From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #66 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, March 13 2005 Volume 05 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Trees... [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Trees... [cr ] Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another Xena Alumni gets TV Role [ p.p.s. I found a classic blooper in Key to the Kingdom - just as Joxer > gets > snagged on the runaway wagon, there beside him on the ground is the print of > > a 4-WD tyre in perfect focus. It's right there on screen, you don't even > need video capture or slow-mo to see it. > You saw this in the ep, right? As opposed to on the road where the ep was shot? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:35:06 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Trees... On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:09, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/11/2005 12:18:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > p.p.s. I found a classic blooper in Key to the Kingdom - just as Joxer > > gets > > snagged on the runaway wagon, there beside him on the ground is the print > > of > > a 4-WD tyre in perfect focus. It's right there on screen, you don't > > even need video capture or slow-mo to see it. > > You saw this in the ep, right? As opposed to on the road where the ep was > shot? > > -- Ife It's in the ep. Plain as anything, because the camera stops moving and is pointed straight at the ground on which Joxer is lying. *Much* easier to see than the famed gas cylinders in Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, which I have never managed to see yet. IIRC we came up with a name for these things - not YAXI, not blooper - but I can't remember what it was. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:36:40 +0000 From: Subject: Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another Xena Alumni gets TV Role Well I'm sure that his audition tape certainly would have highlighted his Archangel role and once the producers saw him with his wings and sword he was a shoe in for the role. > > From: cr > Date: 2005/03/10 Thu AM 10:21:48 GMT > To: , > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Another Xena Alumni gets TV Role > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 04:29, vzeecnno@verizon.net wrote: > > Just saw that Charles Mesure is either doing a pilot or has been cast in a > > show for FOX. He will play a priest teamed with an investigator who > > investigate religious phenomenon. It will be a staring role. > > > > CherylA > > Well, the Archangel Michael should have the necessary background knowledge, > shouldn't he? > > cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:23:56 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] COMING HOME Commentary Oooo, I picked up season 6 and am checking out the interviews and commentaries first. I was pleasantly surprised by Lucy's contributions about COMING HOME. I understand she did multi-season comments while she had a bad cold. From what I've seen so far, many of the S6 sessions must've been then, when she seemed even more subdued than usual. But every now and then she sees something (often a "mistake" in her own performance) that's worth all those moments she doesn't say much. As she's watching Xena interact with Eve, she says she would've played her response to Eve differently now. ROC and Tappy are surprised at this. Lucy says she would have done it more "naturalistically." Basically she says, "You don't really know if you like this person. You wouldn't relate to this adult." Also, "She's half Callisto, so you'd always be looking out for which parts are you and which are somebody else." Tappy adds, "Kinda creepy." Lucy agrees. "I'd allow it to creep me out a little, while trying to care and do the right mother thing. My instinct would be slighly cringing." ROC adds that Eve was raised by Romans, whose culture is "the antithesis" of everything Xena wanted Eve to be. Lucy says she'd be "smarter" if she could do it again. Lucy really nailed what bothered me about the whole Eve thing -- the "insta" bond that Xena exhibited toward her. Lucy didn't seem to view Eve as more than a passing plot device, which influenced my own response to Eve. What I mean by that is, I almost always felt a genuine, "gut" reaction from Lucy toward even the most minor characters. With Eve, it seemed superficial, forced, like, "Well, I'm her mother and I'd love her no matter what, so I'll make myself be patient and loving toward this person I'd normally want to put a sword through." Now, having said that, maybe Lucy did respond "naturalistically." True, if she'd played it with Xena's usual skepticism, there might've been more dramatic tension. It would've seemed more "characteristic." Yet her actual performance made Xena more poignant to me. It was like when Gabs tried to love/believe in Child