From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #101 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, April 18 2005 Volume 05 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert [KLOSSNER9@aol.com] RE: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert ["Xena Torres" ] RE: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert [Sarah Anne Packard Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 06:29, KTL wrote: (Season 5 eps) > I think these were very good choices compared to some of the ones we got > from other seasons. The "chosen" were Fallen Angel, Lyre, Lyre, Amphipolis > Under Seige and Motherhood. None of these are from the Lucy lite awful > middle stretch of season five. And for me, while none of them make the > rarified ranks of my "excellent" category, all of them are in the next > one, the "very good" category. (snipped critique of those eps, with which I agree) > So yeah, to me, these are much better picks than some of the other > seasons'. Well, since the other seasons left out Destiny, the Debts, and Sin Trades, that wasn't much of a standard to beat, was it? ;) > As for Lyre, Lyre, being picked as one of the "Best of Xena", I'm really > leaning towards a Joxer fan explanation. Seriously. > > Now as to all the gnashing of teeth over WFC and OAAAA being on the Best > > of Xena lists I am surprised that anyone would be surprised that they > > made the list. > > Oh you drama queen! (But of course you are--otherwise you'd laugh, laugh I > say, at When Fates Curdle.) The gnashing of teeth was far more pronounced > over the lack of the Debt rather than the inclusion of Fates. Besides, > this poll as we all know is totally bogus--I think most of the posts > on this thread appear to be enjoying jeering at it more than anything > else. Oh dear, am I that obvious? :( (OAAA:) > It didn't surprise me in the > least that this one wasn't written by the regular staff. Another of those > one time wonders. Hmmm. Now that's interesting in itself--that > Gene O'Neill and Noreen Tobin created one of the most loved eps of all > times. But never wrote another one. I saw online that they wrote some of > Hercules' eps--Armageddon Now, for instance. And have written for other > sci-fi genre TV shows also. Surely not! (Checks the Whoosh episode guide) Armageddon Now 1: Paul Coyle AN2: Story: Paul Coyle, O'Neill, Tobin; Teleplay O'Neill & Tobin Now of the two eps I prefer AN1 - whether that's related to the absence of O'Neill & Tobin I don't know. But I prefer to put Armageddon Now down to Paul Coyle - who also had a hand in Ten Little Warlords, A Necessary Evil, The Execution, Sacrifice II, Send in the Clones. The only one of those eps that isn't brilliant (IMO) is The Execution. And - they all show a sense of humour and irony that's also present in Armageddon Now and totally absent from OAAA. > > I however agree that The Debt, Sacrifice and Sin Trade should been voted > > as one episode. > > Yeah--I have NEVER understood why some people do that. *Especially* when people were voting for a DVD selection - which obviously wasn't going to include one half of a two-parter without the other. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:57:40 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert Shiri Appleby (Tara) will be the star of Everything You Want, a Family Channel film on tonight. It's almost got to be better than Alien Apocalypse or Tarzan. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 18:03:44 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert US or Canadian alert? BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org >Subject: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert >Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:57:40 EDT > >Shiri Appleby (Tara) will be the star of Everything You Want, a Family >Channel film on tonight. It's almost got to be better than Alien >Apocalypse >or Tarzan. > >Boeotian >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:09:49 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] jacqueline kim sighting Hi, On WGN this evening: a direct-to-video flick called _The Hollywood Sign_, starring Tom Berenger, Rod Steiger, Burt Reynolds, and ... Jacqueline Kim. I had never heard of this, and I stumbled in near the end, but I think I shall rent it at some point so I can see the whole thing. Kim looked lovely, and she's a fine actress as always. Anybody else see this? IMDB says it's from 2001. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== hear at the HOMe House Concert Series http://hom.