From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #95 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, April 12 2005 Volume 05 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola)] Re: [chakram-refugees] Locust! ["Xena Torres" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena ["Xena Torres" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] question about season 6 DVDs [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Best Of Xena DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Locust! [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena ["Xena Torres" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 00:29:01 -0400 From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena I couldn't agree more on your take on WFC. I am actually surprised so many people on this list did not like it. It had so many levels. Whether you like the "mush" or not, the cell scene was one fine performance by Lucy... it broke my heart when she was telling Gabirelle about how their fates were changed... but I guess those soft moments always get to me .... maybe we should have a poll for the best scenes rather than an entire episode... best dramatic performance & best comedic performance.... Cheryl J ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:30:35 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Locust! >the naked jungle. miles and miles of ants. And I can honestly say I've never heard of either film. ;) >and the quintessential *alien* and *aliens." ??????? Alien movies are not bug movies. They are alien movies. Granted, there are a few alien movies where the aliens are a little 'buggie' looking ("Starship Troopers" and "Pitch Black" come to mind), but I would not classify the "Alien" aliens as remotely bug looking. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:36:22 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena >I couldn't agree more on your take on WFC. I am actually surprised so >many people on this list did not like it. It had so many levels. The fact of the matter is - it wasn't very well written. Yeah, there WERE some cool ideas, gods, YES, Lucy ROCKED in the cell scene (wow, wow, wow), Alti ALWAYS rocks (except for the screaming - Alti must NEVER yell, it just doesn't work for her), the idea of Caesar and Xena. My issue with the ep is that the actual words coming out of their mouths is often REALLY cheesy. Our fine and talented actors pull it off, and there's a few lines I DO enjoy (I love everyone telling Gab her play needed more fights - ha ha ha - classic Rob response). But, as a whole, if you REALLY sit and listen to the dialogue, you can't compare it with the work of the amazing talents of Chris, RJ, Paul, Steven, etc. Can you really compare the WONDERFUL dialogue, of, say, The Debts ("That's my piece of meat you're reaching for.") with "When Fates Collide"? :P But I guess we're just beating the dead horse now. Let poor Argo rest! It's like FIN, either you hate it or you love it. Same can really be said of any episodes. It's all objective. I'm be more interested in finding the eps EVERYONE can agree on. ;) I vote "The Debt"s. Does anyone here NOT like those eps? I mean, COME ON! ;) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:42:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] question about season 6 DVDs On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, meredith wrote: > Hi, > > > My take on the Director's Cut ending is, it's Rob Tapert's attempt at > backpedaling a bit to appease the fans who inundated him with vitriol (up > to and including death threats) about how it all ended. > > But we know that we're the only six people in the entire Xenaverse who > don't hate FIN and everything it stands for, right? (You may think I'm > being funny, but I'm dead serious. There are six of us, by my count. LOL! That's hilarious. But Meredith, it's not true. There are thousands of fans who love or at least like FIN. When FIN first aired, I had saved all the posts on it on all the lists I was on to read after I saw Fin 2. I had about 600 posts on it to read. And it quickly became clear to me that the fandom was actually fairly evenly split. About 51-52 percent hated or deeply disliked the ep while about 49-48 percent loved/liked it (though no one liked it that Xena had died.) But the thing was that the people who hated it endlessly posted to say that. Anytime any positive post was made, a bunch of the same people would jump in screaming and dissing people for liking it. So yes, most of the posts were negative. But only slightly more of the fans were. One thing that amazed me was how many lurkers came out just to say that they liked/loved the ep. There were names I had never, ever seen on my screen before. I guess the negative dumping just got to them. Do you remember when someone on here decided to run a poll on various lists because she hated FIN and wanted to prove that most fans did also? And her poll showed again a much closer split than she had expected. It was something like 50 something agin it, high forty something for it and a small number who were neutral. She posted the results and then left this list because she couldn't bear how so many of us