From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #23 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, January 26 2005 Volume 05 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Favorite Seasons ( was Re: Xena, Herc in Kids' Movies ... [IfeRa] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] More on Morris/Najara [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Notes to convention guests ["Creation (Sharon Delaney)] [chakram-refugees] Jacqueline in Young Blades [KLOSSNER9@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Con 05 Lucy and Renee (with beads) [KTL While I found later seasons more dramatically interesting and the > >actors' performances more demanding, that doesn't make the accomplishments > >of S1 "less than." I still enjoy it for itself, just as I enjoy later > >seasons for themselves. I simply don't see the need to rank order them, > >when that does nothing to make me appreciate them any more. > > > >-- Ife > > Well, in that respect you are most unusual, because it is, I think, a normal > > human tendency to have favourites and to make comparisons. >> You sayin' I ain't "normal" or "human"? A robot maybe? Humph. I suppose it could be all that garlic I've been consuming lately .... > >But anyway, mentioning Rate-a-Xena illustrates that many > fans do like to compare or 'score' episodes, even though the site does - > quite rightly - warn that the exercise is for fun only.>> Well, if we're talking overall quality of eps, I'd have no trouble choosing the DEBT I&II. I do indeed have eps I return to often. But we were talking whole seasons. Even with the eps, though, I have problems rating "favorites." While I love the DEBT, SIN TRADE and many S3&4 dark eps, I find myself watching some of the comedies over and over -- from all the seasons. So, there's eps that are favorites in every respect, but I don't watch that much, and eps that are favorites in terms of how often I view them, but which I don't necessarily think are that great in overall quality. I don't feel like hurting my brain ("normal" or not) trying to split hairs on which eps are "more" or "most" favorite. > > And coming back to S1 vs later seasons, yes there are episodes in S1 that I > can enjoy watching - though not, I think, as many as in some later seasons. Now that I have the DVDs for all the seasons, I'm astounded at how many I rewatch from S1, as compared to the seasons that stand out for me -- S3&4. At first I thought it was because of nostalgia or that they seemed "fresher" because I hadn't seen them in awhile. Now I wonder if it's because they're so "simple" compared to later seasons. As you know, I love noodling the philosophical questions. When the show was airing, I'd sit down in anticipation of something provocative that we might hash out for weeks. Now, sometimes it's nice just to enjoy a straight-forward, self-contained story -- no "baggage" in terms of antecedents, psychological or mega-arc stuff. X&G come across a problem, they solve it. X kicks butt, G does her cheerleader thing. Simple. I turn if off satisfied and move on. My hindsight viewing is way different in many respects, in terms of what I want to watch and why, now that I have a choice in which to pick. On rainy days when I want to get totally absorbed again, I turn to the darker eps from later seasons. Again, I truly enjoy the earlier ones for different reasons than the later ones and am very glad I have them all to choose from. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:28:56 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:34:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Incidentally, distracted though Xena was in Season 4, that didn't stop her > from out-guessing Satrina in Past Imperfect for example, or Pompey *and* > Caesar in A Good Day, or solving the mystery in Takes One to Know One, or > outmanouvreing Pompey in Endgame and Caesar in Ides (and she would have > pulled off the rescue if Callisto hadn't taken a hand). > > She really only fell short tactically or physically in Crusader, Daughter of > > Pomira, and Paradise Found. > At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I think Xena had the most problem with opponents who *weren't* formidable in the usual sense. Satrina and Pompey were "typical" in that they had motives and strategies very much in line with Xena's expertise. There was nothing in the vision to distract her from doing her "job" per usual. In Pomira, she had to contend with her own stereotypes and past experiences with the Horde, but that didn't prevent her from approaching them with the certainty she usually did. Even in PAST IMPERFECT, she initially tried to plan around Gabrielle's safety because of the vision, but settled down once Gabs nixed the "put Gabs on the sidelines" tactics. The main time the vision came into play, in terms of Xena's ignoring her usual instincts, was when Gabs was directly