From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #165 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, June 30 2005 Volume 05 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Hero-Defining Opponents (was Re: Return of Callisto) [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Bruce Campbell book signing appearance ["Xena Torr] Re: [chakram-refugees] OT Bruce Campbel film on IFC ["Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Hero-Defining Opponents (was Re: Return of Callisto) On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:49, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/26/2005 1:13:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > >They seem to give her something more to play > > >off of, which I think she really appreciated about Hudson. You could > > > see sparks even when nothing was being said. Also, each one of those > > > brought out a different aspect of Xena's conflicted heroism, especially > > > in reminding her of her past. With weaker characters, like Cortes, she > > > could be straight out Xena, with few of the psychological tweaks we'd > > > get with, say, Ares or Cally. I think TPTB did a great job with some > > > of the casting as well as the writing, in that regard. > > > > Oh yes. And you could certainly add Alti/Claire to that list. Though > > my > > favourite mental image is of Alti impaled on the tree and Xena gently > > drifts > > up alongside her and says softly "Now you know your future" (beautiful > > restrained delivery from LL on that line, by the way). >> > > I started to add Alti/Claire and left her off for reasons that had nothing > to do with the actor or the character. I really liked both. The thing > about that match-up for me was less of the psychological tension I felt > with some of the other strong characters. Yes, Alti reminded Xena of her > naughty past, but I don't think Alti represented the same conflicted > connection with Xena, even tho Xena had contributed to Alti's spiritual > powers. Well, I guess it just strikes me differently. Admittedly, Alti+Xena didn't have quite the same psychological link as I felt with Callisto+Xena, but more than anyone else (Najara, Caesar, Lao Ma etc). Oh, except possibly Ares+Xena. That's just how it struck me. As for conflicted connections - Alti had a major, major influence in creating EvilXena. She certainly appealed to the dark side of Xena's personality. (snippage) > I agree that Alti was a wonderful addition as a nemesis for Xena. The > battles between them equaled or surpassed those with other characters I've > mentioned. However, purely in the sense of the hero's growth or motivation, > Alti was a "no brainer." She required heroic action, but not much in the > way of depth, nuance, complexity, conflictedness, etc. in terms of the > hero's emotinal/psychological response to her. I quite disagree. Look at the part (as I said) that Alti played in Xena's past. There was plenty of psychological stuff going on there, from my view. I just found Alti way more interesting than Lao Ma, for example, or Caesar. In fact I found Caesar similar to your description of Alti - just an unpleasant fly waiting to be squashed. That's just the way it strikes me. > > Not that this is Xena-related, it's Herc-related, but I was just having a > > discussion on some list about Gina Torres' role in the Joss Whedon movie > > 'Serenity' (which is the movie sequel to the short-lived 'Firefly' > > series). > > > > And, having seen Gina as Nebula on Herc, as Hel on Cleo 2525, as Zoe in > > Firefly, and briefly guesting as a villain on Alias, I have to say that > > Nebula was by far the best role she had (IMO). > > I don't doubt it. Despite all I said above about Alti, I thought she was a > great vehicle for Claire and deserves an esteemed place among the pantheon > of hero's opponents. I believe XWP created a new standard for such > judgements. If I'm picky, it's within that context and because we got such > a layered view of the hero and heroism. > > -- Ife Well, yes, there were some excellent secondary roles in the series. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 00:36:17 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Con 05 Meeting Lucy Ah, she's finally over her hangover. HUGE SMILE With snippiage: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > From: KTL > > > > The easily amused Ms. Cheryl Ande was also instrumental in me having a > > picture taken with Lucy. (Though neither I nor Cheryl can remember exactly > > who took the picture.) > > Actually I thought she was your friend My friend! I thought she was yours! Actually, since going public with this story, I now know who took the picture. And you're right--it is a con friend of mine. A relatively new one. and she took it with a cell phone A cell phone? Do they flash? Oh man, I bet LOTS of people were taking pictures of the whole unbelievable scene. We'll probably all wind up on ET some night, as an example of "Fans Gone Wild". With swarmy male voiceovers excitedly hooting about "Lesbian icon Lucy Lawless watching in amazement as frenzied girl fans tear at each other's blouses." Thanks, Cheryl. but > I am obviously. But I have to say between the wine and the Lucy haze thing > are still a bit hazy. Obviously still somewhat speechless eh? > > This is actually the best part of the cons (except the Lucy and Renee > parts). You meet new people whom you never would have gotten to know. It > broadens one's horizons and