appreciated and praised Rob "too much". The results didn't surprise me in the least. And > we're not well liked by the other 8 million or so. Laugh! Well if the fan base is 8 million, then almost 4 million of us love/like FIN. We're just not as hysterical over putting our opinion out about FIN as the anti-FIN folks are. Or as intolerant of differing opinions as some of the Anti-FIN folks are. You know--the ones who as you say, went WAY over the top and took the ending as a very personal insult. I almost got banned > from Xena Night over this issue.) Oh man! Sorry i wasn't there to "Get your back." (Of course, I've only been there about five or six times.) Negative energy is very powerful. And some of the Anti-FIN fans love to wallow in that. Even to this very day. KT > =============================================== > Meredith Tarr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:51:43 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] question about season 6 DVDs > > My take on the Director's Cut ending is, it's Rob Tapert's attempt at > > backpedaling a bit to appease the fans who inundated him with vitriol (up > > to and including death threats) about how it all ended. One more thing. I don't think this was "backpedaling" so much as him figuring that people didn't understand that Xena's spirit was still there with Gabrielle. (How is this possible? Hey, how many times were ghosts hanging around in the series? Well, a few anyway.) So he tried to be more explicit at showing that she was still around. And like you, I think it weakened the ending. Though the thing I always notice the most about the ending is how the ship is barrelling along without a scrap of sail up on it. LAUGH! KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:57:59 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Defining "the Xenaverse" (Was question about season 6 DVDs) On Tue, 22 Feb 2005, Jean wrote: > I'll come out of the woodwork and weigh in on this, as well. > Respectful snip > > I never understood the screaming rage of the nutters that so passionately > attacked Rod Tapert and company. Thankfully, those folks have either calmed > down or faded away, considering Mr. T's warm welcome at the Pasadena con. Yes--Rob and Chris Manheim got a roaring standing ovation. Both when they first came out and when they left. And when a young man came up to the mike and said, "At the risk of getting booed, I'd like to tell you that Friend in Need was my favorite episode", there was a big burst of applause and cheering. > I, too, have seen very positive views of FIN expressed on a variety of Xena > posting boards. > yeah, I've seen lots of fans who like/love FIN on other lists also. I think that it's true that most of the truly rabid FIN haters have left the fandom. Or at least, some of them are in deep lurking on lists with like-minded people. Where they viciously rant about Lucy and Rob endlessly. And happily. And many new fans just don't have that animus towards FIN that some of the old fans did. I think that having come to Xena when the show was already over, they didn't have the expectation that some fans had, that they should be consulted (and listened to!) on how the series was written. I just haven't seen really angry new fans on any of the lists I'm on. > Yes, there is diversity in our Xenaverse. > Always has been, always will be. And that just always drives some fans crazy. wink > Yours in Xena- > Hawk KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:52:39 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Locust! On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:42, Xena Torres wrote: > Come on now, WHY on earth would one CREATE > bioengineered locusts which are bigger and hungrier than the average > ravenous locust? I mean, REALLY! ;) > BATTLE ON XENA! To make locustburgers? cr .... running for the hills ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:26:02 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] question about season 6 DVDs On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:51, KTL wrote: > So he tried to be more explicit at showing that she was still around. And > like you, I think it weakened the ending. Though the thing I always notice > the most about the ending is how the ship is barrelling along without a > scrap of sail up on it. LAUGH! > > KT It was a ghost ship, of course! cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:30:45 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:31, KTL wrote: > Here's my whole list by ranking. Hopefully there's not too many typos. You have _way_ too much spare time! :) (snip list to placate listmistress) > > Giant Killer-3, Lifeblood 2, Titans 1, King Con 1--By the gods, who ARE > these people? > > KT And Giant Killer outranked Lost Mariner? They're weirdohs, evidently ;) (I woulda voted for Lifeblood, just for the Amazon High bits - and to piss off the rest of you! :) But, more seriously, as my *favourite ep of all*? - nah, the mind boggles... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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So much for that. