From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #301 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, December 16 2004 Volume 04 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? [cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:35, meredith wrote: > Hi, > > cr wondered: > >Well, I guess that's what strained my credulity in the first few eps - > > that Xena, Warrior Princess would tolerate a naive yet bumptious amateur > > who talked too much. M'Lila, now, I could credit as a sidekick. > > Akemi, too, because behind that mild exterior was a iron-hard sense of > > purpose and an ice-cool nerve as good as Xena's. Amarice, though she > > talked too much, knew what she was doing in a fight. But early Season 1 > > Gabs....? > > Maybe Xena just thought, despite herself, that the kid was cute. She might > not have realized until much later that that's why she was tolerating the > irritating blonde, but deep down she just mighta had a crush on the girl. > :) You're only saying that to wind me up 8-)) Okay, there is no accounting for tastes (Xena's or anyone else's) so logic compels me to admit that you could, conceivably, be right. Excuse me for a moment (drags logic off into a dark corner and beats it to a pulp) There, that'll teach it to be a smartass. I feel so much better now. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:45:26 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? In a message dated 12/14/2004 12:23:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > >>I think the Warrior Princess was much more self-sufficient than that, > >>both when she was evil and when she reformed. My cynical view is that > >>half that > >>stuff she said to Gabs, she only said to keep Gabby off her back. "Yes > >>dear, you're very important to me, I really do love you and by the way, > >>have you seen where I left my golf clubs?" ;) > > > >Heh. I won't comment on that last view, as it no doubt reflects your > >"reality." > > Arrg, don't bring that subjectivist-relativist nonsense into it. We''ve > been all over that :( It reflects my _opinion_. Or maybe my wishful > thinking. Not reality. Whatever..... >> Oh, sorry. I thought you were basing your opinion on your own frame of reference. > > >My own view of Gabs' importance to TPTB may be less romantic > >than Gabfans', but I don't think the latter were entirely responsible for > >Gabs' significance as Xena's reinforcement to stay on the right track. > > Agreed, they weren't entirely responsible, but I don't think we'd have got > nearly so much of it without the Gabfans. >> Thing is, much of that was established early on, before the fans got into it. I got the impression from some of Sears' comments that he'd always had a special place in his heart for Gabs. Mind you, I'm going by what I got from TV, not from fan comments. > > >Beyond needing someone who could articulate Xena's (especially early on) > >cryptic, nonverbose references to her motivations, > > Umm, can you give any examples of that? Because I think Lucy (aka Xena) > always managed to convey her motivations quite clearly, one way or another. > > Not necessarily verbally. >> I meant she conveyed a lot of what was underneath her motivations -- her emotions, conflictedness, etc. -- in conversations with Gabs. E.g., at the end of CHARIOTS, when she asks Gabs if she misses her family, I think Xena was referring to herself as well. In the conversation they had by the lake, Xena reveals both her realistic side ("the rock's still under there") and her hope that, like Gabs, she'll be able to focus on the calm moments. I just don't think we'd've gotten regretful, philosophical, etc. moments from Xena in her chats with folks she was about to fight. True, grunting is "communicating," but I wouldn't want to have watched that for six years. > > >Gabs provided someone to bounce ideas off of, > > Oooh, I sense a good meaty argument coming up :) As I recall, Xena > didn't > consult Gabs much on her plans (or anyone else). Xena decided for herself. > > Sometimes she told Gabs what they were, sometimes Gabs disagreed, frequently > > Gabs didn't do what Xena wanted - but I don't recall Xena ever asking Gabs > if > such-and-such was a good idea.>> "Why would you want to go with me into the dangerous life I lead?" could translate into, "Is it a good idea for you to do that" or "Is it a good idea for me to let you do that." "Do you miss your family?" could translate into "Am I/are you doing the best thing by living on the road?" Sure, those were rhetorical questions in that they'd both made up their minds what they wanted to do, but Xena could've just silently plodded along, without verbalizing her doubts. Helping lover boy in PATH NOT TAKEN or babysitting the kid in CRADLE were not things Xena might've taken on or even noticed if Gabs hadn't been so enthusiastic. Simply talking out loud about her plans might've been a way to process them so Gabs could respond to if she wanted. That was early on. By season 3, we have the first ep (FURIES) with Xena in a situation where she has to rely on Gabs as a bell weather for her sanity. She borrows Gabs' inadvertent idea for pitting her gang against each other in DIRTY HALF DOZEN. If Gabs had wanted to, she could've talked Xena into taking her with her to Chin. From then on, I'd say she involved Gabs a lot more in contributing to decisions, even if Xena still did what she