I look forward to meeting up with these people > again. For example I have become an honory auntie to the baby with two > mommies, since I have no siblings I am quite proud of my designation even if > I never meet the two mommies again. Weren't they little sweethearts? All three of them. Do THEY know you're an honorary auntie? Or is this something you declared? (smirk) > > > > > Cheryl had told her friend Ed that she was pretty shy and that he would > > probably have to encourage her to go up to Lucy. She wanted to be sure she > > got a picture with her. > > I am shy, really. > > Tell it to the bats. snip snip > >HEY! DID YOU GET YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH LUCY? I DID!" Snip snip > > "WHAT!? NO, NO, YOU *HAVE* TO HAVE YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH LUCY. YOU *LOVE* LUCY!!!!" Snip snip > > "NO, NO, I INSIST. YOU GO GET YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH LUCY. *RIGHT NOW*!" > Now let let me explain two things. I grew next to the railroad tracks and > raised by a mother whose father operated a jackhammer and therefore I have > tendency to be loud which is enhanced by imbidding in alcohol. Now despite > the impression given by KT, I am not a souse, but the wine was free and it > would have been impolite to turn it down and my mother raised me to have > good manners. You know, I THOUGHT that might be it. Though a jackhammer was not part of my thinking. Uh-huh. Really. KT rolls eyes. snip snip > > Suddenly she appeared at my side again and took my arm again and hauled me > > to my feet again, saying, "YOU HAVE TO GET A PICTURE TAKEN WITH LUCY!" > > Now lets face it KT wanted a picture with Lucy - everyone wants picture with > Lucy. I wasn't going to let this golden opportunity pass her by - damnit. Isn't it sweet how we fans look out for each other. No matter how much recipient fans may object to it. > > > again I snuck away. I was sitting at the table talking to a friend when I > > suddenly heard a roar from the center of the crowd, "HEY! WHERE'D SHE GO!" > > She is a sneaky little thing but I tracked her down. I swear, she's worse than Gabrielle stalking after Xena. > > Man, that grrl was good--she maneuvered us right up to > > Lucy's back. And then tapped her on the shoulder. And kept tapping her on > > the shoulder as she finished signing something. Finally, Lucy turned her > > head towards us. Cheryl held out her handful of my blouse and ordered Lucy > > to: "Here-hold this." And Cheryl backed away from us and put her camera up > > to her face. > > Humm, I did think Lucy was just a bit stunned by my imperious order (by > golly that was good wine). > > Well, I know I was. *sigh* > > > > Cheryl was too far gone to take the picture. She fumbled with the camera. > > And nothing happened. She began to loudly exclaim things like, "WHAT THE > > HECK. . . WHY ISN'T THIS WORKING? DID YOU HEAR A CLICK? WHERE'S THAT > > BUTTON?" > > This has to be the most embarrassing moment of my life. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! I have not only > hauled my friend around by her shirt tails and delivered her to Lucy Lawless > like naughty kitten, I then failed in my mission to get the picture (bad > wine). I suspect it was one of those moments when life slows down so that you can savor every endless nanosecond. For all three of us. I was however very pleased that some one got the picture. I hope > that KT got a copy if not I have it now GASP! and it will be in my scrape book > soon. > Cheryl, I LOVE your inadvertent typos. Can you just imagine a record of all the scrapes this impetuous woman has gotten into? And now sadly, I am part of one of them. Me and numerous (scraped off the wall) bats. > > You know, I wasn't sure how I would react to meeting Lucy. Snip > > if I would be stupid or > > silly or babbling or speechless or whatever. While I was very glad to see > > her and happy to shake her hand and say hello, it didn't turn me into a > > drooling fool. So now I know. > > As far as I know I didn't drool and obviously I wasn't speechless. Obviously indeed. It was > however wonderful to meet her and to see for myself what a patient and kind > person Lucy is. She was grace personified. Absolutely. Due to "repeat business", the poor woman stayed almost an hour longer than had been planned. But she never, ever got impatient, never stopped smiling and goofing and never acted anything less than delighted to be there. (Unless she had a screaming fit while I was circling the promenade.) What a sweetheart! I will always rememeber the > last words she said to me: she said "I'm going home and eat pie." Beneath > all the glamour and fame is a nice woman who likes pie and I'm proud to be > her fan. I just wish that damn camera would have worked (mumble, grumble, > curse). BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! The camera was working fine. YOU weren't. Maybe next year you should bring a point and shoot, not a digital. And I will wear a breastplate to protect me from belly blouse material molesters. KT > > > CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:26:23 -0500 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Bruce Campbell book signing appearance >Narnia? Is this something a middle-aged person living in the 21st Century should know about? (Gods, I hope it's not a rock >group. Do they have "rock" groups anymore? ) Oh my god. I am really SCARED that so many people do not know about this. The Chronicles