involved and the enemy could use Xena's fears against her. Aiden and Najara both involved psychological aspects that had nothing to do with the usual external battles or strategies. In both instances, Xena thought Gabs would be in a better situation, possibly one that could prevent her from dying per the vision. She let herself be fooled by charlatans. But once Xena recognized the danger, she fought them on territory she understood, using her darkness to defeat so-called proponents of peace and light. I think there were different nuances in a lot of Xena's opponents. They used different tactics to try to defeat her -- trickery, physical skills, her relationship with Ares, her relationship with Gabs, massive force, her guilt (e.g., Cally in the beginning), etc. Seasons 3&4 played heavily on Xena's internal vulnerabilities, with opponents whose psychological weapons were most likely to penetrate her usual guard. But because of this, we got to see her "suck it up" and draw on her strengths in situations where she wasn't at her psychological best. She was "tested" and stretched despite all her years of experience. I don't look at her opponents monolithically, anymore than I look at Xena as always the same. I look at what challenge that particular opponent presented, how Xena overcame it. She did not simply fight battles where her weapons, physical abilities or proven military tactics defined her character, instincts or formidable will. To minimize the opponent is to minimize the range of ways Xena had to maintain her focus and confidence in emotionally demanding situations, when she had little certainty that she was doing the right thing. I don't think you really see what someone's made of in situations where the enemy is clear and fighting on terms where one has a good chance of prevailing. The vision made Xena vulnerable in a particularly unique way, where she worried about how her usual instincts and skepticism might make her miss a solution that could prevent the vision from happening. Where she opened herself up to giving the benefit of the doubt to people she normally wouldn't. I think that was an enormous risk for someone used to determining her own destiny. It showed the depth of her sense of honor, responsibility and love. When she walks away at the end of CRUSADER, it is with the heavy burden of realizing that running away won't prevent the vision or protect Gabs from other dangers, but that staying might make the vision inevitable. She commits to balancing her own fears with her desire to support Gabs' quest. Xena shoulders that burden with her usual determination and acceptance of the potential risks and consequences. What a woman. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:28:57 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] More on Morris/Najara In a message dated 1/24/2005 10:34:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >Crap. I may have to watch more of Herc if the series comes back on a > >channel I get. > > > >-- Ife > > I assume you mean 'crap' in what I take to be the American sense of > 'Bother!' > (NZ translation 'Bugger!'), rather than the New Zealand meaning of 'crap' > which is 'nonsense' or 'rubbish' ? > Yep, the former. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:28:22 -0800 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Notes to convention guests Well, that was one hell of a weekend, wasn't it? Out of the weird and wacky mind of Lucy Lawless, we got Lucy and Renee popping out of an anniversary cake in their go-go bikini outfits from "Lyre, Lyre"! And Renee showed up for her photo ops in the wedding gown from "Married With Fishsticks." Rob Tapert and Chris Manheim should take that comedy routine of theirs on the road. They had so much fun on stage together. All the guests were just phenomenal and fun and giving and filled with the joy they had working on the show. I'd love to be able to pass along your thoughts -- especially to Lucy and Renee. They were a little worried that their idea of fun might be a tad crazy. You'd think they'd know us better by now So if you'd like to send along notes about their performance and the performances of the other guests -- don't forget the puppets! -- I'll print them all out and send them along. Sharon outback@creationent.com Official Xena Fan Club ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:56:12 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Jacqueline in Young Blades Last sunday Pax showed the first episode of their new series Young Blades, a Musketeer series. I thought it was pretty bad but it does have a new girl fighter, Jacqueline, played by Karen Cliche. (No jokes about her last name, please.) Unfortunately she spends most of her time in male disguise. The swordplay is adequate, including hers, but she has only one fight in a dress. A couple years ago the invaluable History Channel series Conquest, which laid out the technical details of weapons and tactics in many periods, had a segment on the Musketeers' period. Peter Woodward, the host (the son of Edward Woodward of The Equalizer), said that several thousand upper class Frenchmen actually were killed in duels in 17th century France, that it was almost impossible to avoid dueling, that there were several important women duelists and that they fought in dresses, not in male clothes. He mentioned one woman who killed several men, but I have forgotten her name. Xena fans who want to try out another TV swordswoman may want to look at Young Blades, but the first episode was so bad I have little hope that it will improve. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:00:11 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Con 05 Lucy and Renee (with beads) One of the first things that caught my eye when I first walked into the con room was this very large hiding-the-stripper-at-a-bachelor-party-fake-cake sitting to the right of the stage. My immediate thought was, "Let's hope she's not dressed as whipped cream Meg (with a cherry "on top") when she pops out." The video used to introduce Lucy and Renee was "Girl's Just Wanna Have Fun". After the video ended, some exciting "pump 'em up" music started to play. The house lights went down. Suddenly, dramatically, a spotlight hit the hiding-the-stripper-at-a-bachelor-party-fake-cake. And stayed there. . . while nothing happened. The music ended. Then started again. We all still stared fixedly at the cake. In a brave little homage to our national anthem, the spotlight held its glare. The music continued to pump out. Still nothing happened. Then the music stopped for a bit. Then we heard a few muffled bumps and a little whispered, "Renee-keep going". Then I believe that Sharon (who was standing in front of the audience) asked, "Can you hear me?" There were a few more muffled sounds and then there were some affirmative sounding murmurs. Just for a change of pace, the audience began to chant, "Xeeena! Xeeena! Xeeena!" The music hopefully restarted again. And then finally--success! Lucy pushed her way out of the cake. Burbank, we have lift-off! She hadn't shown up as Meg wearing whipped cream, but was dressed instead in Renee's stand-in's white beaded bikini from Lyre Lyre. She had on her huge old Afro wig and wore a singer's head microphone. She stood waist-high in the cake for a minute, arms waving hello. Then she came all the way out and climbed down the layers of cake to the stage. She turned to help Renee out. Renee was dressed in her own white beaded Lyre, Lyre bikini and she was sporting a purple wig and a singer's microphone. After Lucy helped Renee down, she said, "I just like to touch Renee." Prudent disclaimer re my report: It was so dark in the audience, I could barely see the pages in my notebook. But heck, I wasn't looking down at the writing surface anyway since Lucy was onstage. So not only am I writing in the dark, I am also staring fixedly at Lucy and writing without looking. When I remember to write at all. Hmmm, I should probably check my thighs for notes that I unwittingly continued over the edge of the pad. Anyway with all of the above "complications", there will be a few errors. Generally, I just scribble a few key words or phrases which hopefully will kick off my memories when I take a peek at them later. Sometimes, though sadly not always, a phrase will spark a little visual con rerun in my mind. Things in quotation marks are not necessarily exact quotes. They are approximate phrases, not dead right ones. Please keep all this in mind as I try to reconstruct this. (KT stares fixedly at the wall, waiting for the movie to start in my head. Oh hey-it's Bringing Up Baby-one of my favorites!) They danced around the stage awhile, singing-damn, I don't appear to have written down the name of the song and I don't remember what it was. Lucy sung lead on the song, Renee did mostly the do-wops back-up. Wait a minute-I have a note here that Lucy said, "You're the one I choose." Could that be the name of the song? They goofed around, Renee at one point ruffling the swinging beads dangling from Lucy's bikinied backside as she stood at the edge of the stage in her Xena-Dollie-Wide-Spread-Legs-Stance, singing away. After the song, they started talking back and forth with Sharon. First they discussed Renee's purple wig. (At which point Renee said to Lucy, "Hey-you were supposed to wear a pink wig". Lucy murmured something about always liking her Afro wig.) Renee admitted somewhat reluctantly that Sharon had taken her to buy her wig at "Hustler's Hollywood." "Where Sharon has an account", Lucy added. Referring to their performance, Lucy said, "This is why people lip synch." Lucy announced, "We're going to step into something more ugly." A small discussion ensued about heading backstage to change. "Which way do we go? Back in the cake?" The idea was