From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #195 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, August 3 2005 Volume 05 : Number 195 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [chakram-refugees] My Local Comcast Switching SciFi Channel in August - A... ["Roach" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] "Looking Death In The Eye" [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Fwd: RE: [Flawless] New Planet to be Named after Xena!! [cr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:35:07 -0700 From: "Roach" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] My Local Comcast Switching SciFi Channel in August - A... For those of you who are losing SCI-Fi, or other stations you watch and DON'T want to spend a bazillion dollars, it might serve you good to look into finding someone who does have them, and can record the said shows you watch. The Reason I mention this, is because for those of you who say watch a total of 10-15 hours of TV total in a months time, the price for digital cable just isn't worth it. you can easily find friends out on the WWW who can record and share with you. Most record the shows cause they're not home at the time, watch the tape, and will give it to you for the cost of shipping. And for any that do need something like this I know of 15-20 different people who do this on a regular basis. I do it for my mother, (who lives in an area that doesn't have access to digital cable, sci-fi, lifetime, hallmark, or TNT, some stations she'd really like to watch) so I record a TON of stuff for her. So if you're in need, let me know, I'd be more than happy to hook you up with a "Record it for ya buddy". Most will trade you for Tapes, DVD's, and shipping. Later Roach www.roachsrealm.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org] On Behalf Of IfeRae@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:03 PM To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] My Local Comcast Switching SciFi Channel in August - A... In a message dated 7/27/2005 6:56:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, d_t_miller@yahoo.com writes: > Starting in August, my local (Chicago suburbs) Comcast > cable is switching ScFi from basic cable to digital > cable in August. Thanks for the heads up. I hate, hate, hate Comcast, but they've got a virtual monopoly on certain areas. They're trying to hoodwink me into a million digital stations I'll never watch, but I'm fighting tooth and nail. I'll make sure to check about SciFi. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 06:33:39 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] amazon succession On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:01, HJJH wrote: > cr declared-- > > >if we include all known Amazons,[...] Amarice was one > >(she truly was, I tell you!) > > A wannabe, yes, but f'r RRREAL?... How do you figure \that/. > > TEXena Firstly, in Endgame, Ides and Fallen Angel, she acquitted herself in a way that any Amazon tribe would be proud to recognise in one of their warriors. And nobody in those eps ever called her Amazon status into question. She *earned* the title of Amazon. It wasn't until Them Bones that someone decided, purely as a plot device I think, to question Amarice's legal status and give Gabby something useful to do in the second half of the ep. But if you're going to raise that, Gabby settled the issue by making Amarice an Amazon. So however you rate it, yes she was. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:40:11 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Looking Death In The Eye" On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:42, Cheryl Ande wrote: > I just finishing watching LDITE and I have always been bothered by one > point. Celesta is always getting reamed out by Athena about not showing up > the take Xena off to dead land. So it is obviously imperative that Celesta > show up to signal a mortal's death. All right now at the end of the > episode the gods all assume Xena, Gabrielle, and Eve are all dead but > Celesta is now where to be seen. Now shouldn't this tip Athena off that > something isn't quite right? Shouldn't one of the gods looked around and > said "Hey where's Celesta?" Ooooh, good point! Okay, did Celesta have to be personally present at the scene of a death? In Death in Chains, it did seem that Death had to touch people for them to die. I guess the about-to-die just had to wait until Celesta got t them - she must (as Hades said about himself) have been very busy on occasion. But other than Death in Chains and LDITE, we've never actually seen Celesta present when someone died. Of course, gods are usually only visible to mortals they are interacting with, i.e. in Celesta's case, those about to die; or, if they choose to make themselves visible. Could it be that Celesta usually stays invisible, even to the other gods; and therefore the gods watching from the cliff were confident enough that Xena and Gabs were dead, that they didn't bother