of Narnia is a seven book fantasy series written by CS. Lewis. I am sure I will get the date wrong, but I believe they were written in the 50s. Most people tend to read them around grade 6 or 7 (I read them in grade 5 myself). They are just WONDERFULLY magical books with great characters and stories and everyone should read this series. Of the 7 books, three I believe (it's been a LONG time) were made into a television series by a British station back in the 80s. Great for kids, but adults will shudder. ;) Only now, FINALLY is the series being brought to life for the big screen. "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" was the first book written in the series (though it actually comes second after "The Magician's Nephew" if you want to go chronologically). It's the most well known title of the series. If you haven't heard of it, I now consider you an under the rock dweller! For more info on the movies go to the official site at: http://www.narnia.com and check out the trailer. >Hmmm, apparently I am indeed behind in my education. At least I've figured Narnia's probably not a rock group. Most certainly not! ;) >I'm happy for you. Especially the "free" part. No doubt your budget was stretched by the new camera and $75 nosebleed seets for >GPB. LOL! Oh, VERY! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome http://www.bitchofrome.com - COMING 07/15/05 "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:30:59 -0500 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT Bruce Campbel film on IFC > Hey, that's great to hear! > > I definitely recall hearing that something bad had happened to Jeremy, and > I'm fairly sure that it was that he had 'died'. Now maybe it was 'heart > attack' and somebody (me or whoever relayed the news) had assumed it was > fatal. > > But anyway, I'm so glad he's still around. Oh my. I know, because it was posted on his site when he had the heart attack and that was before the current stuff he's done. >>I could be wrong, but wasn't it Xerxes? ;) >I'm fairly sure it was pronounced Xerxos.... since he got star billing, of course, there is no cast list entry to check it >against. Hmmmmm. I'm sure it was Xerxes. I'll have to check out the closed captioning when I get the DVDs for the Herc transcripts I intend to one day do. Must buy the DVDs first though - will make it so much easier. ;) > Anyway, there are certain actors - what could we call them, 'journeyman > actors' ? - who will probably never make star billing but who are always > competent and good to see on screen. Jeremy Roberts is definitely one. > Maybe Bruce Campbell too. Yeah. Too bad. I actually just caught him last night by accident in "The People Under the Stairs." Only got the last scene before his dead body was found though, but he was good, as always. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome http://www.bitchofrome.com - COMING 07/15/05 "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:32:17 -0500 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Review FINALLY replying. Sorry. >> I will be touching up the review site to have direct 'skip' links > Oh, my. I hope I wasn't the cause of that. Sounds like a lot of work. Nah. It's REALLY easy and I do it with any long page, because not everyone wants to see everything, or you may come back and read some one day and some another. ;) > but I see nothing wrong with folks having to go through parts > they might not be as interested in. We're lucky to get what we > do. > Yeah, yeah, I may not sound like that, but I do appreciate all your work. ROTFLMAO! > I don't go to cons. If I did, it'd be real simple. I'd skip > anything that didn't have "Lucy Lawless" in it. Oh, I see. Well, if I manage to spot her when she's town for BSG, I'll be sure to post more info and pictures. I did locate the sound stage. Now I just need to know WHEN >>> Renie >> Oops! I thought I caught all the spelling issues. Got to fix that! EEP! >. > Oy, you care about that? To spell Renee wrong is BAD! BUT, in my defence, I DIDN'T. I actually spelled it RIGHT with the little French marky thing on top, but that converted to an "i" in the email. It's correct on the site. So, Renee fans, please don't kill me. ;) > Oh, there's one of the errors. I think you meant "ideal" instead of "idle." Thanks! > LOL!!!! I didnt' realize that was wrong. I truly thought she > was being funny, using a pseudonym. The "Intaglio" sounded > pretty >cool. Wasn't sure what "Jufy" was about. Intaglio is her real last name. I had her spell it for me so I can find the book. Jufy was my typo. ;) > No, no. I said I wanted to see it, so I read the whole thing. > You're a computer geek, I'm an info geek. But, it wasn't info about Lucy. HA HA HA! Well, clearly *I'M* an info geek with a review THAT long. HA HA HA! > So it was "first come, first served"? The earlier purchasers got > the better seats? I think there was evil at work, because, no, the seats we were in we should NOT have paid $75 for. Grrrrrr. > Okay, in those close-ups of Xena's right hand, how could you tell > if it was Lucy's or not? :S I don't think I get your question. Close up hand shots are all 2nd unit. You don't use the actress for that. And, how would you know it was Lucy, as you don't see anything. Is this a relative question - ie: something you have noticed about her hand/s or something obvious like the little scar on her chest? Which hand? Palm, top? More info! ;) lol Well, do you know Lucky's breed? I've been