From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #5 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, January 6 2006 Volume 06 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article ["Xena Torres" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article > Xena and Gabrielle aren't alone! > "Mini-world called Buffy sends science spinning" Yeah, someone at work told me this a month or two ago. I think they are just proving what geeks they are. LOL! ;) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.bitchofrome.com "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 22:49:06 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction On Wednesday 04 January 2006 18:15, NZJester wrote: > At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: > >Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born > > again" and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have > > given up their drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for > > religion and they become just as obsessive about their religion as their > > former vice. So if the the addiction gene can cause any kind of > > addiction for good or ill then the treatment of addiction becomes not so > > much curing the addiction as substituting a more benign addiction for > > the harmful one. In this case religion may become an addiction but it > > may one that is better for the addictive person (unless of course they > > shoot abortion doctors or blow themselves and others up to get to > > heaven) or in our case becoming deeply involved in lives of fictional > > warrior princesses and their bards. So perhaps we can get a little > > government funding and we can transform ourselves into a twelve step > > program. > > What about registering as a religion > > you could then marry other Xenites > while in a Xena or Gabby costume > (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting married > might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) > > Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items > > Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions > > Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages > > There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed Been done. Scientology. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:05:18 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction On Wednesday 04 January 2006 16:40, you wrote: > From: "Laconia" > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] > > have also heard a theory that people who have that gene (if it exists) are > also more likely to become addicted to something...or someone. It's > interesting to think that all of these things may be related biologically > in some way.> > > Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born > again" and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given > up their drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and > they become just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. > So if the the addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or > ill then the treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the > addiction as substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In > this case religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better > for the addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or > blow themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming > deeply involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. > So perhaps we can get a little government funding and we can transform > ourselves into a twelve step program. > > CherylA Trouble is, they then start trying to run everyone else's lives for them, trying to stop everyone else from being allowed to have a drink (or whatever it was they were addicted to).... so instead of only being a menace to themselves, they've become a menace and a pain to everyone else. Punishing everybody else for their own past deficiencies. They were far less dangerous before they were 'cured'. IMO, of course. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:41:11 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction On Thursday 05 January 2006 15:49, you wrote: > Yes we can become the First Reformed Church of Xena. We can take turns > being ministers. I have relics - Gabby's shoes from Dreamworker and Xena's > costume from season 5. Holy items - chakrams (old one for Orthodox and the > new one for Reformed), staff (Orthodox), sais(Reformed)...oooo...we can > have a schism between those who follow long haired Gabby and those who > worship short haired Gabby. > > CherylA Hmmm??? How about those evil souls who don't follow/worship Gabby at all? Any Gabby? I think your schism's been pre-empted. Anyway, if there's going to be any schism, it should be about the hero. After all, Church's called Xena. cr ... heretic, iconoclast and evil person ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:36:13 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction Hi, cr wrote: > How about those evil souls who don't follow/worship Gabby at all? Any Gabby? > I think your schism's been pre-empted. Heretics all! The only thing to do is to form an Inquisition (*nobody* expects one of those, you know) to root the evildoers out. Burn them at the stake ... or hang them on a cross ... or drag them behind a horse and dump them over a cliff ... or have them nibbled to death by crabs ... or something. I'm Pope, dammit, so that's how it's gonna be. Fiat, Fiat. ;) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:19:15 EST From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction In a message dated 1/5/06 11:48:48 AM, meth@smoe.org writes: >Hi, > >cr wrote: >> How about those evil souls who don't follow/worship Gabby at all? Any >Gabby? > >> I think your schism's been pre-empted. > >Heretics all! The only thing to do is to form an Inquisition (*nobody* >expects one of those, you know) to root the evildoers out. Burn them at >the stake ... or hang them on a cross ... or drag them behind a horse >and dump them over a cliff ... or have them nibbled to death by crabs >... or something. > >I'm Pope, dammit, so that's how it's gonna be. Fiat, Fiat. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a coup... ;-) - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:49:57 -0800 From: "Ernie" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction I joined a twelve-step program once; I tripped and fell on the fourth step, twisted my ankle, and chipped a tooth. It was all quite disastrous . . . Ernie http://www.academyofbards.org/authors/ernie_whiting.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Laconia To: NZJester ; chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction I can see the twelve-step program now: "Hi, I'm [insert your name here], and I'm a Xenaholic." ******* ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: > >>Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born >>again" >>and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given up >>their >>drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and they >>become >>just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if the >>the >>addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the >>treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as >>substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this case >>religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the >>addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow >>themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming deeply >>involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. So >>perhaps >>we can get a little government funding and we can transform ourselves into >>a >>twelve step program. > > > What about registering as a religion > > you could then marry other Xenites > while in a Xena or Gabby costume > (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting > married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) > > Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items > > Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions > > Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages > > There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Catch ya later > NZJester > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:55:14 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction At 09:49 PM 1/4/2006, you wrote: >Yes we can become the First Reformed Church of Xena. We can take turns >being ministers. The Preacher-of-the-Week! 'Warrior Jester' Today's Sermon "Following The Greater Good" All Hail Xena! May the peace of Gabrielle be with you brothers and sisters. Although The Holy Xena and Blessed Gabrielle preferred edged weapons and staffs let me tell you the blessedness of projectile weapons! (Hallelujah! What the Preacher Said! Amen Sisters!) The M60 Machinegun is a blessed thing! (Hallelujah! What the Preacher Said! Amen Sisters!) Not as Sacred as the Holy Chackram................................ > I have relics - Gabby's shoes from Dreamworker Gabby's shoes, the most scared relic Sister Cheryl carries in her pack.......... Ooops slipped into Monty Python Mode. >and Xena's >costume from season 5. Holy items - chakrams (old one for Orthodox and the >new one for Reformed), staff (Orthodox), sais(Reformed)...oooo...we can have >a schism between those who follow long haired Gabby and those who worship >short haired Gabby. Heck if we were in the Middle East, it would be reason enough to blow eath other up >CherylA What The Sister Said!!! Amen!!! Lee Daley leedaley@optonline.net ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:02:33 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction At 11:36 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >cr wrote: >>How about those evil souls who don't follow/worship Gabby at >>all? Any Gabby? >>I think your schism's been pre-empted. > >Heretics all! The only thing to do is to form an Inquisition >(*nobody* expects one of those, you know) to root the evildoers >out. Burn them at the stake ... or hang them on a cross ... or drag >them behind a horse and dump them over a cliff ... or have them >nibbled to death by crabs Been done! >... or something. Tied to four Mini Coopers and torn into four unequal parts? Bludgeoned with a Bluefish! >I'm Pope, dammit, so that's how it's gonna be. Fiat, Fiat. Are you speaking "Ex Barcalounger"? >;) > >-- >=============================================== >Meredith Tarr >New Haven, CT USA >mailto:meth@smoe.org >http://www.smoe.org/meth >=============================================== >hear at the HOMe House Concert Series >http://hom.smoe.org >=============================================== >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= Lee Daley leedaley@optonline.net ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 19:44:55 -0600 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction Omigod, you're right! Xena-free for ANY days? Never! ******* - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark B." To: "chakram-refugees" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > ...but then would you have to say, "I've been Xena-free for 2 days."? > Couldn't go there... I might get hit by lightening! > > > Mark > > > > Laconia wrote: > >> I can see the twelve-step program now: "Hi, >> I'm [insert your name here], and I'm a >> Xenaholic." >> >> ******* >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction >> >> >>> At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: >>> >>>> Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born >>>> again" >>>> and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given up >>>> their >>>> drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and they >>>> become >>>> just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if the >>>> the >>>> addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the >>>> treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as >>>> substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this >>>> case >>>> religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the >>>> addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow >>>> themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming >>>> deeply >>>> involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. So >>>> perhaps >>>> we can get a little government funding and we can transform ourselves >>>> into a >>>> twelve step program. >>> >>> >>> >>> What about registering as a religion >>> >>> you could then marry other Xenites >>> while in a Xena or Gabby costume >>> (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting >>> married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) >>> >>> Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items >>> >>> Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions >>> >>> Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages >>> >>> There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed >>> >>> >>> >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >>> Catch ya later >>> NZJester >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >>> ========================================================= >>> This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >>> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >>> "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >>> Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >>> ========================================================= >> >> ========================================================= >> This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >> "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >> Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >> ========================================================= > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:55:00 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article Very cool. I hadn't heard about this particular one, but I do know there have been other discoveries that are redefining the dimensions of planets, moons and asteroids. Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus all have more moons than previously thought. It's a huge, wondrous universe. bd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of meredith Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:42 PM To: chakram Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article Hi, bookdaft wrote: > I recall that I promised I would post the second top science story from > Discover Magazine. Here it is: > > Astronomy > DISCOVER Vol. 27 No. 01 | January 2006 | Astronomy & Physics > > > > 2 > Planet Xena Rocks The Solar System Xena and Gabrielle aren't alone! Over the holidays this news item slipped under most people's radar: "Mini-world called Buffy sends science spinning" http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/NEWS07/512280370/10 09/NEWS07 If this one turns out to have a moon too, one wonders whether it'll be called Angel or Spike. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:31:23 -0600 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction This is an interesting point to ponder. I'm a big live-and-let-live kind of person, except where other people have to suffer for a person's actions. I don't care if people use drugs. That's okay by me. However, if they steal from others to feed their habit, that makes me angry. I don't care if people have enough money for their drug habit and don't have to steal from others for that. That's okay by me. However, if they wreck their body and run through all their money and end up in public hospitals having their hospital bills and eventual nursing home bills (because they completely screwed up their bodies/minds on the drugs) paid for by public taxes, that makes me angry. I don't care what people do to their bodies, but I do care about their seeking tax money to pay for the consequences. ****** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "cr" To: Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > On Wednesday 04 January 2006 16:40, you wrote: >> From: "Laconia" >> Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] >> >> > have also heard a theory that people who have that gene (if it exists) >> are >> also more likely to become addicted to something...or someone. It's >> interesting to think that all of these things may be related biologically >> in some way.> >> >> Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born >> again" and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have >> given >> up their drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion >> and >> they become just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. >> So if the the addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or >> ill then the treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the >> addiction as substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. >> In >> this case religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better >> for the addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or >> blow themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming >> deeply involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. >> So perhaps we can get a little government funding and we can transform >> ourselves into a twelve step program. >> >> CherylA > > > Trouble is, they then start trying to run everyone else's lives for them, > trying to stop everyone else from being allowed to have a drink (or > whatever > it was they were addicted to).... so instead of only being a menace to > themselves, they've become a menace and a pain to everyone else. > Punishing everybody else for their own past deficiencies. They were far > less > dangerous before they were 'cured'. > > IMO, of course. > > cr > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V6 #5 ************************************