From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #192 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, July 27 2004 Volume 04 : Number 192 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Re: End Game [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: End Game [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Endgame [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Random thoughts on Ides [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Endgame [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] The Way [Lee Daley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:04:22 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: End Game On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:01, Cheryl Ande wrote: > > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 01:23:18 +1200 > > From: cr > > Subject: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. > > > > Discussing Endgame on another list, there's a little YAXI that's surfaced > > in it. Yep, we've found a new YAXI!! 8-) > > > > I was pondering whether Gabrielle's offer of a peace treaty was genuine, > > or a > > move by Xena to show Brutus how megalomaniacal Caesar was. Did she know > > he'd burn the treaty? Or was she having a bob each way, if he accepted > > it, > > it helped the Amazons, if he burnt it, it unsettled Brutus. (No YAXIs > > so far :). > > I think the treaty was a ploy. Brutus was certain through out the episode > that Caesar was honorable and only wanted peace in the empire. With the > treaty Xena is showing Brutus what Caesar's real motivations are - power - > not Rome's power but his own. Brutus is really proud of that treaty - it > guarantees peace between Rome and the Amazons which would be good for Rome. > When Caesar burns it without even reading it Brutus learns two things about > Caesar. The first that Caesar is only concerned about his own power - he > wants the Amazons under his rule and he doesn't care a whit about the good > of the nation. Secondly he learns what Caesar actually thinks about him > personally - Caesar has no regard at all for Brutus's opinions or his > accomplishments. He rudely and arrogantly dismisses Brutus efforts - he > doesn't even bother to look at the treat Brutus has negotiated. This is > the beginning of Brutus's eventual betrayal of Caesar. It is said every > murder begins with an insult and here Caesar insults Brutus by dismissing > his judgment as unimportant. Yes, that is all true so far as Brutus is concerned, _but_ it implies that Xena was ready to, as I said, 'drop Brutus in it'. By telling Brutus not to mention her and then giving him a treaty that would tip Caesar off. I don't think that was Xena's intention, but there was a high probability that it could have been the result. > Now of course if Caesar had accepted the treaty then Xena would have been > wrong about Caesar but the Amazons would have been safe. Agreed. > As for > Gabrielle's name being on the treaty maybe Caesar never would have > connected Queen Gabrielle with that annoying blond who follows Xena around. > Maybe Caesar didn't even know her name - I don't think he ever called her > by name. Gabrielle would have just the kind of person would have flown > under Caesar's radar. She was never a threat to him or so he thinks so he > probably never gave her a second thought. He would have never thought of > her as a queen and certainly never as a queen of a nation of warriors. > CherylA Agreed on Caesar' likely opinion of Gabrielle - _except_ that she was a known associate of Xena's and Caesar was obsessive about Xena. (Of course, in Ides he certainly knew her importance to Xena but that doesn't count since Callisto tipped him off anyway). But - way back in When in Rome, Caesar certainly knew enough of Gabrielle - or her character - to use her nickname 'irritating blonde'. And Pompey knew her name: POMPEY Huh. Caesar has no intention of trading Vercinix for Crassus. And more than that he sent Brutus out to find your friend, Gabrielle. XENA You mean Crassus. POMPEY No, it's your friend he wants. He seems to think she has some sort of power over you. He wants that power. So it's very likely that Caesar knew her name too. (In fact, from Pompey's words, there is an implication that Caesar and Brutus knew by name who Brutus was searching for). In fact, a little later - oh, here we go - CAESAR Brilliant! Xena brings Crassus into Rome, right under my nose. It's the last place I'd look. And the girl, Gabrielle? BRUTUS Apparently, still with Crassus. Their tracks were easy to follow until we got into Rome. So there you are. Caesar not only knew Gabrielle by name, he knew she was important to Xena (long before Callisto reminded him in Ides). Now, in Endgame, Caesar had reports that Xena was in the area; he knew that Gabrielle had been a key accomplice in freeing Vercinix and getting Crassus executed; so I think, if he'd seen 'Gabrielle' on the treaty, he would have immediately jumped to the right conclusion. He also knew enough