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:17:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert U.S...it's on right now, started at 8 pm EST. :) - -Sarah- On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, Xena Torres wrote: > US or Canadian alert? > BATTLE ON XENA! > > Xena Torres: Warrior Writer > http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome > > "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword > never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" > > > > > > >From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com > >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > >Subject: [chakram-refugees] Shiri Appleby alert > >Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 16:57:40 EDT > > > >Shiri Appleby (Tara) will be the star of Everything You Want, a Family > >Channel film on tonight. It's almost got to be better than Alien > >Apocalypse > >or Tarzan. > > > >Boeotian > >========================================================= > >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > >========================================================= > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:53:23 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena In a message dated 4/13/2005 3:01:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >Well, see, Xena evolved and learned forgiveness, unlike some of her fans. > > > > > >-- Ife > > Well, there's forgiveness, and then there's mindless acceptance of what I > guess one would have to call criminal negligence. "Oh dear, Xena, I seem > to > have got you condemned to death and left this murderous tyrant in power to > keep on killing his subjects". "Never mind, scratch my nose". > > cr LOL! It was a *story.* If there was going to be a betrayal, it had to be epically idiotic. Just like Xena with the Gabdrag -- epically brutual and equally unbelievable. I had to give a lot of slack in both instances, as I couldn't believe Gabs would be so naive in Debt nor Xena so homicidal in BS. Doesn't mean I still don't want to slap Gabs. As for the Gabdrag, I couldn't take too seriously watching a dummy and stunt men bouncing about the countryside. Plus, the gallop music and feral Xena have a way of blinding me to just about anything else. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:53:24 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena In a message dated 4/13/2005 3:00:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Reflecting on that - musically (IMO), Bitter Suite was way better. Xena's > > songs in the second half of BS were beautiful, I think. > True, if I had to choose between them for a "best of," I'd go with BS. Thing is, the solos weren't as complex as singing with others, as in "War," "Sisters," or the finale in Lyre. I loved the guest performers and the choreography. Very different musical eps, which is why Lyre stands on its own for me, despite the greater emotional strength of the songs in BS. In its way, I think Lyre was just as ambitious and original. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 22:53:26 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Debt - gotta ask In a message dated 4/13/2005 3:00:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:01, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > >< >list, are Motherhood and Sacrifice and the Ring trilogy. >> > > > >Yes, it was very hard for me not to include one of those. I admit to being > >more biased against "battle with the gods" eps, because I thought the > >"essence" had more to do with inner battles -- especially Xena's. The > >character pretty much dissed gods and stressed self-reliance and > >determination. > > Yeah, but if we're looking for 'typical' Xena eps, it seems to me Xena spent > > a lot of time doing battle with various gods, demons, or evil spirits. >> Agreed. I'm saying the inner battles resonated more with me personally. I grudgingly accepted the battle with the gods thing. Except with Ares, who personified what Xena struggled against within herself. Alti (and immortal Callisto) embodied great mixtures of Xena's past vs. her present. I liked the India arc because they also helped illuminate what Xena was made of -- spiritually, in terms of destiny vs. will. To me, most of the other battles with supernatural enemies weren't that different from missions involving the warlord of the week, and less Xenaesque than her battles with Caesar or mortal Cally and Alti. I might've thrown in one of Norse eps because of the costumes. > > >That said, I was surprised I could leave "Fallen Angels" > >off, or "Looking Death," or "The Ring." Certainly some fine acting and > >production in those. I guess, for me, they just weren't original enough, > >compared to much that had preceded. In fact, that's probably why I > >included as many earlier eps as I did -- because they were "firsts" and set > >up so many future story lines. > > Hmmm, I'd rather see 'best' than 'first'. In that respect, 'first' does > have the advantage of originality. >> Uh huh. Admittedly, I have mixed emotions, as some of the "firsts" may not have been as dramatically powerful as later eps. But there's still a surprising freshness about them -- an "innocence" -- that always reminds me of themes that attracted me in the first place. And since they tended to repeat > successful eps, the 'first' often was the > best - consider Sin Trade vs Them > Bones, Debts vs Purity/Back in the Bottle. OTOH, the counter-example is > the Callisto eps where (IMO) Return of Callisto and A Necessary Evil were > way more enjoyable than 'Callisto'. >> Oh, yes. Return of Callisto is the first one that made me sit up and take notice that the series was a lot more than T&A, butt-kicking and campy humor. The ending stunned me, as I never expected the "hero" to let her opponent die. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V5 #101 **************************************