Hope, after years of having no understanding of what had formed this child. As mothers, what were they to do? Hold back? Treat their children like potential demons, even tho circumstances indicated that could be true? Wasn't their "I've got to give my child the benefit of the doubt" more "natural," even in those fantastic situations? I guess I'm saying it must be tricky for an "in the moment" actor to second guess her performance. Lucy wasn't talking about filming different responses and wishing an alternate one had been chosen. She was talking about her general approach to this daughter she was forced to get to know as an adult. I'm thinking now that Lucy's response was "real," whether it was to the creative notion of Eve as insta-adult, to Eve as an actual person, or both. Kind of going through the motions without an emotional underpinning or history that mothers usually have with their children. So what does this warrior mother do? She puts the warrior part aside and goes for the mother side. She tries to make up for all the years and love she missed, pushing down all the suspicions and hesitations she might typically have toward a stranger who goes around killing in the name of Rome. ROC talks about the external factors that shaped Eve. Lucy focuses on the intimacy, the one-on-one dynamic. Analytically, as an observer in hind sight, she doesn't buy that Xena would initially be so gung ho in embracing even the reformed version of her now adult child. But in the moment, as Xena going with her gut (heart rather than head), maybe Lucy did respond as she believed even Xena would under the circumstances. Interesting. I was also surprised to hear RT give such weight to this ep reconciling the Gabwhack in MOTHERHOOD. I hate the scene where X apologizes to G about nearly taking her head off, but figured it was inserted to make up for the occurence. RT almost made it sound like the ep itself was conceived as away to address that one thing. Interestingly, there's no real discussion about it, and they don't even show the apology bit. I'm glad. Oh, another thing. We recently had a CR-inspired discussion about the devestated forest scene in COMING HOME. Quite conveniently, we find out in the commentary that this particular forest is cleared every 25 years and that huge trees grow in the place of those burned. The crew heard about this and jumped on the chance to incorporate it into the ep. So now we know XWP was not responsible for causing them to burn down those trees. Finally, Tappy and Lucy question the ending, where Xena and Ares make up. Tappy says the scene had been part of MOTHERHOOD and they liked it so much they wanted to use it somewhere. Now, he wonders if it wasn't too "chummy" at the end of an ep where X&A had just tried to beat each other to a pulp. I wonder if they forgot Ares was under the influence of the Furies at the time, which I think most fans would take into consideration. Personally, I thought that scene added "heart," by reminding us of the complex attraction between X&A. It didn't seem weird at all to me. Yep, second guessing XWP is very interesting, even from Xenastaff. I have to say, most of the time I think what we got is as believable (and maybe more "real") than what TPTB wish they'd done instead. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:42:33 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] COMING HOME Commentary Kay, don't do that. You scared the crap out of me! This was in the interview. There was no commentary. I bought the Futureshop/Best Buy edition and I was freaking at your heading that there was another version!!! ACK! ;) But, to your post, ah yes, I agree completely with you and Lucy. But, unfortunatly, they say that all the time. They all have scenes they'd like to fix. With TV the biggest issue is time - they simply don't have any. Rob shocked the hell out me when he said both FINs were shot in a total of 18 days!!!!! Granted that's two more days than normal for two eps (standard shooting time for a tv ep is 8 days), but FIN was so HUGE in undertaking and what Rob pulled off with budget and time. Course, I'm beginning to see why FIN had a lot more money. After watching all of season six the last few days (which, honestly, I have enjoyed a lot more in one sitting and I now like the season better than before), my gods, like EVERY other ep is a clip show or at least using more than a frame of file footage! No, seriously! Send in the Clones, The Last of the Centaurs, You Are There, A Friend in Need II, Soul Possession - ALL these eps used clips. The Last of the Centaurs annoyed me the most because it rates up in the "treating fans like idiots" box where they feel the need to REPEAT a scene FROM the ep about ten minutes later because we are apparently too stupid to remember Xena's, "never get between two people and their passion" line for those massive ten minutes. *rolls eyes* But it was also