that they could answer questions while they were back stage changing. Sharon told them to be careful to get into the right clothes or else Lucy might come out wearing short shorts and Renee would come out with a shirt down to her knees. Lucy said, "If we undress where we're supposed to undress, everyone will see it." Renee said, "Oh, let's just go on out there. G'wan." Lucy picked up some postcards advertising the Dare Devil movie that Zoe Bell had left on stage earlier. She began to fling them out into the audience, saying something about "supporting my friend Zoe". They told us, "We've been working on our go-go dancing." And, "We haven't been jumping out of enough cakes." And "This is our first time doing that stuff. We have genius, man." Sharon had print outs of questions that she had received from fans and also asked if anyone in the audience had a question they'd like to ask. They talked about Renee's movie, "One Weekend a Month" which is playing at the Sundance Festival. The director wants to expand it into a feature length production so it could possibly be more widely distributed. I'm not sure if this project is a definite go or not yet though. I believe it was Renee who suggested that they take turns changing. Lucy demurred, "It's no fun alone." Lucy moved a tad and stood squarely behind a mike on a typical skinny mike pole stand. And made a joke about how she could change right there because, "No one can see me now." (indicating that the mike pole would successfully hid her from our prying eyes.) Sharon, who was standing off the stage on the far right again suggested, "You might want to go in the back and change". Lucy turned and looked at a crew guy who was standing behind her on the far left and said, "She's talking to you, mate." The guy looked around confused. Lucy said, 'You, in that outfit-she's talking to you." Sharon read a question from a fan about an episode. And Lucy said in a very dry tone, "Now Sharon, you know I don't remember anything." Sharon told Renee that the artwork she'd provided for Creation to make a t-shirt from for the 10th anniversary wasn't ready. Renee was very concerned. Apparently it was a picture of Lucy (as Xena?). And Renee talked about how it started out so beautifully but that she began to layer it and that it turned out to be a very dark piece. Sharon explained that because it was so complicated a piece, they had needed more time than they had expected to get it done right . But that it would be ready as soon as possible. Renee said, "I want to show them my tattoos." And disappeared to change. Later she came back in jeans, a t-shirt and with arms totally covered with tattoos. (How'd she do that so fast-was Akemi backstage somewhere?) Lucy still didn't want to change. Just like last year, she wanted to stay in character. She most certainly didn't want to take off her wig. Renee encouraged her to remove it as she did last year, but Lucy held out. A fan asked Lucy, "Who was the best kisser? Kevin Smith? Kevin Sorbo? (Pause) Or Renee? Lucy murmured to herself, "What do I think?" She said something like, "As a serious question, Kevin was just too much of a friend. For those six years, I was having love scenes with Kevin Smith and it all just went right over my head." She indicated that no matter what they did on screen, their feeling as friends towards each other was the main focus for them. "So. . .for a lot of reasons. . ." She shook her head. She added in that sort of rhythmic cadence people use when they're listing things, "So it would be, Kevin and I would walk to that stand of trees, then we'd walk again and stop here, then we'd kiss, then we'd walk somewhere else. . ." "Kevin (Sorbo's) really good. Tough as nails." She made her decision. She picked Sorbo. I believe that Renee said in a soft, kind of disbelieving undertone, ""Sorbo beat me out in a kissing contest?" We began to say, "Awwwww" and "C'mon". So Lucy walked over to the edge of the stage and said, "Okay. I'll give you Renee." Again, there was a suggestion that she go get changed. Again she turned to the crew guy and said, "Do something about that shirt." She talked about how she wanted to stay in character, that she liked being a character better than just being herself on stage. She reminded us how quickly she had left last year after she was unwigged. She said, "So if I change, I'm outta here." Some people in the audience began to bug her to change. She dismissed that, saying, "It's my party." She said to ask the fans who where at the con last year if she should take off her wig or not. The fans were divided, or at least I heard people yelling for both possibilities. I THINK she said next, "Villains get the best wigs." Not sure though. She did say villains get the best something, I'm just not sure it was "wigs". Then Lucy added, "You think you want her, but you don't." (Referring to Lucy as opposed to Lucy in Character.) I think