From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #105 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, April 22 2005 Volume 05 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Re: Best of Xena ["Cheryl Ande" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Best of Xena [KTL ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:08:56 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Best of Xena > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:48:25 -0800 (AKDT) > From: KTL > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena > > > Ife: > > I'm with ya here too. Getting back on that cross when you've remembered how > > previous crucifixions felt? > > > > BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ! (That's the sound of the "incorrect" buzzer from game > shows.) > > Nope. Xena was never crucified. So she has no personal knowledge of > how being crucified would feel. Being Caesar's wife, I'm sure she's seen > lots of crucifixions. But she's never "had one". > Well actually she had the experience through Alti's vision. She felt the pain of crucifixation so Ife is right in thinking Xena knew what she was in for. CherylA Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:48:58 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Best of Xena KT wrote: > > BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ! (That's the sound of the "incorrect" buzzer from game > > shows.) > > > > Nope. Xena was never crucified. So she has no personal knowledge of > > how being crucified would feel. Being Caesar's wife, I'm sure she's seen > > lots of crucifixions. But she's never "had one". > > > Well actually she had the experience through Alti's vision. She felt the > pain of crucifixation so Ife is right in thinking Xena knew what she was in > for. > > CherylA > Except for the fact that Alti could not possibly have pulled that memory out of Xena's mind because that moment no longer exists. Caesar changed the world so that him crucifying Xena never happened. Either time. And so Xena never experienced it and so cannot possibly remember it. This is the dark black plot hole at the very heart of Fates. Fugate set up the problem in a way that made it impossible for it to be resolved using the solution she chose. The problem: Caesar changes the last forty years or so of the history of the world, creating a whole new life for everyone who's living at that moment. Once Caesar changes the Loom, this is the only life anybody has lived for the last forty years. It is absolutely impossible for any of the characters to remember anything from a life that never existed and that they never lived. But yet Fugate makes them remembering that non-existent life the key to solving the problem. It is so major a plot mistake that it makes the whole resulting storyline absolutely ridiculous. And that's without even getting into any of the other inexplicable story point. Like how Gabrielle physically destroying the one and only Loom of Fate by burning it up could possibly result in it not only suddenly being restored but also reset! Damn, who would have EVER thought it was so fragile that anyone who was disgruntled with their life could have so easily destroyed it? Those Fates ain't all that tall. Any nut could have gone in, lobbed a torch over their heads and shut down the universe. You'd think they would have used inflammable yarn, or at least a fire resistant one. Particularly when the light source in those days was always an open flame. Tch. That's just sloppy shopping on their part. And VERY bad housekeeping. Ah, never mind. If I start pointing out all the inconsistancies and idiocies of Fates, I'll be here all day. And I'm just about at the end of my Fates discussion tolerance. So no, though they are highly amusing and are almost a textbook case of how not to structure a story, the major dumb plot holes are not what make this such an abysmally awful episode to me. Hey, as Lucy freely admits, XWP was often a damn cheezy show. And they're proud of that! It is Xena giving up and meekly acquiescing to Caesar's plans to murder her that causes me to make rude, uncontrollable noises whenever I hear people talking about this ep. Without that moment, I probably would never have noticed these endless plot holes since on the whole I found this ep so turgid, boring and ho-hum that I would never have had the desire to watch it again anyway. And then it ended with Xena giving up. GAG! KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V5 #105 **************************************