about Gabrielle's whereabouts for Brutus to pick her up quite easily in Ides. Now, did Xena know how much Caesar knew? Notwithstanding that she told Brutus to keep quiet, she must have suspected that Roman reports of sighting her would leak back to Caesar. Did she know that Caesar knew about her and Gabs? Yes, because she had Pompey's statement in WIR that Caesar had sent Brutus off to find her. And, Brutus recognised her in Endgame: GABRIELLE Hello, Brutus. BRUTUS Gabrielle, they told me you were the new leader of this tribe. GABRIELLE Thanks to you. You killed Ephiny, our queen. My friend. BRUTUS Ephiny, that was her name. One of the best fighters I've met. She died as a warrior. And for that, I have no guilt in my actions. Note that Brutus knew Gabs by sight. Also that, when his spies reported she was the new leader, he knew exactly who they meant. And also, that up to that moment he apparently didn't know Ephiny's name. So if Brutus's information on Gabrielle was that good, it would be a reasonable bet that Caesar's was fairly good too. So, with respect, either Gabrielle must have signed the treaty with a false (or no) name, or the YAXI survives intact. Go YAXI ! :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 19:26:05 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. That would, indeed, make the YAXI go away, though it would be a departure, I think, from normal diplomatic processes wherein a signatory puts both their name and their position. (Incidentally, even though Gabs might have abdicated, I think such a treaty would still be binding on her legal successors, so her name would not have been any legal obstacle. It would of course have been a major practical obstacle if Caesar saw it :) cr On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 02:52, Xena Torres wrote: > I'd have to vote that Gabs just signed it "The Queen of the Amazons" > BECAUSE she handed the position over at Ephiny's funeral, > LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG before they would have gotten a reply from Caesar (if he > had bothered to send one). It seems silly to sign her name, when she knew > she wouldn't be there to see it through, because she KNEW she wouldn't be > staying. > BATTLE ON XENA! > > Xena Torres: Warrior Writer > http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome > > "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the > sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" > > > > > > > From: cr > > >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > >Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. > >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:26:09 +1200 > > > >On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:42, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > > >(snip) > > > > > > Remember Xena tells Brutus not to let Caesar know she had a hand in > > > >the > > > > > > defeat of Pompey: > > > > XENA If you wanna stay alive don't mention my name to Caesar. The > > > >plan > > > > > > was yours. > > > > > > > > Well, she must have known the treaty signed by Gabs would be a dead > > > > giveaway. > > > > (So must Brutus if he thought about it). Caesar knows very well who > > > > Gabs is. > > > > Did Xena just forget? But she doesn't forget things like that! > > > > > > > > Or did Gabby just sign with her title, not her name? That would be > > > > a very odd way to sign a document though, normally such things would > > > > be signed with > > > > > > > > both name and title. > > > > > > > > Suggestions, anybody? ;) > > > > > > As to Caesar, there's no reason he'd connect Gabs with "the Amazon > > > >Queen," > > > > > unless Brutus had confirmed that Xena was in the area. After all, she > > > seldom funtioned as the Queen or stayed with the Amazons. It's also > > > possible Caesar didn't know Ephiny had been killed, so assumed she or > > > someone else was the leader. I didn't get the impression he cared > > > about Amazon politics anyway - only whether or not these nameless, > > > >inconvenient > > > > > women stood between him and what he wanted. > > > >My point was, that *if* Caesar had read the treaty, (and if Gabrielle had > >signed it with her name, which is almost invariable I think), he would > > have known instantly who the Amazon Queen was and suspected - well, with > > his Xenaparanoia, been instantly certain - that Xena had a hand in > > things. > > > >Which is precisely what Xena warned Brutus _not_ to tell Caesar. > > > > > I think Xena/Gabs left it up to Brutus as to what or how much he would > > > reveal. The fact that he didn't name Gabs suggested that he was > > > heeding Xena's cautions about that, possibly harboring his own > > > suspicions. > > > >Possibly that, but more likely just being ceremonious - because he must > >have > >realised that Caesar would know Gabrielle was involved as soon as Caesar > >read > >the treaty (which is what he was expecting Caesar to do). > > > > > If Gabs > > > did sign her name, maybe Brutus wanted to see how