thought best. > > >to offer a different perspective, to help Xena deal > >with change and emotions, to give positive reinforcement to the risks Xena > >took in opening herself up more. Xena was a bright woman who loved > >learning and was brutally honest about her shortcomings, who strove for > >excellence and improvement. She was not someone who thought or acted as > if > >she knew everything. Her ego was strong enough that listening to somebody > >else did not diminsh it > > But - how often did she listen to Gabs for practical advice? Obviously, in > > Helicon, with disastrous consequences for the Amazons (but that's a whole > other debate) - but any way, in that ep Xena was deliberately giving Gabs > practice at making decisions. Most of the other occasions when Xena > listened to Gabs, I think it was because Gabs was trying to restrain Xena > from doing something bad - but, you know, now I mention that, I really can't > > bring any instances to mind. Maybe I'm just recalling all the times Xena > _said_ that Gabs brought out her good side. >> Xena could've let Amphipolis stone her, or fought them, in SINS. She didn't have to follow Gabs' lead. She could've knocked Gabs to kingdom come in TIES THAT BIND, when Gabs whacked her with the pitchfork. I believe Gabs's usual forgiveness was partly responsible for Xena not killing Callisto the first time, even tho Gabs already believed Cally past saving. Gabs persuaded her to take a less physical approach to events in SOLSTICE CAROL. She helped Xena decide to come back in DESTINY. And of course, we have THE PRICE. Those are all examples from the first two seasons. Later examples are ONE AGAINST AND ARMY, nearly the whole fourth season, and GURKHAN, where Gabs convinced Xena to do something different, regardless of what we think of the results. > A bit like Gabs' reputation as a bard, or as a persuader or negotiator - we > > heard a lot about it, but we rarely saw it in practice. >> I disagree, based on my examples above. Sometimes it was a look from Gabs. Sometimes I think it was Gabs' influence. > >Regardless of the importance TPTB originally saw in Gabrielle -- beyond > the > >need for telling Xena's internal story -- I believe they were wise enough > >to allow that importance to evolve in a way that added depth and humanity > >to Xena's "strong silent" character. I give TPTB a lot of credit for that, > >for seeing on their own and encouraging what also resonated with many fans. > > To me, it made for a much better story. It also acknowledged what most > >"heroes" would say -- that they could not have achieved what they did > >without someone in their lives who encouraged them, supported them, stood > >by them during their darkest hours. > > > >I always thought it was particularly good for young people to see that Xena > >had flaws and was willing to accept help in overcoming them. It provided > >a model of independence that substituted growth for bull-headedness, where > >both characters remained true to the best in themselves without trying to > >dominate the other. > > Hmmm? I seem to recall a lot of occasions when the Irritating Blonde was > trying to tell Xena what to do - though Xena usually ignored it. I > certainly saw that as Gabs trying to 'dominate' or at least control Xena. > (That was what was so Irritating, of course). >> We have a different view of "dominate" and "control." To me those words mean forcing someone to do what someone else wants. Ares tried that, and we see how Xena dealt with him. Gabrielle supported Xena in what Xena professed to want. If Gabs had a different view, she went her own way. I always find it ironic that Xena could be seen as someone so strong-willed, yet would lug around a companion whom she could either dismiss as useless or was constantly trying to make her do what she didn't want. > > >Of course it can be irritating to be challenged about > >what you've become comfortable with or what's worked in the past. But I > >never saw Lucy play Xena as dismissive of Gabs in the way you suggest. > > Heh. To really counter that, I should recruit a Paranoid Gabfundie >> Please don't on my account. It would be a waste of time. <<> I'm at rather a disadvantage here - since I > rarely listened to what Gabs was saying and regarded it as perfectly natural > > and unremarkable that Xena wouldn't either, such instances didn't stick in > my > memory. >> Yes, that's what I meant by "frame of reference" above. As long as you don't see/hear it, it didn't happen as far as you're concerned. However, let's see - here's a few: > > > The Debt (that one's glaringly obvious) >> Not to me. As I said above, Gabs could've talked Xena into taking her. In the end, Xena wasn't going to kill Baby Ming (her original intent) until he forced her hand. > When in Rome - Gabs didn't like the plan at all and Xena overrode her > (and for once, Gabs did more or less as she was told) >> It was Gabs' choice to save Whosits or not. If it was left up to Xena, his being able to live wouldn't necessarily have been part of the plan. > The Deliverer > Gabrielle's Hope >> The point of "the rift" was that they weren't talking to or listening to each other anymore, with disastrous consequences. That's why it was a "rift." > Gurkhan >> Xena went in the first place because Gabs wanted to. She had no more business secretly taking things into her own hands than Gabs did in DEBT. > Legacy >> Gabs