it was Renee who brought up the story of when Lucy first wore that costume in Lyre, Lyre. That she was about 8 months pregnant, with a huge belly. And Ted was onstage leading a conga line. Lucy said that she couldn't wear Renee's costume because there was too much of a size difference between them. But that Renee had a double who was quite a bit bigger than she was. So Lucy put on that outfit and then came running out onto the set as a practical joke. (Which was shot and shown during the ending credits for the episode.) "I've had it ever since. Comes in handy." Lucy talked about having just been in Bangladesh. She filmed a short information piece on WorldVision in support of their program. Creation had actually run the promo for us to watch earlier. She was her usual heartfelt self, talking about the hardships of the people and especially the children there. The promo will run in New Zealand for fund raising purposes. Someone asked them if they had any cute stories about their kids. Renee said not really but then talked about Miles enjoying music and enjoying hanging with Renee. "One of his favorite things to do right now is to go bike-riding with mom." Lucy said she didn't really have any cute stories either but that she and Julius were in an "I love you more" contest one day and he said, "I love you through space, past all the stars and out through the other side of space were there are no stars or air." Lucy said that her two year old, like most two year olds, can barely talk. "But he's picked up from me, sometimes I talk and I'll say something like, "Yeah and then we'll go there and blah blah blah." "And the other day during our hellish drive to school", she interrupted herself to say, "The S Word. In our house, the S word is 'Stupid'. And Julius is saying something and I hear Judah saying, 'Blah, blah, dupid Ju-Ju dupid.' That drive out here is just horrendous." Someone asked Lucy how the Gentlemen Prefer Blonds show was going. She said, "I only know it's in May. I'm glad you reminded me." She really hasn't started preparing for it yet. And she said something about if she did it. The woman told her that she had five tickets. So Lucy said, "Then I'm there, I guess." (Nice little "I do things for you" moment.) They talked about the irregularity of acting jobs. She got a new job offer. "They want you for something. I'm so GLAD they do. I say, I'll take it. I'll do anything! Like. . . 'Locust'!" And she struck a pose of a person bending over backwards, arms up in the air, palms out to push away the invader, showing a person in fear of assault. "It seemed like a pretty good idea when I was in a slum in Bangladesh. I haven't really signed yet." Renee asked, "You play a scientist, right?" And she answered, "A scientist in the Ministry of Agriculture. Whatever you call that here." "I'll just be running from bugs. I won't tell you how it ends." She continued in a fake uplifting voice, "But it's VERY exciting." Renee laughed and said that she on the other hand would be fighting off termites in her film. (I guess she was talking about Alien Apocalypse?) A woman got up and said, "I'm a Xena virgin." Lucy said, "Renee-over here". Then she pointed the woman out. "Sic 'em Ren!" Then Lucy said, "I cannot believe it. I never even thought of that until you said it. That you all come back." Renee breathed out, "Yeah." This got me to thinking about rejection, how as actors they live constantly with rejection and failed opportunities. And then suddenly every January we appear as sure as the swallows return to Capistrano. And we love them, we love their work, we treasure what they created. No wonder they keep coming to the cons just the way we do. When I talked this over with my honey, he said, "Yup. Nothing quite like a shot of adulation." Lucy said then, "I'm going to change. My mind." And walked backstage. Renee was asked which artist was her favorite. She answered, "Van Gogh. It used to be Monet, but now it's Van Gogh." She talked about the drawing she had done of Lucy for the 10th anniversary T-Shirt. "It started out as a really clean, beautiful picture of Lucy." Then she decided to layer her. And as she worked, the picture showed Lucy changing. And ultimately it became very dark. Renee commented, "What does THAT say about her?" She was asked how she felt about being lusted after by all these women. "It's an odd thing to think about. I don't do navel gazing like that, don't think about people lusting after you. But thank you. Gay or straight, thank you." Then someone commented, "You and Lucy look tremendous." Renee replied, "Thank you for giving me a compliment." Lucy returned as Lucy. She said, "That's what happens when the wig comes off." Although it's always an exciting treat to see these guys, there was a very relaxed and informal feeling during their appearance. Most people seemed to be pretty laid back, perhaps entranced would be the word for