From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #166 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, June 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] DVD S4 Disc 9 [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Yet another Xener mention [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade [cr ] RE: [chakram-refugees] Jennifer Skye in CSI Miami? ["bookdaft" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade ["Xena Torres" ] [chakram-refugees] Re: SIn Trade ["Cheryl Ande" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:25:50 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] DVD S4 Disc 9 I got my S4 DVD from Best Buy today. All I can say is, "Wow." The first disc I played was 9, which has lots of extras. The one with martial arts master Douglas Wong answered one of the first questions I asked (and hadn't been previously answered) way back in 1996, when I got online. I'd noticed Xena did lots of things with both hands and wondered if Lucy was naturally ambidextrous, if she'd learned to use both hands because she thought Xena would, and/or was it because shot angles sometimes required it. Wong said he taught most actors to use their right hands, since that was usually their dominant hand. He said he'd show Lucy what to do, she'd sit and meditate for a few mintures, then do what he'd taught her using her left hand, all on her own. He says she was "just amazing" in her ability to pick up what he was teaching, that "she adapted so many ways. Her head was so wide open." Lucy always downplays her stunt abilities and talks about liking that least. Wong's comments really highlight just how phenomenal she was both naturally and because of her determination. Secondly, I really enjoyed the commentary by the woman who talks about shamans and relates various practices to Sin Trade. What was weird is that she has that same speech "impediment" or pattern that Lucy used for Priestess Leah -- e.g., "wawwea women." She seemed pretty familiar with XWP, so I hope she'd seen that particular ep. Finally, a question. In the segment on "Between the Lines," they show an alternate design for the chakram atop a cross that Xena draws on her foot at the end. This one has the chakram sitting atop what looks like maybe it's supposed to be crossed staffs. Anybody else have ideas about that? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:29:13 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade In a message dated 6/23/2004 8:44:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: > >And it was cool the way Xena shook her hands at them (putting a hex on > >them?) as they >approached. > > That always has, and still, confused me. She was doing that hand thing over > the Young Woman's body, so I don't think it was a negative thing to the > thugs, but I have NO idea. I wish the featurette had touched on it. >> I thought she was trying to ward or warn the guys off in her shaman way. I like the hex idea as suggested above, especially since she figured they were the perpetrators. Whatever, I saw the hand shaking as separate from what she was doing with the dead girl -- directed toward the men. > > >Question for people - does the West Coast black sand (which varies from > >black > >to grey to light fawn depending on the angle of the sun and the cloud > >cover) > >add to or detract from scenes like these? > > I have ALWAYS LOVED the look of the black sand. So original looking. NZ is > the perfect backdrop. But, yes, it was especially nice for this ep, and > cheers to TJ for noticing and giving those nice wide shots, which are pretty > > rare for Xena fight scenes. >> I agree. For me, the sand was very evocative of Xena's emotions and journey - -- as was the rain and other aspects of the landscape. I loved how they found settings that mirrored the particular story. And in Sin Trade, the changing weather and lighting were like other characters when Xena was alone. They provided "action" on one hand, yet contributed to the sense that Xena had become one with her environment on the other. Masterful. > > >Doesn't time fly when you're watching the best ep of Xena? > > You know, you can write the longest reviews you want. We all know that you > love these eps the most not because of their quality, but because there is > no Gabs. ;) :D > I can't speak for anybody else, but to me Sin Trade comes in right behind Debt for excellence on all levels. Xena's my girl, but I greatly value what Gabs brings to the dynamic. It's awesome to me that Lucy pulled off what she did without ROC. Kudos go to the wonderful supporting cast and direction. The storyline was also quite ambitious, and I think Xenastaff did a marvelous job. I haven't watched it on my DVD yet, but I expect to get the chills I always do at the end, when Xena rides off into the sunset to that Western music, having survived one of her worst nightmares and seeing hope in the vision of another. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:03:39 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Yet another Xener mention Inexplicably, the Summer 2004 issue of Ms. Magazine just showed up in my mailbox with my name and address on it. The last time I had a subscription to Ms. that I knew about, XWP was brand new and Lucy was on the cover. (This happens to us fairly regularly--we have no idea who gives these magazines our names and address.) Anyway, on page 65 is an article called "Taking Back the Whip" by Jessica Seigel. It's about how she is learning to use a whip. She's being taught by the Lady Cavaliers, "a not-for-profit action theater company created to promote a stronger female image through the art of stage combat." They're based in New York. I wonder if they carry their whips on the subway? And if so, does anybody notice? Seigel says, "When it comes to women and whips, the cliches are super-sized, despite the rise of pop culture heroines armed with myriad weaponry in films and TV shows like 'Kill Bill', 'Alias', 'Charlie's Angels', 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and the pioneering 'Xena, Warrior Princess' to name a few." Pioneering. I like that. There's a picture of Lucy as Xena that's kind of weirdly cropped--she's on a horse (not shown) and her right arm is raised but her hand is also out of the picture. So she may or may not be using her whip--who can say? She's got a fierce, wild Xena face and is wearing her Hercules Guest Star outfit. As another coincidence, the article says that the theater company has performed a work on "the real-life Irish pirate Grace O'Malley". KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:06:38 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 03:33, Xena Torres wrote: > >Notice the way T J Scott kept the camera moving all the time, > > I know you don't like Gab, but I hope that doesn't extend to Renee. > Watch/listen to her commentary for "Deja Vu" as she refers to TJ a lot, > since he was the director she was shadowing. She did make a comment about > how TJ does indeed always like to have things moving, whether it's the > actors or the characters. I certainly don't dislike Renee. I think she's probably a very nice person. I don't think she's in Lucy's class as an actor (just my opinion, OK?). I do respect her and LL both for the happy atmosphere that prevailed on set. A lot of co-stars, after six years, would have been pushing for a bigger share of the limelight (I recall stories of 'Charlie's Angels' where the three leads all had to have exactly equal time on screen). It's very much to ROC's credit and LL's that nothing like that ever happened on XWP. Listening to the interviews, I was a tad miffed that we were hearing this from ROC and not from TJ himself - this shouldn't be taken as anything against ROC, just minor chagrin at not hearing from TJ. ROC wasn't 'down the mountain', either, anyway. Hearing from the cameraman was a small compensation. > >And a kind of hidden-camera documentary feeling with it. > > Ooooh! You're RIGHT! TJ rocks. I've always been a big fan of his directing. > And his wife rules in this ep too! (go Vicky, go Vicky!) > > >Really, this is the ep LoDuca should have got an Emmy for. Not best > > music or best songs, but >best soundtrack. > > Wasn't he nominated? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, Xena was nominated for > songs for "The Bitter Suite" and then for soundtracks for AITST and "Fallen > Angel" which he took the emmy home for. D'you mean he got the Emmy for the two eps, or just for FA? I'm pleased he got an Emmy but it should be obvious which ep I think deserved it most :) > Yes, Sin Trade and Debt are some of > my fav musical wise, and it ticks me off that very little of the fine music > from this eps made it onto the soundtracks. Three from Sin and I think two > or three from Debt (I REALLY want that song that played in "The Debt" > during the Xena/Lao Ma bottle scene. Oooh, creepy.) > > >And it was cool the way Xena shook her hands at them (putting a hex on > >them?) as they >approached. > > That always has, and still, confused me. She was doing that hand thing over > the Young Woman's body, so I don't think it was a negative thing to the > thugs, but I have NO idea. I wish the featurette had touched on it. Yes, I noticed that, she was doing the same to the dead amazon as to the thugs. Maybe it means 'Rest in Peace' ;) Or maybe it's just a gesture that goes with casting a spell, and the spell may vary (depending whether it's directed at the Amazon or the thugs) while the gesture stays the same. > >Alti, looking evil as only Alti could, with a sort of brooding menace. > >Claire was perfect for the part. > > YEAH CLAIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alti is never as good as she was the first > time (as much as I love her in BTL and TBTB) Agreed. (This is in contrast to Callisto, who got better as she went on). > >These Amazons may be young but they're not squeamish. Excellent acting by > >these two. > > I LOVED Kate Elliot in this ep. I also really enjoyed her in TBTB. But I > gotta wonder why her acting was weak in "Lifeblood" As the ghost of Yakut? Well, she didn't really have anyone to interact with in that ep. She was just a spook. > and downright SUCKED on > "Cleopatra 2525." Lily, YIKES! Maybe the role didn't suit her. Besides, Lily was a weak character IIRC, whereas Yakut was a fairly strong one. > >nice acting by LL. > > Lucy rocked this ep! You GO GRRL! > > >and the Ewokazons all go "ooh" - > > ROTFLMAO! I LOVE that! I laughed SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard when I saw > that! Still do. > > >Xena looks so cool in her fur coat (all except the little Bambi antlers, > >which are regrettably cute). > > Well, now we know the antlers house her soul according to the featurette. > But