revealed that the Xena and Borias stuff has actually been filmed for another episode and was never used. Interesting way to work it in, though I must question Xena's easy walking if this was filmed for "The Debt"s (that's really the only ep it could have been filmed for as it was pre-Chin not post-Chin). Lucy had a wonderful limb through "The Debt"s so why was she able to drop the cane and walk? And while I'm nitpicking.....Soul Poessesion - after watching it again, I've decided to just chock it up to a Annie and the others story and pretend it has ZERO base in the actual Xena world because it's so inconsistant with the series. Ares did not confess his love for Xena until season five. Granted, this was not the sincere profession of that love, and was more, yeah, be my warrior queen ep, but still. Also, ONE person was paying attention as Xena DID have the CORRECT old chakram in the bar scene with Joxer. However, in every other 'old' shot, Xena sported the new chakram on her belt. And Ares switching souls back???? Um...Xena's soul was never in "Xena's" body. Annie was NOT her 'body.' ;) Frankly, I found that stupid. Would have been much funnier if Ares had never known Xena was in Harry's body and found out then. Ha, ha, ha - but you can't undo "Deju Vu All Over Again." Ah well. :P BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: IfeRae@aol.com >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org >Subject: [chakram-refugees] COMING HOME Commentary >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 13:23:56 EST > >Oooo, I picked up season 6 and am checking out the interviews and >commentaries first. I was pleasantly surprised by Lucy's contributions >about COMING >HOME. I understand she did multi-season comments while she had a bad cold. > From >what I've seen so far, many of the S6 sessions must've been then, when she >seemed even more subdued than usual. But every now and then she sees >something >(often a "mistake" in her own performance) that's worth all those moments >she >doesn't say much. > >As she's watching Xena interact with Eve, she says she would've played her >response to Eve differently now. ROC and Tappy are surprised at this. >Lucy >says she would have done it more "naturalistically." Basically she says, >"You >don't really know if you like this person. You wouldn't relate to this >adult." > Also, "She's half Callisto, so you'd always be looking out for which >parts >are you and which are somebody else." Tappy adds, "Kinda creepy." Lucy >agrees. "I'd allow it to creep me out a little, while trying to care and >do the >right mother thing. My instinct would be slighly cringing." ROC adds that >Eve >was raised by Romans, whose culture is "the antithesis" of everything Xena >wanted Eve to be. Lucy says she'd be "smarter" if she could do it again. > >Lucy really nailed what bothered me about the whole Eve thing -- the >"insta" >bond that Xena exhibited toward her. Lucy didn't seem to view Eve as more >than a passing plot device, which influenced my own response to Eve. What >I mean >by that is, I almost always felt a genuine, "gut" reaction from Lucy >toward >even the most minor characters. With Eve, it seemed superficial, forced, >like, "Well, I'm her mother and I'd love her no matter what, so I'll make >myself >be patient and loving toward this person I'd normally want to put a sword >through." > >Now, having said that, maybe Lucy did respond "naturalistically." True, if >she'd played it with Xena's usual skepticism, there might've been more >dramatic >tension. It would've seemed more "characteristic." Yet her actual >performance made Xena more poignant to me. It was like when Gabs tried to >love/believe >in Child Hope, after years of having no understanding of what had formed >this >child. As mothers, what were they to do? Hold back? Treat their children >like potential demons, even tho circumstances indicated that could be true? >Wasn't their "I've got to give my child the benefit of the doubt" more >"natural," even in those fantastic situations? > >I guess I'm saying it must be tricky for an "in the moment" actor to second >guess her performance. Lucy wasn't talking about filming different >responses >and wishing an alternate one had been chosen. She was talking about her >general approach to this daughter she was forced to get to know as an >adult. I'm >thinking now that Lucy's response was "real," whether it was to the >creative >notion of Eve as insta-adult, to Eve as an actual person, or both. Kind of >going >through the motions without an emotional underpinning or history that >mothers >usually have with their children. > >So what does this warrior mother do? She puts the warrior part aside and >goes for the mother side. She tries to make up for all the years and love >she >missed, pushing down all the suspicions and hesitations she might typically >have >toward a stranger who goes around killing in the name of