some. So after a while, nobody was leaving their seats to go up to the mike to ask questions. Sharon was working the audience with a hand mike and Lucy also began to pick out people who had their hands raised to answer their questions. The last couple of years, there's been a lot of relaxed, just yelling out questions from your seats during the Q&A. This year most folks were going up to the mike but for Lucy and Renee most of the questioners stayed in their seats. They were asked "What story do you want to tell?" They answered, "We won't know until we've done it." There was some kind of question about how the show was an action adventure show and yet there was a lot of focusing on the characters and their story. They said that this was because those types of stories were just more beautiful and had more life to them. Lucy has always mixed her short, snappy joking replies, with thoughtful serious answers. Some people see this as detached or unengaged but I enjoy it. I liked it when they would sometimes evaluate carefully what was being asked. Like when Lucy was asked who was the best kisser, Smith, Sorbo or O'Connor. The possible intent of a question like is not getting an answer so much as the expectation that Lucy will pick Renee and there can then be gleeful reports on the web about her answer. But Lucy didn't go for the easy, give-away, hoped for jokey answer. Instead, she talked about her relationship with Kevin Smith and gave us more insight into having to fit the acting life into your real life. Particularly in such a very small and very isolated community of actors such as they have in New Zealand, where "everybody knows everybody" and so would have connections outside work. And unlike a larger country or one with a greater population, there's no likelihood that on some projects there might be "fresh blood". All the fresh blood is already there. Someone asked Renee if she had had to be careful when hugging Lucy because of the breastplate. She answered, "I had puncture wounds. Like I'd been playing Tic Tac Toe on myself." (You know, my whole notation for this exchange was just a few wildly scribbled words which on my first attempt at translation came up as, "Renee - picture words. Tic tac toe" Picture words, puncture wounds, what's a little creative remembering among friends?) They were asked, "What's your favorite ice cream." Lucy said there was a particular ice cream bar that she loved. It was about 270 calories per bar. And that she had been up to about five a day before she cut herself off. They were asked if they'd ever had any fights during the show. There was a short silence as they looked at each other. Then Renee said something about working together for six years, and over six years, "It becomes like a marriage." Lucy added, "The sex was sporadic." Then Lucy cackled out her laugh and said, "Have you guys heard of LBD?" There was a general swell of noise, some amused sounds, some bewildered sounds. Lucy continued, "It's a condition." (LBD stands for Lesbian Bed Death and refers to a lack of sex between long term couples.) Lucy shook her head and said, "It's a fallacy." Then someone yelled something out to her from the audience and she replied, "Do you spell that with an 'F' or with a 'Ph'?" They talked about trying to having to keep a grip on reality when you're starring in a television show. The amount of attention paid to you is outside the normal experience. Lucy said, "It's a hyped up, surreal position." Then she laughed, teasing Renee about how in the early days, she always acted a little awed by Lucy. How she was always kind of staring at her in wonderment. "You were all, 'You're so pretty!'" Lucy said they had to find a balance. "Renee had to get a higher status." And then she laughed as she added, "And I had to get a lower one." One of them said, "By the eighth episode we thick as thieves". I think Lucy asked Renee, "Do you want to do Locust?" Renee answered, "I did Alien Apocalypse and Alien Apogee" (?) There was some talk about enduring the elements while filming and one of them said, "I've gotten so lazy now." One person asked what surprised them the most, what was the biggest thing they learned about themselves when they first started filming. They thought for a while about it, looking at each other for a bit. I think it was Lucy who said, "I never would have thought that I could cope with the physical action on the show." Then they talked about how they had changed in terms of the lessons of the show. That the family they made on set, they kind of carried the Greater Good within them, the crew, everybody who had the common goal of making XWP. Renee talked about the twenties as such a period of enormous growth for anybody. And how they had both been in their early twenties, in that prime time of change when XWP started. I've noticed for a number of years now that Lucy often stands very quietly when Renee is