From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V6 #4 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, January 5 2006 Volume 06 : Number 004 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction [NZJester [HJJH ] Re: [chakram-refugees] [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] ["Laconia" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction ["Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: >Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born again" >and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given up their >drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and they become >just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if the the >addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the >treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as >substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this case >religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the >addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow >themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming deeply >involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. So perhaps >we can get a little government funding and we can transform ourselves into a >twelve step program. What about registering as a religion you could then marry other Xenites while in a Xena or Gabby costume (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:55:55 -0600 From: HJJH Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] When richan writes... >>Bowed instuments most closely resemble the human voice. The >>following are examples: the west is represented by the cello, India >>the sarangi, and China the Dalei. >>These instruments have resonating chambers that duplicate the >>throat, nasal cavities, and sinus cavities of humans. The strings >>duplicate the vibration of the human vocal chords. >>I'll have to admit that sometimes human vocal chords are classified >>as a double reed instrument. Still since vocal chords can vary in >>tension like strings I think that they are better classified as >>stringed instuments." ...she appears to be focusing on the sound of the human voice in comparison with other instruments. My focus-- >>>The sound from a string instrument is produced by strings being >>>struck, plucked, or stroked. That of a wind instrument (with or >>>without a reed) comes from the vibration of the column of air >>>within the instrument. - --was more concerned with the physics. For the human voice, no string is struck, plucked, or stroked. The activating force is air. (And rather than "within", I *should* have said "the column of air \passing through/ the instrument", esp. to distinguish wind instruments from drums.) TEXena, still pickypicky ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:37:11 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] In a message dated 1/1/2006 2:43:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 20:58:20 EST, IfeRae@aol.com, wrote: > > >Xena's notion of the "greater good" was not about affection, > >convenience or the "worth" of those in need. > > --Heya, I beg to differ.....;) > > In Legacy in particular, X departs from her usual course of the greater > good by "bending" her rules to save G. In this case, her friendship and > Kantian duty to G is stronger than her sense of what was culturally the > greater good for the tribe whom they were helping. >> Oh, I agree. As I said (I think) later, the Greater Good became her means to the end of saving Gabs. Xena was practical about her GG moments when those she cared about were in jeopardy. I meant Xena's concept in terms of the larger society -- people she may not have known or had any particular fondness for. It was an ideal which she sometimes achieved as a secondary goal. > >In LEGACY, Gabrielle's death might've assuaged her own guilt and > >the need for vengeance. It might've saved the wrongly accused Roman > >soldier. > > --Yup, 2 "greater goods". ;P >> I didn't see the guilt or vengeance aspects as GG. Gabrielle and the tribe would've felt they honored their beliefs, but I don't see the benefits to anyone else. > >It would've done nothing to improve the chances for prevailing against > >the Romans -- a greater good Xena promoted (manipulalted?) for both > >personal and altruistic reasons. > > --No, you're right, but the 2 incidents were not related plot-wise at the > beginning. X made them related by her "solution" to the prob, but > ostensibly they were separate at the start. So they really needed to be > "fixed" separately. > > But here you admit that X had personal reasons for manipulating the Roman > situation, which contradicts what you say about X's notion of the greater > good above. ;P >> LOL! Again, I didn't say Xena always focused initially on her concept of the GG, especially when it jeopardized (as in OAAA) someone she cared about. She knew her reaction to Gabs' blunder wasn't about the GG, nor did I see it as about the GG. That said, she was quite adept at figuring out a way to achieve the best end for both the personal and larger levels when she could. Many people are stuck in either/or problem solving (Gabs vs. the tribe). Xena had great strategic vision in terms of the bigger picture. She did a lot of both/and problem solving. She could've easily ridden off once she'd freed Gabs. Instead, she devised a plan to save Gabs *and* the tribe. I believe one of her greatest strengths was her ability to join ostensibly unrelated or conflicting (contradictory) goals and find a good solution for both. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:38:17 -0600 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] I was thinking yesterday that prior to this discussion, I had never wondered which class of instrument the human voice most resembles. But since I've been reading all of this erudite stuff, I have found myself quite fascinated by the subject. **** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "HJJH" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] > When richan writes... > >>>Bowed instuments most closely resemble the human voice. The >>>following are examples: the west is represented by the cello, India >>>the sarangi, and China the Dalei. > >>>These instruments have resonating chambers that duplicate the >>>throat, nasal cavities, and sinus cavities of humans. The strings >>>duplicate the vibration of the human vocal chords. > >>>I'll have to admit that sometimes human vocal chords are classified >>>as a double reed instrument. Still since vocal chords can vary in >>>tension like strings I think that they are better classified as >>>stringed instuments." > > ...she appears to be focusing on the sound of the human voice in > comparison with other instruments. My focus-- > >>>>The sound from a string instrument is produced by strings being >>>>struck, plucked, or stroked. That of