did what she thought best. Xena once again took matters into her own hands. They both did that to protect the other. Nobody made Xena "rescue" Gabs. It was her own double standard that said she should go to prison or let herself get beat up or killed, with no interference from Gabs, while it was perfectly fine for Xena to interfere whenever she wanted. Doesn't matter that she was supposed to "know better." It was Gabs' life, just like Xena could do what she wanted with her life. > If The Shoe Fits > A Day in the Life >> That's stretching it, but okay. > > (By the way, Gabs never listened to Xena either - and said so on several > occasions, IIRC). >> I wouldn't say "never," but I agree she had a mind of her own. > >I saw the normal annoyance and resistence of any relationship as close as > >X&G's. But I also saw genuine respect for for Gabs' importance on all > >levels -- telling the story and making believable what Xena would've been > >hard pressed to do as well alone. > > > >-- Ife > > Well, I guess that's what strained my credulity in the first few eps - that > Xena, Warrior Princess would tolerate a naive yet bumptious amateur who > talked too much. M'Lila, now, I could credit as a sidekick. Akemi, too, > because behind that mild exterior was a iron-hard sense of purpose and an > ice-cool nerve as good as Xena's. Amarice, though she talked too much, > knew > what she was doing in a fight. But early Season 1 Gabs....? >> I acknowledge the exact same incredulity, which lasted a long time. It wasn't until I started looking at her from Xena's perspective -- not my own -- that I began to see what someone like Gabrielle could mean to her, especially in the early stages of Xena's reformation. Xena didn't need someone like herself. I used to dismiss Gabs because she was inexperienced, "untested." Yet the flip side of that was absolute faith in Xena's ability to overcome what Gabs had no clue about. It was the inability to fear what she'd never encountered. She could tell Xena, "You can do it," with utter confidence. Xena already knew how to fight, how to see the potential for something bad in nearly everything, how difficult it would be to prevail in her violent world. She didn't need somebody for that. Gabs' innocence was precisely what gave Xena hope against the improbable -- why she told Gabs "don't ever change." At the point when Gabs did change -- become more experienced and more cynical -- Xena had enough moral successes under her belt that Gabs' innocence wasn't as necessary anymore. I started out seeing Gabs as a nuisance. Now, I think she was the perfect counterpoint to Xena's initial situation. > -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:48:00 EST From: Wizdym4@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] BIG XENA happening this January Something BIG is happening this January at the Xena convention. I dare say I think, and hope, that the conjunction of So many XWP luminaries subsequent to Raimi's and Tabert's production successes might portend the announcement of a Xena film. Do we not know already that a writer(Katharine Fugate, wasn't it?) was chosen to write a screenplay? Lucy's still yet young enough to play Xena and Renee can play a matured Gabrielle going to Egypt. Who knows what XWP characters might be rejuvenated due to Egyptian magic? I can't be the only Xena devotee who's harbored such hopes. I don't agree that expressing such hopes would jinx the possibilities, rather, I'm excited by such visions and hope others here would enjoy speculating. Dreams Do come true, after all. Visualization is an essential element of magic which involves the dreamer, allowing her then to participate in the ensuing developments. Rejoice not only in the memories of XWP, but also in the pregnant possibility that all the elements that made XWP "Lightening in a bottle" are going to be there in California in January(except for Kevin Smith, of course). This is the appropriate forum for such speculation. I feel like saying, "Xena Lives!" .............................>>>God/dess Inspire!....>>>Carmon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:05:42 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] BIG XENA happening this January As much as I would love a movie, I can't imagine one. Bringing Xena back to life would ruin FIN (which I love) and you can't do a Xena movie without Ares. :( And, frankly, while "When Fates Collide" had an interesting idea, I was not really impressed with the episode. The writing was a little cornball, and their was just too much longing gazes - it got a little borning (this is XENA! - kick some butt!) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: Wizdym4@aol.com >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org >Subject: [chakram-refugees] BIG XENA happening this January >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 02:48:00 EST > >Something BIG is happening this January at the Xena convention. I dare say >I >think, and hope, that the conjunction of So many XWP luminaries subsequent >to Raimi's and Tabert's production successes might portend the >announcement >of a Xena film. Do we not know already that a writer(Katharine Fugate, >wasn't >it?) was chosen to write a screenplay? > Lucy's still yet young enough to play Xena and Renee can play a >matured >Gabrielle going to Egypt. Who knows what XWP characters might be >rejuvenated >due to Egyptian magic? I can't be the only Xena devotee who's harbored >such >hopes. I don't agree that expressing such hopes would jinx the >possibilities, >rather, I'm excited by such visions and hope others here would enjoy >speculating. Dreams Do come true, after all. Visualization is an essential >element >of magic which involves the dreamer, allowing her then to participate in >the >ensuing developments. Rejoice not only in the memories of XWP, but also in >the >pregnant possibility that all the elements that made XWP "Lightening in a >bottle" are going to be there in California in January(except for Kevin >Smith, >of course). This is the appropriate forum for such speculation. > I feel like saying, "Xena Lives!" > >.............................