yes, her alters made her look 'cute.' I think because her antlers were > really high on her head and straight up, while Alti's were more to the > side. Also, Xena's outfit was a LOT lighter than Alti's which made the > antlers stand out more too. Cause Alti's antlers DON'T look cute! ;) Agreed. Haven't watched the featurette yet. A pleasure I still have to come. > >Question for people - does the West Coast black sand (which varies from > >black > >to grey to light fawn depending on the angle of the sun and the cloud > >cover) > >add to or detract from scenes like these? > > I have ALWAYS LOVED the look of the black sand. So original looking. NZ is > the perfect backdrop. But, yes, it was especially nice for this ep, and > cheers to TJ for noticing and giving those nice wide shots, which are > pretty rare for Xena fight scenes. Did you notice the old post-and-wire fence in the background? It was also in the background when she rose away from Argo at the start. Much more noticeable (like the rain) in the DVD, due to the extra clarity of the picture. > >Doesn't time fly when you're watching the best ep of Xena? > > You know, you can write the longest reviews you want. We all know that you > love these eps the most not because of their quality, but because there is > no Gabs. ;) :D > BATTLE ON XENA! No, not true. Not entirely true anyway ;) I love the ep for its atmosphere and its intensity. Since you bring it up, the presence of Gabs would possibly have diluted that, i.e. taken attention away from Xena (quite aside from the fact that the plot required her to be missing). If I wanted to be very cynical about my ranking Sin Trade as No 1, I could say the absence of Gabs was necessary but not sufficient. But actually, that statement wouldn't be entirely true anyway. As a counter-example, I also love Sacrifice and A Necessary Evil, in both of which Gabs features prominently. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:19:24 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:29, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > I have ALWAYS LOVED the look of the black sand. So original looking. NZ > > is the perfect backdrop. But, yes, it was especially nice for this ep, > > and cheers to TJ for noticing and giving those nice wide shots, which are > > pretty > > > > rare for Xena fight scenes. >> > > I agree. For me, the sand was very evocative of Xena's emotions and > journey -- as was the rain and other aspects of the landscape. I loved how > they found settings that mirrored the particular story. And in Sin Trade, > the changing weather and lighting were like other characters when Xena was > alone. They provided "action" on one hand, yet contributed to the sense > that Xena had become one with her environment on the other. Masterful. Yes! Atmospheric. Some poor second unit cameraman must have had some cold lonely days getting all that stuff on film. Someone in the interviews (was it the cameraman?) commented that fades are often cheesy, but the ones in Sin Trade were excellent - I have to agree. > > >Doesn't time fly when you're watching the best ep of Xena? > > > > You know, you can write the longest reviews you want. We all know that > > you love these eps the most not because of their quality, but because > > there is no Gabs. ;) :D > > I can't speak for anybody else, but to me Sin Trade comes in right behind > Debt for excellence on all levels. Xena's my girl, but I greatly value > what Gabs brings to the dynamic. It's awesome to me that Lucy pulled off > what she did without ROC. Kudos go to the wonderful supporting cast and > direction. The storyline was also quite ambitious, and I think Xenastaff > did a marvelous job. I haven't watched it on my DVD yet, but I expect to > get the chills I always do at the end, when Xena rides off into the sunset > to that Western music, having survived one of her worst nightmares and > seeing hope in the vision of another. > > -- Ife Yes, that musical phrase gets to me too. But I'm getting ahead of myself, I still have to pop Part 2 on the player and give my impressions ;) I think you'll be pleased when you watch it on DVD, it certainly seems to have extra clarity compared with the taped ex-TV versions I have. This is something I didn't really notice in the Season 3 DVD's, probably simply because the mountain scenery and wide open spaces of Sin Trade make this clarity more obvious than in an 'ordinary' ep. I would expect the same to apply in The Debt, too, but I didn't notice it so much there, possibly because the mountains in the background were less distinctive, possibly because they're not on-screen for as much time as they are in Sin Trade. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:19:22 -0400 From: "bookdaft" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Jennifer Skye in CSI Miami? Yes that was Jennifer Sky. She had a fairly major role in the episode. bd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of IfeRae@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:19 AM To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: [chakram-refugees] Jennifer Skye in CSI Miami? I've never watched CSI Miami, but happened to catch a portion of it tonight. One of the women playing a young porn star looked so familiar. I could swear she was Jennifer Skye. I missed the credits. Anybody else see the ep? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:47:25 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade 2 It was curious that, at the time, a number of people who really liked Sin Trade 1, didn't like ST2 at all - and vice versa. It was as if they detected a whole different feel to the episodes - yet they had the same writer, same director. Myself, I could never see a huge difference, but then I always tend to lump double-spiesodes together as one long episode. If anything, I do prefer Sin Trade 1, because of its marvellously atmospheric first ten minutes. Anyway, Sin Trade 2..... Cool trick of Cyane's, to whip all Xena's clothes off before Xena could stop her. The even cooler trick was to do it without ripping them :) Nice entrance for Borias - 'That woman you're trying to kill - she's with me'. I do like Sheeri Rappaport's acting when she raises the little question of Xena having killed her father - carefully looking at nothing in particular and trying to sound matter-of-fact about - very nicely done, very real. 'Xena. Xena, um, there's something that you might not remember that I've been wanting... ' Interesting that it's Xena who appoints Yakut as the new shamaness. (And eventual chief of the tribe). Xena must have recognised some qualities of initiative in Yakut. Yakut looks a little bewildered by it all. There's some more marvellously hypnotic drumming as Alti conjures up spirits of the dead in her tent. Xena's faced with a very tricky situation when the spirits invade the Amazons and they start attacking her - she really doesn't want to damage them to much. There's a nice contrast between the cheeky, self-confident look of the Xena arguing with Cyane in the flashbacks, and the haunted look of today's Xena leading the young Amazons. As we find out later, she has terrible things on her conscience. The battle of will between Alti and Cyane doesn't really work very well on screen - all we get is them going bug-eyed at each other. Still, it was always going to be difficult to portray on screen. The best bit was Xena's reaction, running over to Alti as if concerened for her welfare, but actually more interested in how Cyane had done it to her. As RT or was it ROC noted in the interviews, Gabs' face on the spider is a very cheesy effect, it always reminded me of something but I could never figure out what - I've just realised, with that weird hairstyle she looks just like Holly, the slightly buggy ship's computer in Red Dwarf. No kidding. :) The spook that Alti conjures up to infect Solan in the flashback looks remarkably like the spooks in Bitter Suite. The little scene where Yakut asks Otere if she's inherited the unconscious Xena's powers is intriguing, and very well acted. If you watch Yakut's face, you can see her thinking for a moment before she whacks Otere. And trying not to laugh afterwards. And Otere gives her a sharp nudge by way of retaliation. This brings up an interesting anomaly, though - the prophecy was that Otere would inherit Xena's power. (And by this, in the context, I'd assume that to mean her shamanistic powers). Yet, it was Yakut that Xena appointed as shaman, not Otere. This seems odd. When Xena wakes up, there's another of those scenes where she's seen in long-shot close-up, with grass waving in the breeze in front of the camera and Amazons walking to and fro in front of it - similar to the opening scene with Hades. Just before going into battle is a heck of a time for Xena to tell the Amazons that she killed all their parents' leaders. I can understand Xena's discomfort when Otere proposes they all salute Xena. Still, that story is not really calculated to inspire confidence and resolve in the troops. Just compare the firm salute Xena gives the dead Amazons 'now' with the perfunctory casual salute she gives Cyane in the flashback. (It 'whooshes' slightly, by the way :) Xena must have carefully prepared her trap, rigging all those spiky death-traps in the trees. If she could do that without the Amazons noticing, I think she must have already 'out-Amazoned the Amazons' even before she started her little massacre. Notice, as Cyane swings backwards towards the tree that she is about to get impaled on, that instead of describing a parabolic arc downwards (i.e. falling), she actually swings upwards - a result, of course, of the crane cable she's attached to which has been removed by CGI. This always looks totally 'wrong' to me. I don't mind Xena and Alti's manouvres in their later battle in the trees, because they're 'flying' and I can accept that - but Cyane in this fight should be subject to gravity. Just my engineering nit-picks showing through :) (Actually, since Cyane was rotating head-over-heels when Xena launched her, she shoul still be doing that, too, when she hit the tree - but nit-picking about that is maybe going a bit too far :) And then, after confessing all that, Xena suddenly puts the 'pinch' on all the toung Amazons - that was unexpected. I was staring to think 'what the heck? - has she suddenly done another deal with Alti?' There are a lot of dramatic developments in this double episode. After all this, it's very trusting of the Amazons to join Xena in her spirit body! The 'flying fight' as a concept sounds as if it should look horribly corny - but in actual fact it works really well. Then we have The Vision. That was really unexpected - and also very, very cool, in all senses of the word. Cool colours, cool