watching for Celesta? After all, they didn't wait long enough to see Ares' appearance. Not very satisfactory, but it's the best I can do... > As for Celesta, doesn't she seem remarkable unperturbed that she has been > held hostage and threatened with death. It appeared to me that Celesta had > an inkling that Xena was about to pull a fast one and seemed content to let > Xena play her game. Maybe it's just in Celesta's nature to be unexcitable. > Also watched the deleted scenes from Motherhood. Atremis did have speaking > role in the episode that was cut out. Yes, I would have liked to see those extra scenes on Olympus. (Though contrary to popular belief, Artemis still had a speaking line in the screened episode - "So what exactly is the plan?". Not exactly the most inspiring speech, of course.... ) IIRC the Furies had a couple more lines, too. They could have cut out the bits with Eve and Virgil to make time.... (as far as I'm concerned, not being a Virgil fan :) > Also it looked to be that when > Gabrielle was stabbing the heck out of Eve, she appeared to be in shadow so > that Xena could have not recognized her. What I thought was very impressive was LL, RoC and Adrienne's timing on the 'chakattack' shot - they all had to react at exactly the right moment for the CGI to work. Well done. > Also it was interesting to see > how much of Motherhood got worked into Coming Home. I do think Xena's > good-by to the mortal Ares worked better in CH since it deserved more of a > set up. Agreed. > I am also glad we got to seem more of the Furies in CH they > deserved more air time - Alecto and her posse were a hoot and a half. > > CherylA Well, the extended fight sequence in the inn, where Xena killed the Furies, was good. But then, the Furies' part in Coming Home was good too, and great fun - gotta love those over-the-top cool cats. So on balance, I'm happy with the way things ended up, with the Furies' death in CH rather than Motherhood. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:03:56 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: RE: [Flawless] New Planet to be Named after Xena!! Cross-posted with permission (in case it hasn't been posted here yet...) > Planet or Not, Pluto Now Has Far-Out Rival > By KENNETH CHANG and DENNIS OVERBYE > NY Times > Published: July 30, 2005 > > Add a tenth planet to the solar system - or possibly subtract one. > Astronomers announced yesterday that they had found a lump of rock > and ice that was larger than Pluto and the farthest known object in > the solar system. The discovery will probably rekindle debate over > the definition of "planet" and whether Pluto still merits the > designation. > > The new object - as yet unnamed, but temporarily known as 2003 UB313 - > is now 9 billion miles away from the Sun, or 97 times as far away as > Earth and about three times Pluto's current distance from the Sun. > Its 560-year elliptical orbit brings it as close as 3.3 billion > miles. Pluto's orbit ranges from 2.7 billion miles to 4.6 billion. > The astronomers do not have an exact size for the new planet, but its > brightness and distance tell them that it is larger than Pluto, the > smallest of the nine known planets. > > "It is guaranteed bigger than Pluto," said Michael E. Brown, a > professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of > Technology and a member of the team that made the discovery. "Even if > it were 100 percent reflective, it would be larger than Pluto. It > can't be more than 100 percent reflective." > > The discovery was made Jan. 8 at Palomar Observatory in California. > Dr. Brown and the other members of the team - Chadwick A. Trujillo of > the Gemini Observatory in Hawaii and David L. Rabinowitz of Yale > University - then found that they had, unknowingly, taken images of > the planet, using the observatory's 48-inch telescope, as far back as > 2003. > > Last year, the same team announced the discovery of a distant body > they named Sedna, which, until the latest discovery, had held the > title of farthest known object in the solar system. But Sedna, > smaller than Pluto, is on a far stranger, 10,500-year orbit that > takes it as far out as 84 billion miles. > > Dr. Brown said they had a name they have proposed for the planet, but > did not want to disclose it until it had been formally approved by > the International Astronomical Union. "We have a name we really like, > and we want it to stick," he said. Informally, the astronomers have > been calling it Xena after the television series about a Greek > warrior princess, which was popular when the astronomers began their > systematic sweep of the sky in 2000. "Because we always wanted to > name something Xena," Dr. Brown said. > > The astronomers were not able to see 2003 UB313 using NASA's Spitzer > Space Telescope, looking for infrared heat emitted by its minus-405 > degree surface. That means the planet is less than 1,800 miles in > diameter. > > What is most surprising is that the orbit of the planet is sharply > skewed to