talking about herself or her projects as opposed to when they're just chatting back and forth or answering questions. When Renee discusses things, Lucy takes herself over to a far side of the stage and stops moving. She often puts her head down, hiding her face from the audience and looking at the floor as she listens. I find this extremely courteous and very generous. She just seems to want to be sure that she's not distracting the audience. Or even Renee. Renee was asked if the tattoos all up and down her arms were real. She explained that they were "tattoo sleeves". That she'd seen someone else wearing these and found herself a pair. And really enjoyed wearing them. Either she was asked or she volunteered that she was considering getting a tattoo. Because she found it intriguing how differently people treat you when you're tattooed. A female soldier who had just returned from Iraq asked a question. I believe that she asked how Renee had come to do "One Weekend A Month", her movie about a single mom in the National Guard being called up for duty in Iraq. I believe Renee said that she'd had a friend who had a friend whom this had happened to. So Renee was aware of this reality for some families. And she had talked over it a lot with her friend. Lucy asked the woman, "Are you Debby? We've read your letters with fixity and concern". Actually, that woman wasn't Debby, but Debby, another female soldier, was also in the audience. You know, I hadn't really thought about that. How XWP as a story of female warriors would hit real life female warriors. How affirming it must be to watch a show where female warriors are celebrated, honored and yeah, successful. An Amazon society that's both respected and feared is a normal part of that world. Being a warrior is so entwined in the daily lives of these characters. It's how Xena defines herself, as an angry, ass-kicking warrior. And also of course, XWP shows how much these characters struggle with the emotional fall-out from their jobs. A couple of months ago, a fan on some of the Xena lists posted that she was on a "Books for soldiers" list and a soldier in Iraq had requested the Xena seasons DVD sets, since he was a great fan of the show. She had a number of offers almost immediately to send the sets to him. I wonder now how many soldiers are Xena fans. For whatever reasons. And I dearly love the thought of Xena: Warrior Princess being watched in any country where women are not respected and treated as children to be taken care of. How seditious to be watching Xena in places like that. Meanwhile, back at the con: The grrls were talking about the artwork they'd done for the convention. Renee had created the layered picture of Lucy. Lucy had drawn a cartoon of Xena and Gabrielle riding on a 10th Anniversary logo, as if on a horse. Sharon asked Lucy where she got the phrases she'd used for the captions. (Xena: "Live long and prosper! Er, wait. Um. . . Kill 'em all! No . . . hang on, it's coming to me. . . Shine on, you crazy diamond!!!" Gabrielle answers, "You go, big girl! Nut bread-a-rama!!") Lucy said, "They were just epithets that came out for no reason". But that "Shine on, you crazy diamond" had come from a song but I didn't catch which one. I think she said that it was not a direct translation but was inspired by the lyrics of the song. Lucy said, "I labored over Renee's nose." She just couldn't seem to get it right. She'd draw and erase and draw and erase and draw and erase endlessly. She said "It was like playing hangman." I think someone asked what their greatest fears or something like that was. They answered, "Anywhere you have to put yourself up for rejection". And, "Being open to such a large group". It's odd to get a glimpse into seeing this from their side. Other stars who appeared this weekend also mentioned that. That they're never quite sure if we're going to like what they do, that they worry about not doing a good job at entertaining us. And hell, ya know, if they sneezed, we'd be all, "Damn! That was the BEST sneeze I've ever seen!" (And be writing reports about it so that those who hadn't been able to go could share in the glory of the sneeze.) Someone asked the classic question, "Did you pull any practical jokes on each other?" They talked about trying to get each other all the time-all of them, all of the crew. Renee talked about her jokes not being very successful. That if she greased the doorknob of Lucy's trailer, Lucy would still be able to open it without even noticing that the grease was there. Or Rob would be the one who'd open the door and it wouldn't faze him either. Lucy said that Renee's attempts were particularly lame. Renee said, "What do you mean?" and Lucy answered, "She's laughing like, "Hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo", thinking she's got a great one going. But if it was equal to putting a "Kick me" sign on a person's back, that would be an