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:26:27 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Best Of Xena DVD On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 05:27, KTL wrote: > I noticed that Joxer is in eight of these eps. That's about half. At the > con, there was a HUGE contingent of Joxer fans. That might explain the > high rankings of Lyre, Lyre, Callisto, and Sickness, eps that I haven't > seen on very many people's favorite lists. > > KT JOXER fans? Do such creatures exist? Did they all have little bells round their necks and were chanting 'unclean, unclean'? Well, anyway, I guess that gives us a new reason for persecuting Joxer fans cr .... busy sharpening a stake...... - - Hey. Kindred Spirits wasn't on the list, was it? ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 06:59:27 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD Well, with all due respect, I think we were implicitly discussing this set on the assumption that people buying it would _not_ already have all the eps on DVD - which implies a 'target audience' of ordinary viewers. (Because for those of us who _do_ have them all already, there's not much point buying any 'Best of' collection, is there?) And our criticism was aimed at the selection which unaccountably left out eps - - such as The Debts - which (we almost all seem to agree) really should have been included. So I really can't see the choices as appropriate, not for fanatics, nor for casual viewers. There's also the methodological objection that, regardless of the putative 'target audience', the contents of the set were chosen entirely by hardcore folk who either attended cons or voted on the internet - i.e. those 'heavily into fandom'. cr ... obsessed? Who me? On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 06:49, Janice Stewart wrote: > Maybe this set is not aimed at us hardcore folk who already have all the > eps on DVD, but rather at the regular viewers who were not heavily into > fandom. I could see the choices for this set as being appropriate if the > target is a broader distribution to viewers familiar with _Xena_ but not > necessarily obsessed with it. > > XWPacolyte > Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:39:11 EDT > > From: IfeRae@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD > > > > In a message dated 4/8/2005 8:11:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > candex@verizon.net writes: > >> have heard tell that > >> commentaries were made for at least one episode, Doctor In the House, I > >> wonder > >> if that will be included on this set. > > > > Not from the write up. Doesn't seem to be any new commentary material, > > which > > I don't mind, since there's no other reason I'd get the "Best of" with > > all the other versions of eps I have. > > > > - -- Ife > > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:51:03 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:28, Cheryl Ande wrote: > I was looking at the list today again and I was surprised that so many > season 5 episodes made the list but then I remembered that the voting took > place just around the time season 5 was released on DVD. I think what > happened is that people had season 5 fresh in their minds and voted for > those episodes. > > Now as to all the gnashing of teeth over WFC and OAAAA being on the Best of > Xena lists Huh? I don't recall gnashing my teeth on this occasion. (Did i?) Yeah, you all know what I think of OAAA and WFC , but I am aware that a lot of fans like them, which is why I directed my criticism at less comprehensible omissions and inclusions - like, say, Lyre Lyre. Did someone else gnash? > I however agree that The Debt, Sacrifice and Sin Trade should been voted as > one episode. Probably if that happened they would have made it to the DVD. > > CherylA As KT demonstrated, Sacrifice and Sin Trade wouldn't have made the cut (though Debts would). cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:08:08 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Locust! On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:52, Mirrordrum wrote: > > kinda crap. It's the cheesy, big, bad bug movie. Can you name ONE that > > WASN'T crap? I challenge you all! ;) (snip) > and the quintessential *alien* and *aliens." admittedly not on this planet > but as hudson says in *aliens* "it's a bug hunt." the shot of the aliens > coming at them through the ventilation system does show buggy aliens with > at least 6 and possibly 8 legs not the alien-human hybrids of A3 and AA. Yes, BUT.... The 'Aliens' were huge, deadly and really really frightening. Nothing that could be dismissed as just a 'bug'. Bugs are things you can squish. Those aliens would make alligators look user-friendly. They took rather high-powered weaponry to squish them. (Disclaimer: I think the 'Alien' series of movies are the best sci-fi-horror movies ever made, by a huge margin) > now having got my adolescent contrariety out of my system , yeah, > it'll probably be very cheesy but maybe lucy will get to do SOMETHING > interesting. i'm afraid i shan't be able to keep from at least trying it. > > md I'm sure it will be worth a look. The menace doesn't have to be huge and lethal to make an interesting movie, I think. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:15:31 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 18:36, Xena Torres wrote: > >I couldn't agree more on your take on WFC. I am actually surprised so > >many people on this list did not like it. It had so many levels. > > The fact of the matter is - it wasn't very well written. Yeah, there WERE > some cool ideas, gods, YES, Lucy ROCKED in the cell scene (wow, wow, wow), > Alti ALWAYS rocks (except for the screaming - Alti must NEVER yell, it just > doesn't work for her), the idea of Caesar and Xena. My issue with the ep is > that the actual words coming out of their mouths is often REALLY cheesy. > Our fine and talented actors pull it off, and there's a few lines I DO > enjoy (I love everyone telling Gab her play needed more fights - ha ha ha - > classic Rob response). Well observed, I think. > But, as a whole, if you REALLY sit and listen to the > dialogue, you can't compare it with the work of the amazing talents of > Chris, RJ, Paul, Steven, etc. Can you really compare the WONDERFUL > dialogue, of, say, The Debts ("That's my piece of meat you're reaching > for.") with "When Fates Collide"? :P Or my favourite - "I decided to appeal to his sense of family values" Runner-up: Guard: "Hey Xena, I hear you were betrayed by a friend" Xena (quietly): "No, not by a friend" Ouch! (Another of those cases where Lucy chose the more subtle reading) I can't think of anything in WFC that made me gasp with delight the same way. There were some ingenious ideas (I liked that Alti was surprised at what she was 'finding' in Xena's subconscious), but I don't recall any great dialogue. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 07:39:01 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Best of Xena DVD On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 08:20, KTL wrote: > > >You know, I was thinking when I first heard about this poll that I would > > >much rather have had a >new set with the Bext of Xena as chosen by the > > >people who worked on the show. > > > > Though I agree that would have been a cooler voting system, it still > > doesn't change the fact that this set offers NOTHING new. Frankly, just > > show me their list and that's fine. ;) > > LOL! Well, yeah UNLESS they had new commentary on them. Explaining why > they were their favorites. I'd be up for buying more sets for more > commentary. If they choose ones I love/really like to talk about. As I've > said before, I really wish they'd do an Evil Xena set, which would > inherently then include many, heck most of my personal list of > excellent/very good eps. I'll buy that!! What would be on it? - Destiny Debts Sin Trades Past Imperfect The Ring trilogy Friend in Need (Any others? PI's the only weak one there.) > Do other shows do that? Do they include amateur fan stuff in their dvds as > XWP has done and will do again? Errm, 'Red Dwarf' included on one of their season sets, some brief clips from a Red Dwarf convention - from which I concluded that conventions, while great fun for those attending, look irremediably and cringingly lame to any outside observer. (The only exception to that is possibly the guest stars themselves, who are used performing on a stage and usually acquit themselves well). > BITTER TREAT SPOILER BELOW: > > > > They showed just a bit of it at this year's con. The "Peace/War" song > which in Bitter Treat is set up as a battle between the carnivorous > soldiers and the vegetarian villagers--so they sing in challenge to each > other, "Peas! Boar!". At the urging of someone on this list, I did go and read the text of Bitter Treat - and I do agree, it was an excellent and very funny parody. CR ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 09:03:45 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 16:29, Cheryl LaScola wrote: > maybe we should have a poll for the best scenes rather than an entire > episode... best dramatic performance & best comedic performance.... > > Cheryl J You wanna start one? On a slightly different note, I had in mind a while back, a 'best image' poll - - in the sense of a frame (or a sequence of a few frames) that make me go "Wow, look at that!" Not necessarily much to do with the acting or the plot, but just how good that scene would look if framed and hung on the wall. (And not necessarily 'best' which invites all kinds of arguments, rather just a collection of 'great' images). What set me off thinking this way was the scene almost at the end of 'Purity' where the ammo dump explodes, and you see Xena and K'ao Hsin walking side by side out of the flames in their gorgeous Chinese robes. Visually beautiful. Other candidates that come to mind - In 'Return of Callisto', when Callisto goes to stab Gabrielle while Xena thunders in from behind on Argo - almost in silhouette, with golden sunlight on the feathery sawgrass (out of focus) in the background behind them - if I had to choose just one shot from the whole series as a classic image, that would be the one. Near the end of the fight in 'Between the Lines', where a bloodied Xena makes a couple of 'virtual chakrams' out of thin air, about to throw them at Alti The end of the flying fight in Sin Trade, where Alti is hanging on a tree and Xena drifts