Caesar would react, > > > >once > > > > > he'd read the treaty. But Caesar was slick in burning it first. At > > > >that > > > > > point, he may have been less concerned about Xena -- a known enemy -- > > > >than > > > > > about whether Brutus had become a snake in Caesar's lair. > > > >Yes, I thought his question to Brutus reeked of suspicion. But he seemed > >to > >accept Brutus's answer about Xena not being in the area. That answer, by > >the way, was decided on by Brutus _after_ he saw Caesar burning the > > treaty. > > > > > Quite possibly all that was left purposely vague to set us up for > > > future events. It left us guessing about Brutus' motivations, as well > > > as about whether Caesar was "playing him" -- suspicious of him and/or > > > of Xena and Gabrielle's involvement. I liked that Xena gave Brutus a > > > "heads up," > > > >let > > > > > Gabs have a chance for a peaceful resolution, > > > >Here's the problem. Surely Xena would have realised that, if Caesar read > >'Gabrielle, Amazon Queen' on the treaty, Caesar would immediately see red > >(or > >rather, see 'Xena'), and that would not only drop Brutus in it, but kybosh > >the treaty. And Caesar would certainly read the treaty before signing > > it. > > > >So maybe Xena told Gabs to sign a different name. > > > > > yet basically figured none of > > > that would really matter, if Caesar was determined to eliminate anyone > > > >on > > > > > his path to domination. Xena's goal was pretty simple -- begin working > > > >on > > > > > what she saw as Ceasar's weakest link -- Brutus. His hesitancy in > > > >telling > > > > > Ceasar the truth indicates that Xena accomplished this. > > > > > > -- Ife > > > >A further point - if Xena knew that reading 'Gabrielle' on the treaty > > would tip Caesar off, then telling Brutus not to mention her would just > > drop Brutus > >even further in it. Now I wouldn't put it past Xena to do that to > >someone, > >but I don't think that was her intention with Brutus - he seemed to be an > >honourable opponent, and while Xena was capable of using him, I don't > > think she wished him gratuitous harm. Which would certainly have > > befallen him if > >Caesar had asked him about Xena first, then read 'Gabrielle' on the > >treaty... > > > >cr > >========================================================= > >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > >========================================================= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special > stationery, fonts and colors. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=ht >tp://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the > benefits of MSN. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:43:33 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: End Game In a message dated 7/25/2004 7:03:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, candex@verizon.net writes: <<> Secondly he learns what Caesar actually thinks about him > personally - Caesar has no regard at all for Brutus's opinions or his > accomplishments. He rudely and arrogantly dismisses Brutus efforts - he > doesn't even bother to look at the treat Brutus has negotiated. This is the > beginning of Brutus's eventual betrayal of Caesar. It is said every murder > begins with an insult and here Caesar insults Brutus by dismissing his > judgment as unimportant. >> Oooo, excellent point! <<> As for Gabrielle's > name being on the treaty maybe Caesar never would have connected Queen > Gabrielle with that annoying blond who follows Xena around. Maybe Caesar > didn't even know her name - I don't think he ever called her by name. > Gabrielle would have just the kind of person would have flown under Caesar's > radar. She was never a threat to him or so he thinks so he probably never > gave her a second thought. He would have never thought of her as a queen > and certainly never as a queen of a nation of warriors. >> I agree with you on that. Gabs was no more to Caesar than a pawn -- Xena's little friend. Her awe of him the one time she was in his presence (Deliverer) certainly wouldn't clue him in to her true abilities, especially given the particular arrogance he expressed toward women (i.e., the "sensibilities" thing) and toward the greatest female opponent he'd ever faced. > CherylA > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:43:38 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Endgame In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:03:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 07:24, A. Reddecliffe wrote:rt she played in their > history both > >How about : > >Power? Inspiration? Role model? > > > >Of these, I think I would choose role model. She had amazon qualities, > >recognised even from her first meeting with the Cyane and the Amazons in > >Sin Trade. Once she got through the evil phase she was the embodiment of > >what many Amazons would like to be. > > Hmmm, I would have to (respectfully) disagree on two counts. > > The first, role model - well, the Amazons actually didn't seem to take much > notice of her, much of the time, so while Xena may (on her good days :) have > > been a worthy role model, the Amazons don't seem to have recognised her as > such. Possibly the Northern Amazons did a little more than the Greek.