>>>God/dess Inspire!....>>>Carmon >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:05:57 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena Top 100 TV Characters On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Cheryl Ande wrote: Hey, Happy Thanksgiving!~ > Xena came in as 100. She came in behind Monk and the gang at CSI. And Monk's only been on for two years! I don't > know, I like CSI and the characters but if you talked to an average person on > the street and asked them to identify Xena or Gil Grissom I'd bet everyone > would know Xena and not Gil. Anyway 3 years after the show has been off and > exiled to Oxygen popular culture is rife with Xena references therefore I > think Xena should have been higher than a 100 . Perhaps they just though an X > ought to be last. Maybe they were counting up, not down? And hundred was the best? Yeah, that's it! > > As for number one it will have to be Lucy Ricardo. After fifty odd years I > Love Lucy is still going strong and is as funny as ever. > > CherylA That's what I thought--But we were wrong. You can see the whole list at http://www.bravotv.com/The_100_Greatest_TV_Characters/ And you can download the XWP part at Mary D's Excellent Site http://www.ausxip.com/screengrabs/bravoxena1104/bravoxena.html I got some comments to make. Next post. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:25:05 -0900 (AKST) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] bravo's 100 greatest TV Characters Boy, this is a really quirky list. I wish there had been some discussion of what criteria they used that made these folks qualify as the hundred greatest TV characters. (There's about 16 characters I can't identify at all. But I didn't have a television in the 70's nor much of the 80's.) I am amazed that Lucy Ricardo is not first. I figured that on any American TV character list, she'd be first and Ralph Kramden would be second. I thought it was POSSIBLE they might be reversed, but I didn't even think of Archie Bunker beating them out. The FONZ in fourth place? Jeeez. Perhaps even more because they don't list the criteria for making the cut, it's an interesting list to look at. Counting the characters I know (with no way of knowing where those unknown 16 go), at least half of the list (I came up with about 51) are characters from sitcoms/comedies. This number includes satirical cartoon shows like the Simpsons and Rocky and Bullwinkle, and sci-fi/fantasy comedy characters like Gomez and Morticia. Which now that I think about it, makes this a at least halfway frivolous list. Heh. And now I'm wondering further what they meant by "Great". It's a puzzlement to me. I got 14 detectives/police officers, but I bet some of the ones I don't know are detectives. There were only 8 serious sci-fi/fantasy characters I recognized: Xena 100; Dr. Smith 97 (Hmmm--was lost in Space serious?); Jamie Somers 88; Captain Picard 59; Scully and Mulder 33 (partnered in one slot); Mr. Spock 21; Buffy 13; Captain James Kirk 9. I'm surprised there weren't more characters from the Star Trek spin offs. Where's 7 of 9? She was one of the most intriguing characters in the whole franchise-a unique combination of innocence and imposed callousness. And my list would certainly include Cagney and Lacy, Pee-Wee Herman and Roy and Dale. Bugs Bunny didn't rate a slot?! Sacrilege! Sins of omission all over the galaxy! Some were real bright spots. A BIG yes for Emma Peel. Happy to see Ilya Kuryaken and Napolean Solo on there-I'd mostly forgotten about that show! Mick Belker was always fun to watch and Maynard G. Crebbs was a good time-capsule kind of character. I've always enjoyed Gomez and Mortica, far more than I enjoyed their show. Joe Friday, cool. Rocky and Bullwinkle, YAY! Murphy Brown, excellent choice for sure. (In 1996, Murphy and Xena were both on Monday nights in Fairbanks; Murphy at 9 pm, Xena at 10, though not on the same channel. It was estrogen heaven.) To me any mention on a positive list is all good, last place or not. But listening to the comments on Xena, I realized that she may be in a unique category all her own. Lucy's out there saying things like, "Xena was a woman in a very dangerous place. Morally, socially, mentally, emotionally, spiritually. Xena at first glance, it's a tits and ass show, it's an action show. It's quirky and cheesy and revels in it. However, that's not all there is to the show. At the heart of this kooky action is a search for redemption on the part of the lead character. Her drive is to be redeemed even though she knows deep down that that she is irredeemable. And the fact that she was a tough girl trying to be good only made her more