asked about Lucy's dogs and their names and breeds (to which I had to reply that Lucy didn't have one, but Rob did and Daisy does and provided the requested info). > But you can tell from the simplest moves whether someone has a > good sense of rhythm. Sure, but that's not the same as DANCING. ;) Like, Adrienne Wilkinson is a DANCER, but never got to dance on the show. And she WAS in a band, but never got to sing. I would have loved to have see Eve in a musical ep! HA! > Oy, I think I saw another of those too. Wish I'd known you were > trying to be consistent about that. Kinda. ;) >> She's not the only character in the play. :P >> > Obviously somebody goofed. Oh, I agree completely! > Yeah, right. Like it'll matter. Besides, there are actually > folks who'll read it and want to know that this wasn't a > one-woman >show. Heh. What crazy people are those? > Maybe I should've written the damn play. Dorothy would've had > more lines and more "action." Mwhahahaha! > Ah, so young. If only you'd grown up when people used metaphors > and analogies for certain personal aspects and processes. What, like my generation DOESN'T do that? lol > Hard to know what people know anymore. Although I am pleasantly > surprised sometimes. She said, "Oh, yes, I'm interested in > >historical subjects." HISTORICAL?!!! Jeez. ROTFLMAO! *SMACK!* Historical is like, sword time, lady. I would have had to have smacked her upside the head. ;) > How come? They're "arty," right? It's not like she's hiding all that. HA HA HA! You want the SHOULDER shots, Ife? I mean, LITERALLY JUST her shoulder. Many, many, many heads of Xenites and a ringlet of Lucy's hair. *I* kept them, but I was there and I am a freak. LOL! I just can't bring myself to delete ANYTHING Lucy. ;) >> I was 14 when "Xena" started back in 1995 > Wow, I can't imagine what it must've been like having Xena at > that age. It shocks me that the show had such an impact on me at > >*my* age. Totally understand that. Yeah, when I say "Xena changed my life" I'm not kidding. It was a HUGE part of my teenage years. "Xena" taught me to be understanding and accepting of our differences - to embrace that. Honestly, before "Xena" my only knowledge of homosexuals was what one learns at school - and that's not a pretty place to learn things. Negative, negative, negative. It took meeting people and not knowing and then to find out and be like, "Oh, wait, they are normal people" for me to clue in. That's because of "Xena" and surfing "Xena" chat rooms. Now, I'll defend my gay friends quite fiercely and their lifestyle. I mean, don't get me started! LOL! > I remember that you were young, but frankly, this cyber > communication erased age barriers for me. I do so love that. Isn't it great? Judged only on the mind. Nice. Course, people always think I am way older in person than I am in person too, so, ya know. ;) > LOL! I hope you get as many deaths as Xena. Hee hee hee >>SURE IS! More stuff from Sharon AND Sat and Sun night in that same alley. ;) > I trust you wore jeans those nights too? Bwhahahaha! I would never wear anything put, so all good. ;) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Bitch of Rome http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome http://www.bitchofrome.com - COMING 07/15/05 "Time to put you out of my misery." - Livia "Eve" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:53:26 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Con 05 Meeting Lucy > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:50:05 EDT > From: IfeRae@aol.com > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Con 05 Meeting Lucy > > In a message dated 6/25/2005 10:07:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > candex@verizon.net writes: > > > Actually I thought she was your friend and she took it with a cell phone > > but > > I am obviously. But I have to say between the wine and the Lucy haze thing > > are still a bit hazy. >. > > In which case, I'm not sure you can accurately say, "I am obviously." > Bwahahahaha! Now if anyone knows about my habit of losing words it's you so don't act surprised (humph) > > > > I am shy, really.>> > > Except in public? Except when drinking. > > > > Too late. Between the bats and KT's report, your reputation is > forever sealed. Why should serial bat killing and embarrassing myself in public have any affect on my reputation? > > > Nah, we're proud of ya. Dragging KT was an accomplishment in and of itself. > Anybody can snap a photo. Um, well, almost anybody. But, like KT, you're > not just anybody. How's that for "spin"? > > I say KT wanted to be drag - she was practically begging to be dragged. Do you honestly believe KT could be dragged anywhere she didn't want to be dragged? > > > > It was> > > however wonderful to meet her and to see for myself what a patient and kind > > person Lucy is. She was grace personified. I will always rememeber the > > last words she said to me: she said "I'm going home and eat pie." >> > > No offense, but do you have a corroborating witness to her last words to you? > Being semi-deaf from the jackhammer trauma of you childhood, you might've > misheard. I'm sure she said pie. I was proud that the girl just wanted pie like the down to earth person she is. I also assumed Rob made the pie she would devour. > > > > > Did you ever figure out the problem? Was it you? Yessss it was me (sigh). > > - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V5 #165 **************************************