>> Um, in Hooves, Melosa says right off the bat that she knows of Xena. She speaks admiringly of Xena's battle at Corinth with the Centaurs, as tho any leader worth her salt would've studied that battle. What I got was the feeling that the Amazons admired her abilities (warlording notwithstanding), but felt some distance or tension because Xena did her own thing. Sort of, "She's the greatest woman warrior we know of and should be one of us but doesn't want to play with us." - - Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:43:36 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Random thoughts on Ides In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:03:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Someone remarked that one of Amarice's functions was to disagree with Eli, > since neither Gabs nor Xena were going to. I guess that's one reason I > like her, somebody has to point out when the holy man is talking twaddle. > ;) > And the twaddle certainly reaches a peak in the condemned cell when Gabs and > > Eli are congratulating each other on doing nothing. I rather suspect the > writers put that in just to make more contrast with the Gabspaz.>> Hmmm. Do you mean *you* saw it as "twaddle"? I never felt the writers did, short shrift that it might've gotten compared to the fighting. I thought it was in character for Eli to act as he did and for Gabs to emulate him. Remember, when Indrijit captured her and Eli, she almost let Indrijit win by allowing him into her head. Given that she was weaponless in Ides, with a group of pacifists, I doubt she thought listening to hot-headed Amarice would do much. She had faith in Xena, which Amarice did not. Once Xena lay helpless, Gabs didn't see inner peace as a useful alternative. As for Eli, in Fallen Angels we learn that his appearing to nothing included prayers which in fact accomplished more than swords ever could. > > Though, Amarice's questioning doesn't stop at Eli and Gabs, she was quite > ready to question Xena's decisions on occasion. In the past that was > usually done by Gabrielle, but Gabs' questions were usually dictated by > morality. Amarice's questions were strictly practical. >. And often short-sighted. :-) Mind you, I liked that she pointed out the contradictory (some might say hypocritical) aspects in X&G. However, as adults, X& G had experienced the "grays" of trying to fight for good against evil. Amarice still had the black-and-white view of the young -- unable to appreciate G's courage and wisdom or X's strategic thinking and choice of violence as a last resort. I should add that "adult" and "young" are not to me necessarily tied to chronological age. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:43:40 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Minor YAXI in Endgame. In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:03:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Here's the problem. Surely Xena would have realised that, if Caesar read > 'Gabrielle, Amazon Queen' on the treaty, Caesar would immediately see red > (or > rather, see 'Xena'), and that would not only drop Brutus in it, but kybosh > the treaty. And Caesar would certainly read the treaty before signing it. > > > So maybe Xena told Gabs to sign a different name.>> I think you may be placing too much importance on that. I haven't rewatched this ep yet, but I remember Gabs and Brutus discussing Xena's unfriendly relationship with Caesar. I got the impression Gabs was suggesting the treaty might carry more weight with Caesar precisely because it would mean Xena supported it. What wasn't clear to me was whether she actually believed that, or said it soley for Brutus' benefit, in terms of giving him confidence that the treaty would be honored. I also wasn't clear how much Xena had to do with the treaty idea -- whether she was simply supporting Gabs. Either way, what harm could it do, even if Gabrielle signed her name? If it didn't work, the Amazons wouldn't be in any more jeopardy with Caesar than they were without Xena's involvement. Brutus might be, but only if he chose to present it and be concerned about Caesar's response. > Xena's goal was pretty simple -- begin working on > >what she saw as Ceasar's weakest link -- Brutus. His hesitancy in telling > >Ceasar the truth indicates that Xena accomplished this. > > > >-- Ife > > A further point - if Xena knew that reading 'Gabrielle' on the treaty would > tip Caesar off, then telling Brutus not to mention her would just drop > Brutus > even further in it. Now I wouldn't put it past Xena to do that to someone, > > but I don't think that was her intention with Brutus - he seemed to be an > honourable opponent, and while Xena was capable of using him, I don't think > she wished him gratuitous harm. Which would certainly have befallen him if > > Caesar had asked him about Xena first, then read 'Gabrielle' on the > treaty...