From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #249 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, October 12 2004 Volume 04 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: The Way [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Danielle Cormack on Intrepid Journeys Info [nzjester@i] [chakram-refugees] OT -- Amy Morrison question.... ["Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: The Way On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:58, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > Awww. I liked Hanuman best of all the characters in India. > > I thought (before I saw him) that the idea of a monkey as a god was kinda > > absurd - monkeys are ridiculous animals and could never be remotely > > god-like. > > > Till I saw Hanuman. He was a very dignified, sympathetic character, I > > really liked him. Good work TPTB. > > Yeah like I said he grew on me but frankly he just didn't seem to fit in > with the Xenaversa. Perhaps he reminded me too much of Planet of the Apes. > It is however odd that I felt The Way was somehow too fantastic since we > are used to seeing centaurs and harpies yet I couldn't accept flying > carpets (is that really an Indian image, it seems much more Arabic since > the flying carpet I believe derives from the prayer carpet) and monkey gods Well, this accords with my idea that the limits of what we will accept or find credible, are rather capricious and vary from individual to individual. As in my acceptance of Xena's 'leaps' but my inability to accept the balancing in the ladder fight in 'Callisto'. Or, that I fnd the stick-monster Grindl in the Ring trilogy quite convincing, but Dinsdale in A Family Affair, who is very similar in many ways, always looks to me like a guy in a rubber suit. What makes the difference is probably something very subtle, or maybe a number of things, and probably has more to do with my brain than with RenPics monster making department ;) > > I think it probably got introduced because Gabrielle (she who I believe > > you > > were prepared to argue was the true hero of the show? - see, I've read > > KT's > > account of Pasadena on the Whoosh list ) was heading off in a > > direction opposite to Xena's. Ever since Season 1 she had been getting > > steadily more pacifist. Season 4 was the logical conclusion. (And > > *anything*, taken to its logical conclusion, ends up being absurd - IMO!) > > Yes that was the arc TBTP set Gabby off on. I think of it as Gabrielle's > hippie stage. You know the period you grow your hair long, eat tofu, and > sing folk songs (I know I'm dating myself). Then you suddenly find out the > long hair is annoying, tofu is tasteless (unless it's fried and put in > garlic sauce) and you discover you will never learn more than tree cords on > the guitar. That's where we are with Gabby in the fourth season. > Thankfully I think by the end of Endgame she is beginning to realize her > new out look on life isn't working for her. Hmmm - though she still seems to be trying to apply it in Ides. Gabs and Eli happily chatting about doing nothing which Amarice sarcastically pointed out was not useful. (Of course, Gabs might as well do nothing since there wasn't anything much anyone could do at that moment). > > They could have showed a more credible and pragmatic brand of pacifism - > > or > > at least non-aggression. But then, that wouldn't have been so > > different from what Hercules and occasionally Xena were doing. (For > > someone who preached the avoidance of violence, it's amazing how often > > Herc had to whack villains - but that's another story....) > > > > Besides which, talking people out of violence is worthy but makes for > > rather boring television, I think. > > You're are right everyone sitting down to chat about their problems would > be boring. In fact in the first season or so of Star Trek TNG they kept > doing that and it was boring and unrealistic. People who are dead set on > war seldom get talked out of it as we have learned again recently. > > Hercules often did a good job of keeping Herc from resorting to violence > until all other options were exhausted. It never was as absurd as one of > my favorite shows of my youth, Kung Fu. Cain, the Chinese monk, was always > preaching peace and non-violence and then he usually always resorted to > kicking the crap out of everyone. > > CherylA Oh yes, Kung Fu. I used to find that too much to credit. It probably put me off Hong Kong movies for years. Since this was supposed to be in the Wild West (wasn't it?), I always wondered why, sooner or later, someone didn't just out with their Colt .45 and blast him. You see, I used to watch _real_ TV westerns, before all this non-violence kicked in (isn't a non-violent Western kind of an oxymoron?) - Maverick, Rawhide (with Clint Eastwood in a _supporting_ role, IIRC!) - doesn't that date me!! Though actually, the violence was very non-graphic - people got shot, they fell down. Cartoonish, almost. There was no blood. (Apropos of which, I remember listening to the director's commentary of a recent James Bond movie - the one with Isabella Scorupco in it IIRC (checks his hard drive) - yep, Goldeneye - and the director commented that they got away with a lot of violence without being censored because it was all 'action' and no blood. People being blown up all over the place but no dead bodies. And that's quite a valid point, I think. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:49:33 +1300 From: nzjester@ihug.co.nz Subject: [chakram-refugees] Danielle Cormack on Intrepid Journeys Info Danielle Cormack was on Intrepid Journeys on TV1 in NZ tonight It has NZ celebs making journeys to some less traveled areas of the Globe Danielle was visiting Syria and Jordan The following URL has information on the show Intrepid Journeys http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_index_skin/tvone_intrepid_journeys_group Danielle Cormack's Diary of her Journey will be put on the site soon now that her episode has been aired Pictures will also go on the site There are two good ones on there right now of her Pass on or forward this info to other lists if you wish ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:28:28 -0500 From: "Mark B." Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT -- Amy Morrison question.... My wife and I watched X-Men2 the other night [I know, I know, but better late than never] and the little girl who was behind Patrick Stewart when he was being mesmerized had a very distinctive voice. I didn't think that much about it at the time, but I suddenly realized that her voice sounded like Hope in the 'Maternal Instinct' ep. I tried looking up credits for X-Men2, but have had no luck. Does anyone know if that was her or not????? Thanks, Mark B. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 04:49 Subject: [chakram-refugees] Danielle Cormack on Intrepid Journeys Info > Danielle Cormack was on Intrepid Journeys on TV1 in NZ > tonight > It has NZ celebs making journeys to some less traveled areas > of the Globe > Danielle was visiting Syria and Jordan > The following URL has information on the show Intrepid > Journeys > http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_index_skin/tvone_intrepid_journeys_group > > Danielle Cormack's Diary of her Journey will be put on the > site soon now that her episode has been aired > > Pictures will also go on the site > There are two good ones on there right now of her > > Pass on or forward this info to other lists if you wish > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:21:03 EDT From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: The Way >yet I couldn't accept flying > carpets (is that really an Indian image, it seems much more Arabic >since the flying carpet I believe derives from the prayer carpet I understand that many of the Arabian Nights tales origniated in India and were passed on to Europe through the Arabs, therefore are known to Westerners as the Arabian Nights. I don't know whether flying carpets were Indian or Arab, but I would say that putting the carpet in an Indian tale is a typically erudite RenPic move. Xena's producers and principal writers knew ancient history, lore and mythology well and knew that you have to know a subject in order to play with it and popularize it. The difference between RenPic and Old Hollywood is that when Old Hollywood made a historical film they always claimed it was very accurate, when it almost always was not. RenPic always admitted that they changed whatever they wanted to. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #249 **************************************