From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V5 #5 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, January 10 2005 Volume 05 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra ["Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra I did think Garner was the best thing in Daredevil and the studio people were wise to use her character as the sequel. I wonder if this picture is a Universal film - sais also showed up in one of the Mummy films also a Universal film. I have a theory that Universal is using Xena as a template for their action ladies. As for Garner's fights being better than Xena's well they should be. Garner is on a major network series with the money that goes with it. Hopefully they can take more time choreographing their fights. Remember Lucy and Ren would learn their fights sometimes the day of shooting and go off and film. I'm sure Jen has the luxury of a bit more prep time. Now for the photos look at the one where the Asian actress is leaning over JG = looks like it came right out of FIN. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:48:26 -0500 From: "Mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra what i was talking about in terms of deja vu is how much the promo/studio shots reminded of the aura of xena, plus of course the sais and the AFIN shot that you mention. i'm not familiar enough with the genre to know if xena was just an early example or if, as i believe, xena really set the standard. i suspect the latter with all due respect to the hong kong connection that's so hot and recognizing rt's allegiance thereto. i also think that xena staff's wardrobe work has been influential, charlie's angels notwithstanding. i confess that i'm just guessing. the costumes look so familiar to me with the caveat that when i look at lucy as xena i believe the character. garner, not so much. too pouty. lucy just moved into xena and became instantly so much larger than life. with everything i've seen since, it's all been a lot of window dressing and i compare everything to xena. i confess i haven't seen kill bill. it sounds too bloody. i'm getting sxwp eason 5 for my 61st b'day (yesterday) and since it hasn't arrived yet, my partner put a picture of xena and gab in a box. i haven't looked at my xwp photos for ages and i was once again just knocked off my feet. i realized how powerful the use of the leather outfit was when embellished with all the cossies that x & g apparently either carried in their saddle bags or whipped up using xena's many skills. to me, these slanky outfits can never compare with xena's leather look. i frankly don't think most women have the personal strength to carry it off so they use skin tight and, to me, yawn-making outfits. uh, with the exception of trinity in the first matrix. with the exceptions of trinity, occasionally lucy liu and always michelle yeoh, the costuming and flash overhwelms the "actors." with lucy, i don't believe you could put her in anything that she wouldn't subsume to herself as character. or possibly just to herself. i suppose that's yet another reason i hate those effing maxim-type shots. but that's my problem, certainly not hers. your point about the "learning on the go" with the fights and stuff is also well-taken, cheryl. a great part of the charm of xena is that it was *never* **ever** slick. i think those last minute preps brought a freshness, magic and spontaneity that was remarkable, creative and captivating. oh dear. my first attack of XWS in ages and ages. i thought i was past that. i must be getting old and senti-mental. damn they were good. cheers, md - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Ande" To: Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:57 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena And Gab return as Elektra >I did think Garner was the best thing in Daredevil and the studio people >were > wise to use her character as the sequel. I wonder if this picture is a > Universal film - sais also showed up in one of the Mummy films also a > Universal film. I have a theory that Universal is using Xena as a > template > for their action ladies. > > As for Garner's fights being better than Xena's well they should be. > Garner > is on a major network series with the money that goes with it. Hopefully > they > can take more time choreographing their fights. Remember Lucy and Ren > would > learn their fights sometimes the day of shooting and go off and film. I'm > sure Jen has the luxury of a bit more prep time. > > Now for the photos look at the one where the Asian actress is leaning over > JG > = looks like it came right out of FIN. > > CherylA > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:31:19 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Because of Xena On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 02:17:20 EST, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >I'm no spring chicken. I'm fairly well educated and have traveled a bit. >I listen to National Public Radio and read a variety of publications >enjoyed by "nerds." So it always amazes me when something happens that - --Yes, but those are *exactly* the type of people for whom "pride goeth before a fall".....;P LOL >was more "deep" and educational than they might think. I've had my share >of sighs, eye rolls and snarky "She probably got it from Xena" comments. - --*Ummmm*......suffice it to say I will withhold comment for a more appropriate time when a certain SOMEONE is the subject of discussion......;P >"Tsunami." When I first heard the title of that ep, I had no idea what >the heck it was supposed to mean. I figured it referred to some new >other-worldly creature. After I saw the spelling, I looked it up in the - --Yes, but Ife, that's because you don't live in a coastal state near a large body of water like KTL and I do. If you notice in the questions the media asked immediately after the tsunami disaster, Bush was asked whether Alaska and Hawai'i were protected/ready for something like this. "Tsunami" is such a large part of our vocabulary here, we have tsunami maps in the front of the white pages of our phone book! >Anybody else learn something on Xena that ended up being significant or >useful? - --Mostly about the Greek/Roman gods, etc. I remember smiling in acting class when my prof was trying to give us background on a Greek or Roman play, and thinking of how the characters were portrayed on-screen. Kinda different than the previous "stuffy" image I had of them from books, etc. And I kept getting the Greek/Roman names mixed up, but insisting I was "right" because I had seen it on TV! ;) LOL *Ahhh*....the far-reaching influences of that show......;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:31:06 -0500 From: "Mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Because of Xena - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: [chakram-refugees] Because of Xena > "Tsunami." When I first heard the title of that ep, I had no idea what > the > heck it was supposed to mean. I figured it referred to some new > other-worldly > creature. After I saw the spelling, I looked it up in the dictionary. > "Unusually large waves caused by underwater earthquakes and volcanoes." > Riiiiight. > I still thought it was some arcane term cleverly appropriated for (and of > relevance confined to) the Xenaverse. Until last week. I'm not saying > the ep > prepared me for the real-life devastation, but at least I had some frame > of > reference. That's a lot more than I can say for a bunch of other educated > folks > who scratched their heads at the TV and radio reports, guessing "Tsunami" > must > be one of the lesser known countries where "that awful flood" occurred. > > Anybody else learn something on Xena that ended up being significant or > useful? fun question. tsunamis i knew about just from reading, i guess. as far as what i learned from or via the show, i would have to distinguish between those things that i learned directly from watching the show, such as the existence of Boadicea, the atropaic eye and "the touch", and those things such as the meaning of "haboob" that i learned from being in the xenaverse and being educated by either my own net surfing or from other fans' knowledge and the discussions we had. i learned a lot about myself, about my views on spirituality, courage, womanhood, ethics and morals, and about the views of others. i learned what it's like to be a fan: the good, the bad and the ugly. i learned to watch for YAXI not only in xena but for their equivalents in other shows. that has stayed with me, sometimes to my annoyance. i can't help catching failures in continuity. the list just scrolls on and on. i also learned you can't trust xena with a scroll in the bush and but you can trust gabrielle inevitably to screw up. i also learned to watch carefully for plotholes. *sigh* probably most important, i learned that my entire education was seriously flawed. you simply can't trust history written by "historians." nobody ever told me whose courage *really* changed the world. :) md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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