>> Remember, Brutus' main mission was to defeat Pompey. I think that's what Xena's mainly referring to when she says to leave her out of it. Brutus could have the glory and stay in Caesar's favor, both of which would be threatened by revealing that Xena had actually beheaded Pompey. If Brutus had settled for that, not bothered with the treaty, he'd have simply been "Caesar's boy," carrying out Caesar's orders to the letter. Or Brutus could've tried to impress Caesar by "thinking," by showing initiative beyond his primary mission. Xena would figure Caesar wouldn't want someone under him "thinking," that he might suspect that person of having ambitions. But I believe Xena considered Brutus the "weak link" precisely because he seemed honorable, because he believed in Caesar as a good leader (not a megalomanic or despot). She may have thought it more likely that Brutus would offer the treaty because he cared about avoiding unnecessary wars, spilling Roman or Amazon blood for nothing. She knew Caesar wouldn't care about that, which would be Brutus' cue that neither he (as Cheryl pointed out), nor Romans were as important to Caesar as what Caesar wanted. The treaty was a test which Caesar flunked in Brutus' eyes and Brutus flunked in Caesar's eyes. Brutus seemed to believe the treaty was mutually beneficial. If Caesar had accepted it regardless of who signed it, Brutus would've been reassured of Caesar's motivations and respect for Brutus. If Caesar had rejected it because he recognized Gabrielle as Xena's friend, then Brutus would've questioned Caesar's judgment. By not even reading it, Caesar questioned Brutus' judgment and dismissed any option other than war. Then, by bringing up the rumors about Xena, he subtly let Brutus know that Brutus himself was being tested. Xena knew Brutus was prominent and respected enough that Caesar probably wouldn't kill him outright, even if Brutus did mention Xena. She gave Brutus enough rope to distance himself from Caesar, which might weaken Caesar's position, or to hang himself and/or Caesar. Did she use him? Yes, to the extent that she figured Caesar wouldn't go for the treaty no matter how reasonable it was or who signed it. No, because Brutus already knew of the bad blood between Xena and Caesar, and whether Caesar might make any connections to "Queen Gabrielle." (I'm assuming Brutus would've reviewed the signed treaty.) No, in that Brutus would only offer it for his own motivations -- to spare Romans, to enhance his own rep and/or to prove to himself that Caesar was the "friend" and leader Brutus believed in. Xena was interested in the Brutus/Caesar dynamic, which I believe she figured the treaty would weaken if only because Brutus had the integrity, naivete and/or ambition to offer it. > -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 04:43:37 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Endgame In a message dated 7/25/2004 4:03:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > That was probably part of it too, that you weren't the sort of fumbling > idiot > so to speak. > (ROC contributed part of that last sentence). > ROC: It all worked out because Gabrielle had to evolve. How could she not > learn things from Xena? > > I think the 'that' makes a subtle difference in emphasis. IMO that was all > > (including the 'fumbling idiot') referring to Gabrielle, or her past > characterisation, not to Amarice. One could doubt Amarice's judgement but > no way could one call her 'fumbling' - just watch her fight in Endgame and > in > the Roman fort in Ides - she's darn near as good as Xena. She knows how to > > look after herself. > I agree that Lucy was speaking of Gabrielle, but I also believe she was referring to Amarice in the "fumbling" aspect. She certainly was "fumbling" in terms of her identity as an Amazon, her ability to be part of a community, and her judgment about when to talk/run/fight. Yes, she was good at self-preservation on her own, but could be a danger to herself and others when in a group setting. She was a child in many ways -- potentially more dangerous precisely because of her lethal combat skills. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 21:15:44 -0400 From: Lee Daley Subject: [chakram-refugees] The Way Given some very nice presents for my birthday (55), I actually can burn DVD's. My learning project was "The Way" as originally aired (uncut?) in the NYC Metro area. The only problem is that the original tape has developed a slight "pop hiss" Wish digital today's digital technology was available back then. The DVD image seems to be about 1.5 gig, so posting it somewhere is a problem. But the old "record and mail" that has served us so well in the past is still an option. Let me know. LeeD; Warrior Jester ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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