up beside her looking almost innocent (just as she says 'Now you know your future') (a lovely case where Lucy chose the non-obvious alternative in her acting, btw) And, from that fight, moments earlier, the first shot of the Vision - cool, blue, reflected in a shiny Roman shield And, at the end of Sin Trade, as Cyane and company are released, the snow-capped mountains behind them shining gold in the setting sun. (It's actually rising, I think, but setting fits better with the storyline). Any number of shots with Callisto in them (she's just so photogenic) - one that I like was chosen for the inside cover of the S4 DVD set, from Ides - Callisto in white balancing the chacky on her finger - gorgeous! Which brings to mind another, of Xena, in Fallen Angel, as an angel holding a sword at the moment she gave the fallen Callisto her 'light' (they chose this shot as one of the introductory images for the S5 DVD menus, and I can see why) Xena, in the bamboo cage, in The Debt, looking like a hunted animal (though I said acting wasn't necessarily part of my criteria, it could certainly - as in this case - help create the image). A number of the early scenes in the palace in Anthony & Cleopatra - it's just so visually gorgeous (and a little bit stylised. I think 'elegant' is the word. Reminds me a bit of 'Return of Doctor Phibes' which had similarly elegant sets. I can understand Michael Hurst getting all enthusiastic about the 'look' of the episode on the DVD commentary. In this ep it wasn't just the sets, it was the unhurried way everyone moved - except the Romans (Anthony and Brutus) - they tramped around the place in military fashion. Really, this ep was beautifully crafted). Actually, there are so many good 'shots' in the series, one should really make an album of them. Maybe one time when I'm feeling self-indulgent and have a lot of time to spare I'll do just that. I've got 50 Megs of Internet space and the 'Locations' pages only took up 10 or so, last time I looked. Consider that a threat cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:02:26 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena >Runner-up: >Guard: "Hey Xena, I hear you were betrayed by a friend" >Xena (quietly): "No, not by a friend" >Ouch! >(Another of those cases where Lucy chose the more subtle reading) Oh yeah! And, of course, "Scratch my nose, will you?" That scene could have been SO cheesy, but, no, PERFECTION with that line. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:06:53 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena >Xena, in the bamboo cage, in The Debt, looking like a hunted animal >(though >I said acting wasn't necessarily part of my criteria, it could certainly - >as >in this case - help create the image). One of my all time favs. Oh, wow, so many. Just about any shot in FIN. Xena walking out of the ocean in "RotV" and the reflection of her eyes on the sword in the same ep. Gab walking away in the sand with the wind blowing that scarf around her in "SoF." Same ep - that white tree on the sand. Like FIN, nearly ever shot in The Debt. And, yeah, Purity and Back in the Bottle had a lot of great shots - - the Japa and Chin outfits just made everything look amazing. Anyway, off the top of my head, but there's just THOUSANDS of amazing Xena images. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:10:56 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Best of Xena >>Now as to all the gnashing of teeth over WFC and OAAAA being on the Best >>of Xena lists Not me, I LOVE OAAA - gotta love that fight scene! Go, Xena, go! >which is why I directed my criticism at less comprehensible omissions and >inclusions - like, say, Lyre >Lyre. ACK! I LIKE Lyre, Lyre! It's good, harmless, silly fun. I like Jace. I LOVE Cyrene in this ep. I love Gabrielle making screwdrivers (I might have the wrong bev). "Oh Gabrielle, sign them up." "KIll me, please!" Bwhahahahaha. I love the dancing and the singing. Sure, it's not "The Bitter Suite" (no where near the same league), but it's just a fun ep and if you have Lucy Lawless singing (particullary a great song like "Sisters Are Doin' it for Themselves"), then it automatically ranks up there. :) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:31:38 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [none] Xena Torres asked: Locusts! will still be crap! ;) I'm thinking "Eight Legged Freaks" kinda crap. It's the cheesy, big, bad bug movie. Can you name ONE that WASN'T crap? I challenge you all! ;) Actually yes. "Them" 1954. Starring James Whitmore and James Arness. This is a classic scifi film about giant ants however it is atmospheric and frightening. It is one of the first films to really capture the uneasy feeling that we are no longer in control of nature because we have unleashed powers we don't really understand and control. The film is wonderfully underplayed with dramatic moments such as the scene with a traumatized little girl. Along with the original "The Thing" it is one of the first great science fiction films and might add that in both films the heroines are both smart and brave. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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