a wind instrument (with or >>>>without a reed) comes from the vibration of the column of air >>>>within the instrument. > > --was more concerned with the physics. For the human voice, no > string is struck, plucked, or stroked. The activating force is air. > (And rather than "within", I *should* have said "the column of air > \passing through/ the instrument", esp. to distinguish wind > instruments from drums.) > > > TEXena, still pickypicky > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:39:28 -0600 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction I can see the twelve-step program now: "Hi, I'm [insert your name here], and I'm a Xenaholic." ******* - ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: > >>Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born >>again" >>and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given up >>their >>drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and they >>become >>just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if the >>the >>addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the >>treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as >>substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this case >>religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the >>addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow >>themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming deeply >>involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. So >>perhaps >>we can get a little government funding and we can transform ourselves into >>a >>twelve step program. > > > What about registering as a religion > > you could then marry other Xenites > while in a Xena or Gabby costume > (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting > married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) > > Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items > > Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions > > Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages > > There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Catch ya later > NZJester > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 19:01:35 -0600 From: "Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction ...but then would you have to say, "I've been Xena-free for 2 days."? Couldn't go there... I might get hit by lightening! Mark Laconia wrote: > I can see the twelve-step program now: "Hi, > I'm [insert your name here], and I'm a > Xenaholic." > > ******* > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 11:15 PM > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > > >> At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: >> >>> Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are >>> "born again" >>> and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given >>> up their >>> drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and >>> they become >>> just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if >>> the the >>> addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the >>> treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as >>> substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this >>> case >>> religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the >>> addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow >>> themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming >>> deeply >>> involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. >>> So perhaps >>> we can get a little government funding and we can transform >>> ourselves into a >>> twelve step program. >> >> >> >> What about registering as a religion >> >> you could then marry other Xenites >> while in a Xena or Gabby costume >> (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting >> married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) >> >> Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items >> >> Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions >> >> Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages >> >> There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed >> >> >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> Catch ya later >> NZJester >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> ========================================================= >> This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >> To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >> "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >> Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >> ========================================================= > > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 20:41:15 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article I recall that I promised I would post the second top science story from Discover Magazine. Here it is: Astronomy DISCOVER Vol. 27 No. 01 | January 2006 | Astronomy & Physics 2 Planet Xena Rocks The Solar System For schoolchildren trying to memorize the names and order of the planets, life just got a bit harder. In July astronomer Mike Brown of Caltech announced the discovery of UB313, a body larger than Pluto, orbiting at about three times Pluto's distance from the sun. By Brown's reckoning, the object qualifies as a 10th planet. Some of his colleagues counter that UB313 is more like an outsize asteroidand many of them want to demote Pluto while they're at it. Either way, the solar system is looking both larger and stranger than we thought. Courtesy Sarah Anderson, W.M. Observatory The Keck II observatory in Hawaii (above) provides the keen vision needed to spot Xena, a possible 10th planet, and Xena's moon, Gabrielle. Keck II's 33-foot-wide mirror is among the largest in the world. The laser beam seen here creates an artificial star used to calibrate an adaptive optics system that cancels out atmospheric blurring. The confusion began in 1992 with the discovery of the Kuiper belt, a long-theorized second zone of asteroids on the edge of the solar system. Many of the objects there seemed similar to Pluto but smaller. Then Brown spotted UB313, which is about 1,700 miles wide, or about one-quarter bigger than Pluto. If Pluto is a planet, then UB313which Brown nicknamed Xenalogically should be as well. By most recent estimates, however, there are probably another two or three objects in the Kuiper belt as large or larger than Pluto, which will further complicate the picture. "Look, I don't care. It's semantics," says Hal Levison, a planetary scientist at Southwest Research Institute's space science department in Colorado. "But if you come up with a strict scientific definition, you either end up with eight planetsPluto would not make itor a lot, like more than 20." Brown favors the eight-planet solution, but he acknowledges that his is not necessarily the most popular view. "The way to make astronomers look stupidest is to declare that Pluto, this