From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #158 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, June 23 2005 Volume 05 : Number 158 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 2... [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Review [IfeRae@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:08:58 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 2... In a message dated 6/20/2005 12:39:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > It seemed to me - prompted by the occasional appearance of a Fate in the > alternate reality to taunt Xena - that, rather than just letting things > happen in the alternate reality, the Fates may have been deliberately > steering it in a particular direction. And if so, then they may have been > deliberately making the alternate reality intolerable for Xena, as I said. > > > Ah. I chaulked that up to dramatic purposes -- reminding the audience of the deal with Xena and the times when, in the "other" world, she might've handled things differently. On one hand, they seemed to truly feel they owed her a second chance. On the other, I do think they wanted her to appreciate the positive aspects of a path where she focused on the negatives. I would agree that they seemed a bit biased toward her accepting who she had become. I just don't think they interfered in any way to make the "new" path any better or worse than it might've been. > >seeing how all that was so much more intolerable than what Xena may have > >faced before. It's her own need to do something about it that, once again, > >puts her in position to kill. > > Maybe not more intolerable - except that Xena didn't tolerate it the first > time round, either. What would have been intolerable for Xena was doing > nothing about it. >> Exactly. Also Xena's choice. > And, don't you get the impression that if Xena had resisted killing on > this > occasion, the Fates would just have found a way to turn the heat up further? > >> No. The key for Xena seemed to be Lyceus. Remember, it was her ritual honoring of his death that set things in motion. Of all the tragedies caused by her actions, it seemed she felt most guilty and anguished about his death. What she seems to have forgotten was Lyceus' own desire to fight and his encouragement of her to do so. He basically says he'd rather die defending the village, than live under those circumstances. His telling Xena to accept her responsibility (destiny) to use her talents to fight people like the warlords is what finally persuades her that she can't use Lyceus as the reason for why she shouldn't have become who she did. The Fates gave Xena the chance to see Lyceus as the self-determined hero he was, rather than an accidental victim of her own choices. She could angst all she wanted over becoming a warrior, but at least the Fates helped her ease her conscience about that leading to her brother's death. I don't think they wanted to force her into spilling blood, so much as giving her a different - more full and objective -- perspective on it. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 00:08:55 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Gentlemen Prefer Blondes Review In a message dated 6/20/2005 1:52:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xenatorres@bitchofrome.com writes: > >The one of Lucy at GPG was kind of fuzzy, which is understandable under > the circumstances. > > I didn't take that one, my friend did. Yeah, you're not allowed to take > pictures and she snuck a few off at the end, but the place was LITERALLY > vibrating under all the noise, so they were very shaky. Also, horrible lighting from > way up in the balcony. I wish I had whipped out my camera and snapped a few > shots, but I was scared to get busted and get told to leave or something. ;)>> Hmm, we'll have to send you to paparazzi school. Of course, we'll have to pretend we don't know you -- *after* we see the photos. > >>Bloody hell, more than half the time I have to explain who RENEE is to > people. And I can't just say, Gabrielle from "Xena." I have to say, "The blonde > girl that hangs around with Xena." *rolls eyes* Even LUCY, I have to say, > "Um, XENA! HELLO!" And if they don't know who Xena is, I just get scared. ;) >> It still amazes me that Lucy is so well known among some that surprise me, yet not known at all to others -- even tho "Xena" has become a household name. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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