most of the rest of the solar system. The orbits of most > planets lie close to the same plane as Earth's, known as the ecliptic > plane. The orbit of 2003 UB313 is tilted by 44 degrees. > > "That blows my mind," said Harold Levison of the Southwest Research > Institute in Boulder, Colo., who was not involved in the > discovery. "Getting something up that high is very hard." > The object is also the third brightest in the Kuiper Belt, a ring of > icy bodies that circles beyond Neptune. The new planet could have > been easily discovered much sooner if anyone had looked at that part > of the sky. > > "It's because no one looks that far off the ecliptic," Dr. Brown > said. "No one expects to have an inclination that high." > Another group of astronomers led by Josi-Luis Ortiz at the Sierra > Nevada Observatory in Spain announced Thursday that they had found a > large Kuiper Belt object, designated 2003 EL61, that they thought > could be Pluto-size or larger. Dr. Brown's group had been observing > the same body, but had not announced it, and their observations had > already pinpointed a moon circling 2003 EL61, which constrained the > size of the body to 30 percent the mass of Pluto and about 70 percent > the diameter. > > On his Web site, Dr. Brown wrote that the Spanish group deserved > credit, saying his group had gambled that no one else would find the > planet. "We were wrong!" he said. Dr. Brown had still hoped to hold > back announcements of 2003 UB313 and another large Kuiper Belt > object, 2005 FY9, until October, but his hand was tipped by Brian G. > Marsden, director of the International Astronomical Union's Minor > Planet Center in Cambridge, Mass., who urged him to make the > announcement as soon as possible. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:13:08 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Amarice the Amazon > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:01:28 -0500 > From: HJJH > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] amazon succession > > cr declared-- > > >if we include all known Amazons,[...] Amarice was one > >(she truly was, I tell you!) > > A wannabe, yes, but f'r RRREAL?... How do you figure \that/. > > > TEXena Honestly I don't why Amarice wasn't an Amazon. She was a good warrior, she was willing to live by the Amazon code, and she was a loyal member of Ephiny's tribe. I don't know why the Chia pet in the cave was so snotty about her. Which brings up the question of exactly how does one become an Amazon - I thought it was like joining the army - you showed up, asked to enlist, went through basic training, and when you passed, everyone got drunk and the new Amazon got a tattoo or a big scar. Obviously Amarice lied about belonging to another tribe but she certainly proved her qualifications to be an Amazon. Also at the end of Them Bones, Gabrielle made her an official Amazon so Amarice was an Amazon afterall. On of the disappointing things about Amarice's character is that we didn't learn more about her. I thought I once heard a rumor that she was going to turn out to be Callisto's kid sister. Remember at the end of Fallen Angel there was no reunion with the sister for Callisto, so perhaps she wasn't dead. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:42:35 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Amarice the Amazon I liked Amarice but she, like Zeina, was too individualistic to be an Amazon. She was unreliable, disrespectful and cocky. Ephiny presumably saw Ephiny as redeemable, but she didn't know that Amarice was also a liar. Amazons have lots of rules and Amarice wasn't interested in following them. It was only after she had matured considerably that Gabrielle was prepared to consider Ephiny an Amazon. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:13:16 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Planet Xena Xena will not be the formal name of the object, and it may not be recognized as a planet, but the story shows that some intelligent people like Xena. Of course some smart people liked Star Trek, so that doesn't prove much. We should remember that a moon of one of the outer planets is actually called Callisto, so theoretically Xena and Callisto could glare at each other across the solar system forever. Boeotian P.S. In my previous post, I carefully proofread, spelled "individualistic" correctly -- and then misspelled Xena. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 20:32:18 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Planet Xena Hi, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > Of course some smart people liked Star Trek, > so that doesn't prove much. Hey!!!! I like Star Trek! (Well, up to and including DS9... never got into Voyager and didn't watch a frame past the first ten minute of the pilot of Enterprise.) I'm rooting for Xena being the formal name of the planet... that would be hysterical. - -- =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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