thing that's been a planet for 75 years, isn't one," he says. "The bright side is that this is an amazing opportunity to let people see science as a living thing that makes discoveries and changes." Even Xena's name remains in limbo while scientists scramble for a vocabulary to match their findings. Brown's provisional moniker comes from the canceled television show Xena: Warrior Princess, but a formal name has yet to be certified by the International Astronomical Union because of the putative planet's disputed status (Xena also does not fit the union's naming convention). The added discovery in October that Xena has a moon probably ups its chances of gaining recognition as a planet. "The public tends to think that any self-respecting planet should have a moon. It's just cooler," Brown says. Meanwhile, he has nicknamed the moon Gabriellein honor, naturally, of Xena's TV sidekick. Richard Morgan ) 2005 Discover Media LLC ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 22:24:39 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction >What about registering as a religion possible! >you could then marry other Xenites with suitable "regristration" >while in a Xena or Gabby costume >(Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting >married might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) Better than a TUX or 'cocktail dress' or Goddess forbid "Mother-of-the Bride" dress >Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items In NJ it would be "an item of veneration" They got those "bored" teens who wanted to have a "burn Baby Jeasus" party on that. >Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions Possible >Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages again possible >There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed but we'd need to be "organized" . Would our list mom be willing to become a Pope? >WaRRIOR jESTER Lee Daley leedaley@optonline.net ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 21:49:03 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction Yes we can become the First Reformed Church of Xena. We can take turns being ministers. I have relics - Gabby's shoes from Dreamworker and Xena's costume from season 5. Holy items - chakrams (old one for Orthodox and the new one for Reformed), staff (Orthodox), sais(Reformed)...oooo...we can have a schism between those who follow long haired Gabby and those who worship short haired Gabby. CherylA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" To: "Cheryl Ande" Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction > At 10:40 p.m. 3/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: > > >Now I think this is interesting. I have often met people who are "born again" > >and who have had a history of past substance abuse. The have given up their > >drug of choice (alcohol, drugs, gambling or sex) for religion and they become > >just as obsessive about their religion as their former vice. So if the the > >addiction gene can cause any kind of addiction for good or ill then the > >treatment of addiction becomes not so much curing the addiction as > >substituting a more benign addiction for the harmful one. In this case > >religion may become an addiction but it may one that is better for the > >addictive person (unless of course they shoot abortion doctors or blow > >themselves and others up to get to heaven) or in our case becoming deeply > >involved in lives of fictional warrior princesses and their bards. So perhaps > >we can get a little government funding and we can transform ourselves into a > >twelve step program. > > > > > What about registering as a religion > > you could then marry other Xenites > while in a Xena or Gabby costume > (Mind you, you may have to dress as a Amazon queen as those getting married > might want to wear the Xena and Gabby costumes) > > Claim Xena fan items and material as religious items > > Claim going to Xena conventions as religious conventions > > Trips to New Zealand as Religious pilgrimages > > There must be a lot of tax exemptions that could be claimed > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Catch ya later > NZJester > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:47:08 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction At 09:49 p.m. 4/01/2006 -0500, CherylA wrote: >Yes we can become the First Reformed Church of Xena. We can take turns >being ministers. I have relics - Gabby's shoes from Dreamworker and Xena's >costume from season 5. Holy items - chakrams (old one for Orthodox and the >new one for Reformed), staff (Orthodox), sais(Reformed)...oooo...we can have >a schism between those who follow long haired Gabby and those who worship >short haired Gabby. I was thinking that Xena on a cross could be our symbol but then it might get confused with that other religion who had someone on the cross come back from the dead ;-p - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:39:11 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Was Legacy and now addiction Hi, Cheryl Ande wrote: > Yes we can become the First Reformed Church of Xena. We can take turns > being ministers. I have relics - Gabby's shoes from Dreamworker and Xena's > costume from season 5. Holy items - chakrams (old one for Orthodox and the > new one for Reformed), staff (Orthodox), sais(Reformed)...oooo...we can have > a schism between those who follow long haired Gabby and those who worship > short haired Gabby. LOL!! That's priceless. Actually there's already been a schism -- between those who hated FIN and those who didn't. LeeD wondered: > Would our list mom be willing to become a Pope? If it means getting to live in a huge palace surrounded by riches and servants, sure. Not sure I'd be into the whole celibacy thing, but then again that never stopped a whole lot of Popes before (I have a great book called _The Bad Popes_ that should be required reading for all scholars of Vatican history). I've always thought about how much fun it would be to have my own benevolent dictatorship... - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 23:41:32 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Discover Planet Xena Article Hi, bookdaft wrote: > I recall that I promised I would post the second top science story from > Discover Magazine. Here it is: > > Astronomy > DISCOVER Vol. 27 No. 01 | January 2006 | Astronomy & Physics > > > > 2 > Planet Xena Rocks The Solar System Xena and Gabrielle aren't alone! Over the holidays this news item slipped under most people's radar: "Mini-world called Buffy sends science spinning" http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051228/NEWS07/512280370/1009/NEWS07 If this one turns out to have a moon too, one wonders whether it'll be called Angel or Spike. :) - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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