mood, cool weather (!), a cool angelic background choir, and altogether a cool concept. A sharp contrast to the previous snapshots Alti showed Xena, which had been of violent action. Notice the relaxed, competently casual way the Roman soldiers pass that mallet around. They know what they're doing. Xena says 'Gabrielle, you're the best thing in my life' and Gabrielle replies 'I love you, Xena' - I wonder if that was an intentional reference back to the last time she said that, in Maternal Instincts, when it notably didn't work? Of course, on this occasion, it obviously is valid. It's almost a peaceful scene - but then TJ brings off another little shock - just as Xena is smiling at Gabrielle, someone places a piece of board on her hand in the foreground and, perfectly in focus, a bloody great nail (nice work by the focus puller, btw). Altogether an amazing bit of cinema. Of course, as Xena instantly realises (and my soggy brain was too dazed by all these surprises to grasp until I worked it out afterwards), Alti has just shot herself in the foot because this means Gabrielle must still be alive. Xena's body lying on the ground now has nail-holes in her hands - Alti's visions certainly give full value. After Alti gets impaled on the tree, there's some nice camera work as it zooms in on Alti and Xena rises gently into shot. "Now you know your future". Lucy plays this really well - one might expect Xena to be a little triumphant, but Lucy plays it very muted, with a look (I think) of mild distaste, as if Xena's too drained to register much emotion. There's some nice LoDuca heavenly choir music as Xena revives the Amazons (this is, after all, their ancestors' sacred place), which merges into a marvellous haunting orchestral score as we see Cyane's Amazons in the Land of the Dead being released to cross over, with the sky and the mountain behind them glowing pink in the setting sun -- a marvellous scene. And then Xena rides off into the sunset with that 'western' music which always gives me the chills just like Ife commented. Beautiful stuff from LoDuca. One thing - I said the mountains behind Cyane's Amazons were glowing pink in the setting sun - because that seems to fit the plot and it sounds more poetic. However, with the extra clarity of DVD I can confirm what I originally thought, that it is definitely the early dawn, because the mountain behind is illuminated (in the evening this side is in deep shadow), and the sky behind it is pink, lit by the rising sun. In fact if you look carefully the mountain undergoes several rapid colour changes, from pinkish to white and back again, in this scene - which is what one might expect since its colour would be changing quite fast in between takes. It also means the cast and crew must have got up at some unearthly hour to get up the mountain in the freezing cold ready for shooting as the dawn broke. Incidentally, this spot is about 200 yards north and on the same level as the Land of the Dead sequences in Part 1 (where both the Cyane sequence and the Alti/Anokin sequence were shot), but this last sequence in Sin Trade 2 must have been shot on a different day - probably earlier in the shoot - since the snowline is maybe a thousand feet above (look at the mountainside in the background). In the Part 1 sequences, of course, the snowline had come right down below the Land of the Dead. I love that bit of mountainside :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:59:33 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Sin Trade >D'you mean he got the Emmy for the two eps, or just for FA? He just got an emmy for FA. >Agreed. (This is in contrast to Callisto, who got better as she went on). Even angel Cal? Though I liked the developement, you can tell Hudson had WAAAAAAAAAY more fun as the bad Callisto. ;) >Maybe the role didn't suit her. Besides, Lily was a weak character IIRC, >whereas Yakut was a fairly strong one. True, true. BUT, no, I'm sorry, THAT voice. What the HELL was THAT!? >Did you notice the old post-and-wire fence in the background? Hee, hee. Yep. Saw that during the first airing and LMAO. >No, not true. Not entirely true anyway ;) Just yanking your chain cr. ;) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:32:04 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: SIn Trade cr wrote: It is ironic that the rain which made everyone so miserable really makes this episode stand out. It sets the mood so perfectly that you can't believe it wasn't scripted I loved these Amazons. They acted like what I believe Amazons should be like - - self-reliant, brave, and just a bit hard headed. These young women were tough and yet they did have that youthful high spirits. My favorite part is when Yakut asks Otere if she has taken Xena's power and Otere says maybe and Yakut pops her in the nose to test whether she really does have Xena's power. It's funny but very much in character for these feisty women. Oh I think it definitely adds to these scenes. I think the NZ landscape gave Xena and Herc a very different look. I think it help emphasis the mythic dimension of both series. Now I have never been to Greece but I'm pretty sure it doesn't look like NZ so the fact that ancient Greece now looks very different from the real place sort emphasis that we are in an alternative universe. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #166 **************************************