appealing." Grrl knows her show. But what do the commentators know about her show? Josh Whedon: "Xena is hugely underrated. Both as a show and as a character." He doesn't offer an opinion on why she's so underrated. But I think there's a clue in what the other commentators say. Jaleel White. Family Matters: "Lucy Lawless was hot. I'll just leave it at that." Michael Ian Black (Actor, Comedian, nobody I know): "I watch it for the sarcasm." He starts to smile and jive, "I watch it for the irony." (? I THINK he says irony.) Then he shakes his head and smirks, "No, I watch it for Lucy Lawless' boobs." And good ol' Meathead, Rob Reiner, says, "Here's the thing. She can beat anybody up, but then she's really pretty too. And she's really sexy. What a combination. The kind of dominatrix a man would like to have around." What, they couldn't find any women to comment on Xena, how they'd waited their whole lives to see a strong, wondrous, biggest bad butt in her world woman like Xena on the screen? Or even how they also enjoyed the T&A? Noooooo, we got four guys commenting on Xena instead. And only one realizes that there's more to the show than meets the eye. The other three happily display how many people just never got past the surface impression that XWP gave off of being just a silly T&A eye-candy show. But let's look on the bright side. Xena was the ONLY T&A show character to make the list. YAY FOR XENA! (Again, unless some of those characters I don't know fit that category.) As we fans who did get past the surface pandering know, Xena's actually unique in other ways on this list also. She is literally the only tragic Greek hero. (Good thing Herc didn't make the list.) And therefore also the only hero who dies at the end. ("Bold choice" for TV indeed.) She also the only hero who's a villain, who's truly got the devil in her heart, and acknowledges it and struggles fiercely to redeem herself. Of course on my list, Xena is and I suspect always will be number one. (SHE'S NUMBER ONE!!!!) The best character I've ever run across in any filmed medium. Damn, do I miss watching her have new adventures every week. *Sigh* KT Almost wishing I was back in 1996 again tonight. . . ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:00:56 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Reality" [was Conquest -- and Friend in Need??] On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:28:28 +1300, cr wrote: >Arrg, don't bring that subjectivist-relativist nonsense into it. We''ve >been all over that :( It reflects my _opinion_. Or maybe my >wishful thinking. Not reality. Whatever..... - --*Ummm*.....Ife? You think Thel has been harassed by us liberal-arts types enough to learn his lesson? ;P LOL Do you think "reality" for "hard-science" types is different from "reality" for "liberal-arts" types? ;) *hehe!* And which was Xena? A "hard-science" type or a "liberal-arts" type? Lotsa times she went against conventional motion/plausibility "laws" and was almost spiritual in nature (Between The Lines, The Way). Other times she calculated distance, mobility, strength, etc. Only her hairdresser knows for sure......;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:48:11 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Questions about fan kit 1. What happened to putting the interviews up in adobe reader? I was saving them in that format which made it easy to print with the pictures. Has this been discontinued? At least give us a choice as to format. 2. In the episode guides the audio players don't always appear so you have to down load the clips and then play them after having read the article. Can this be fixed? CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:10:52 -0600 From: "Janice Stewart" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? I have to agree with Meredith on this. Early on I thought Gab was pretty annoying too. And even in later eps there were many times when she did things that I wished she hadn't. But even so, I quickly developed quite an affection for the irritating blonde, and I'm pretty sure I came to like her largely because Xena did. After awhile, I just figured that Xena musta been "lookin' through the eyes of love" 'cause Gabby certainly had plenty of shortcomings, but Xena seldom seemed to notice. Janice - ----- Original Message ----- > > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:35:34 -0500 > From: meredith > Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? > > Hi, > > cr wondered: > >>Well, I guess that's what strained my credulity in the first few eps - >>that >>Xena, Warrior Princess would tolerate a naive yet bumptious amateur who >>talked too much. M'Lila, now, I could credit as a sidekick. Akemi, >>too, >>because behind that mild exterior was a iron-hard sense of purpose and an >>ice-cool nerve as good as Xena's. Amarice, though she talked too much, >>knew >>what she was doing in a fight. But early Season 1 Gabs....? > > Maybe Xena just thought, despite herself, that the kid was cute. She > might > not have realized until much later that that's why she was tolerating the > irritating blonde, but deep down she just mighta had a crush on the girl. > :) > > > =============================================== > Meredith Tarr > New Haven, CT USA > mailto:meth@smoe.org > http://www.smoe.org/meth ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #301 **************************************