ace for Renee." I think they were asked about reality shows. Renee said that reality shows were just the death of television. Lucy replied, "And you don't want to incur Renee's wrath. She might come and put Saran Wrap on your toilet." Many people had applauded and hooted in agreement when Renee reamed reality TV. Lucy looked out at us and said, "Oh yeah, right. C'mon now, don't try to tell me that nobody here has never watched reality TV." Some people loudly denied it. Lucy asked for a show of hands of who had never watched it. I was near the front, so I don't know what the result was. Renee mentioned The OC and Desperate Housewives as some of the few bright spots on TV. Lucy said, "That's nice, isn't it?" And then, "I am Teri Hatcher." Lucy looked at us and said something along the lines of, "Can you believe. . . " then she stopped and said, "Well, actually, YOU would believe. Renee, can you believe that people are still interested in the show ten years later." Someone asked about how much input they had into scripts and production. Lucy answered, "Actors are known as 'warm props' in New Zealand." But she added that there was a lot more freedom than you usually get on most shows. Someone asked Renee if there was ever any time that she had problems with things that happened to Gabrielle, if she ever voiced concerns over some of the script points. Renee thought a bit and then said yeah, on Helicon and Back (and then she added, "I'm going to suffer the wrath of Liz"). "The path I wanted Gabrielle to go, I just remember I wanted to do it differently, having them do it differently. I saw Gabrielle as very different than where the writer thought we were." NOTE: remember that I'm reconstructing notes scribbled in the dark. Though I THINK I have the intent, the words are not exactly what they said. And probably, when the DVD of the con comes out, we'll find out that Renee said nothing remotely like this. . . ) They were asked what they did to keep in shape. I think it was Renee who brought up pole dancing. She giggled and said she just imagined Lucy doing one of those Xena moves, spinning around a pole. (Grrl should write fanfic.) They said they did whatever they could accommodate in their lives. Lucy said, "I do yoga". Renee said, "I've started cycling." One of them said, "Whatever's easy." They began joking around and they were trying to remember what Rob called them. "Mutt and Jeff" was one possibility. "Amos and Andy" was another. I had the impression they couldn't quite remember. It also wasn't clear if he was talking about Lucy and Renee or Xena and Gabrielle. Lucy said, "Damn, I wish I'd had good answers. There were some good questions." Someone asked about how you created a monster mentality, like when Lucy did Boogeyman. She said, "You spend hours in make-up. You get your head into that space to be evil during that time." She talked about the horrors of horror make-up. That there's some kind of astringent stuff they put on your face to stretch it tight and then they apply stuff over it and then when your face relaxes, the stuff gets all wrinkled and sagging. Lucy said she's always afraid her face'll stay like that. Sharon said something about the menagerie of little animals in Lucy's house. (A gerbil, maybe a lizard? I don't remember.) Lucy said she wants a dog. But Rob doesn't think that's a good idea because they travel to New Zealand so often. (I believe that New Zealand is VERY strict on bringing animals into the country. So that's a real problem if you're going back and forth.) They talked about gay marriage. I believe it was Lucy who said, "Things will change. What's the threat? What are we losing?" She talked about how many of her friends in L.A. are gay and that they were "incredibly stable. Talk about commitment." Then she added, "Save the children. (Pause) And the whales. (Pause) And gay people." And I believe someone in the audience brought up the legalization of gay marriage in Canada. One of them said, "You know, somebody's got to do it." "It's an honor to be a part of something that keeps going. To be a part of the Greater Good." I believe the use of the term The Greater Good was in reference to the good works and the support of charity that Xena fans participate in. Lucy told us one of her favorite quotes, "Hope is a low probability event. There is no hope without action." (She amended the phrasing a few times, but I think this was her final quote.) And then they were out of time. And so they slipped away as we cheered and stomped and hooted. KT You know, I find that I actually remember more after a few days rest from the con. However, I see people grousing on so many lists that nobody's writing much of a con report. So here's one for now. I bet you anything that I'll be remembering LOTS more over the next few days. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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