Rome. ROC talks >about the external factors that shaped Eve. Lucy focuses on the intimacy, >the >one-on-one dynamic. Analytically, as an observer in hind sight, she >doesn't buy >that Xena would initially be so gung ho in embracing even the reformed >version of her now adult child. But in the moment, as Xena going with her >gut >(heart rather than head), maybe Lucy did respond as she believed even Xena >would >under the circumstances. Interesting. > >I was also surprised to hear RT give such weight to this ep reconciling the >Gabwhack in MOTHERHOOD. I hate the scene where X apologizes to G about >nearly >taking her head off, but figured it was inserted to make up for the >occurence. > RT almost made it sound like the ep itself was conceived as away to >address >that one thing. Interestingly, there's no real discussion about it, and >they >don't even show the apology bit. I'm glad. > >Oh, another thing. We recently had a CR-inspired discussion about the >devestated forest scene in COMING HOME. Quite conveniently, we find out in >the >commentary that this particular forest is cleared every 25 years and that >huge >trees grow in the place of those burned. The crew heard about this and >jumped on >the chance to incorporate it into the ep. So now we know XWP was not >responsible for causing them to burn down those trees. > >Finally, Tappy and Lucy question the ending, where Xena and Ares make up. >Tappy says the scene had been part of MOTHERHOOD and they liked it so much >they >wanted to use it somewhere. Now, he wonders if it wasn't too "chummy" at >the >end of an ep where X&A had just tried to beat each other to a pulp. I >wonder >if they forgot Ares was under the influence of the Furies at the time, >which I >think most fans would take into consideration. Personally, I thought that >scene added "heart," by reminding us of the complex attraction between X&A. > It >didn't seem weird at all to me. > >Yep, second guessing XWP is very interesting, even from Xenastaff. I have >to >say, most of the time I think what we got is as believable (and maybe more >"real") than what TPTB wish they'd done instead. > >-- Ife >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:59:40 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] COMING HOME Commentary In a message dated 3/12/2005 10:47:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: > Kay, don't do that. You scared the crap out of me! This was in the > interview. There was no commentary. I bought the Futureshop/Best Buy edition > > and I was freaking at your heading that there was another version!!! ACK! ;) > >> LOL! Sorry about that. I tend not to distinguish between commentaries and interviews. I know what you mean about freaking out, though. I called a Best Buy about 30 minutes from me. When I finally got a salesperson, he didn't seem to understand the significance of the "Exclusive bonus content" banner, but assured me it was the version I wanted. He had one copy, so I said I'd pick it up that day. On my way (through snow showers and unexpected road work) I wondered, "Why do they only have one copy, when it just came out? He did hear me say season *six* I hope." Once there, I found it was indeed what I wanted. Still, I opened the package before I left, seeing as how the bonus DVD was missing from a previous purchase. It was there. Whew! What we go through for XWP. > file footage! No, seriously! Send in the Clones, The Last of the Centaurs, > You Are There, A Friend in Need II, Soul Possession - ALL these eps used > clips.>. Huh. I'll look for that. So far I've looked at the interviews/commentaries through Gurkhan. Cute, how they managed to spread stuff from a particular interview/commentary session through several eps. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 23:59:42 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Trees... In a message dated 3/12/2005 1:37:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >>a 4-WD tyre in perfect focus. It's right there on screen, you don't > >>even need video capture or slow-mo to see it. > > > >You saw this in the ep, right? As opposed to on the road where the ep was > >shot? > > > >-- Ife > > It's in the ep. Plain as anything, because the camera stops moving and is > pointed straight at the ground on which Joxer is lying. *Much* easier to > see than the famed gas cylinders in Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, which I have > never managed to see yet. >. Oh, I'm so glad you admitted that. KT gave me such grief for not seeing the blasted things. Not sure I ever took the trouble to try looking for them again. > > IIRC we came up with a name for these things - not YAXI, not blooper - but I > > can't remember what it was. > LOL! Yes, I recall that, but can't remember either. But I won't argue if you call the tire tread a blooper. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V5 #66 *************************************