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chakram-refugees-digest    Wednesday, July 6 2005    Volume 05 : Number 171



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [chakram-refugees] XWP Bard Published                      [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] Mouth To Mouth on XWP               [IfeRae@aol.com]
  Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP Bard Published  ["Xena Torres" <xenatorres@bitc]

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 02:29:27 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: [chakram-refugees] XWP Bard Published

XenaTorres recently mentioned bumping into Judith Parker (aka Wishes, the 
venerable XWP fiction/poetry writer) in Seattle.  Well, Wishes' sci-fi novel 
"Counterfeit World" is now available online from Starcrossed Productions 
(http://www.scp-inc.biz/).  It's also available to bookstores in the U.S. through 
Ingram.

- -- Ife
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 02:29:27 EDT
From: IfeRae@aol.com
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Mouth To Mouth on XWP

In a message dated 7/4/2005 2:11:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz 
writes:

> >I know a lot of folks (including perhaps TPTB) thought Fishsticks too much
> >of an aberration from "normal" XWP.  I beg to differ.  We had Gabs rising
> >out of the water with a knife between her teeth.  The ep even presaged the
> >Norse trilogy, where amnesiac Xena has flashes of her real life during the
> >marriage ceremony.  Certainly we had typical Gabs, who chose hanging around
> >questionable individuals (her "children" in this case), rather than running
> >away like heck when she had the chance.
> 
> Sorry to disagree.   (Well, not really, you'd be disappointed if I didn't, 
> wouldn't ya? :)
> 
> It was a total aberration.   The tone was completely wrong.   It just had 
> nothing whatever to do with XWP.  >>

<sigh>  I wasn't really campaigning for Fishy as "true" XWP (whatever that 
is), so much as noting a few Xenaisms (e.g., the mouth-to-mouth).  There were 
certainly other eps that were just an excuse to do something different -- the 
musicals (which I liked) being the most obvious.  My least favorite of all is 
Lifeblood, as the Amazon High scenes and "main story" had even less to do with 
XWP (despite the Amazons) than Fishy, which at least dealt with Gabs working 
out her issues about kids, as well as incorporated several XWP regular 
characters. Lifeblood was purely a vehicle for using footage from a completely 
different show, as opposed to creating something for  XWP.

> By that I mean, there is just no explanation for how Gabs would or could 
> (or 
> why she should) experience 'flashforwards' to some seventies-style TV 
> sitcom. >>

Heh, same as the "just take our word for it" method by which Xena somehow got 
transported to the 20th century in The Xena Scrolls.  It's all fantasy, 
remember?

>  
> Every other anachronistic ep had some rationale.   The 'modern' eps (Xena 
> Scrolls, Deja Vu, Clones, Soul Possession) were entirely logical in there 
> setting. >>

Bwahahaha!  Sure, if we're willing to believe in spells, reincarnation with 
intact memories, magic chakrams/scrolls, etc.  So Gabs had the imagination of a 
science-fiction writer.  Why not?  <g>

  You Are There was, aside from the plot device of Nigel the > 
> reporter, quite in keeping with the general ambience of the series, so the 
> anachronism of Nigel and his cameras was acceptable (IMO). >.

Um, can you 'splain how Nigel and his camera crew was any more "logical" than 
Gabs' mermaid fantasy of refrigerators, water beds, etc.?

> 
> But Fishsticks just had no reason to exist.   And as for those embarrassing 
> deformed mutants - since when were genetic abnormalities funny?   Excuse me 
> a 
> moment while I go and laugh at a cripple..... >.

I don't think that was the point, so much as Gabs getting rid of her fear 
(admittedly overblown) of children, learning to love and accept them despite 
their flaws.  To me, they were simply manifestations of childish characteristics 
- -- pranks, rebelliousness, getting underfoot -- not "literal" children. They 
weren't portrayed as any more laughable (and were ridiculed much less) than 
nearly all the other principles in the ep.

Again, it's perfectly understandable why some folks may not like Fishy, but 
"logic" is something we seem to see quite easily in other aspects we're okay 
with but don't make "sense."  Portraying something weird was a normal part of 
XWP for me.  Incorporating several scenes from another show was the true 
aberration.  Fishy was more "organic" to XWP in terms of how the characters were 
used.  Lifeblood grafted bits of XWP on to somebody else's show that happened to 
have XWP producers and actors.  I watched it the other day and cringed every 
time Xena thrust that magaical dagger toward the ceiling.  Talk about a waste of 
screen time and as much "logic" as the Hind's Blood dagger.  

- -- Ife
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Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:04:24 -0500
From: "Xena Torres" <xenatorres@bitchofrome.com>
Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] XWP Bard Published

> XenaTorres recently mentioned bumping into Judith Parker (aka Wishes, the venerable XWP fiction/poetry writer) in Seattle.  

Parker? That's not the name she told me was on the novel! ;) Thanks for the update Ife. I wanted to get this. 

BATTLE ON XENA!

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