From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #298 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, December 12 2004 Volume 04 : Number 298 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? [cr In the film, the tough guy becomes > better when his idealisitc friend is killed; he sees the need for action > against the villains. In Xena, I'm afraid, the producers always felt that > if Xena had to do without Gabrielle, she would revert to nastiness. > I do think that evolved to the point where, certainly by Sin Trades, Xena recognized she had "a light of my own." Before that, Gabs did bop Xena (Ties That Bind) or persuade her to look for less violent alternatives (The Horde) when the WP started back-sliding. Xena was already on her journey to being a better person before she met Gabs. That quest might've been a lot more difficult without Gabs, but I never felt TPTB intended that Xena would revert to monsterism if Gabs disappeared. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 06:04:01 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Conquest -- and Friend in Need?? On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:30, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/9/2004 8:57:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > KLOSSNER9@aol.com writes: > > In the film, the tough guy becomes > > better when his idealisitc friend is killed; he sees the need for action > > against the villains. In Xena, I'm afraid, the producers always felt > > that if Xena had to do without Gabrielle, she would revert to nastiness. > > I do think that evolved to the point where, certainly by Sin Trades, Xena > recognized she had "a light of my own." Before that, Gabs did bop Xena > (Ties That Bind) or persuade her to look for less violent alternatives (The > Horde) when the WP started back-sliding. Xena was already on her journey > to being a better person before she met Gabs. That quest might've been a > lot more difficult without Gabs, but I never felt TPTB intended that Xena > would revert to monsterism if Gabs disappeared. > > -- Ife I think much of that was in response to the Gabfans' desire to have Gabrielle doing something important, and - until she became Gabzilla in Season 5 - she didn't have much to do in an action series, or at least, nothing very positive. So making Xena somehow dependent on her was one way of doing that. I think the Warrior Princess was much more self-sufficient than that, both when she was evil and when she reformed. My cynical view is that half that stuff she said to Gabs, she only said to keep Gabby off her back. "Yes dear, you're very important to me, I really do love you and by the way, have you seen where I left my golf clubs?" ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #298 **************************************