From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #160 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, June 18 2004 Volume 04 : Number 160 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Season 4 DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review [cr ] Re: [Flawless] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2005 Art Montage Calendar survey [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review [Meredith Tarr I thought Hudson's performance left no question. If she > had really wanted to live, she wouldn't have been thankful to Xena for > killing her. Surprised: SURE! Xena was pretty set on having Callisto suffer > by living. Callisto, as much as she knows Xena, couldn't have known for sure > > that Xena would stab her. But she wanted to die, and I don't think that ever > > changed for her, regardless of how funny (and she obviously found it funny) > she found Gab's death. >> Hmmm, how to explain in my tortuously nitpicky way .... Yes, I agree, overall, Callisto definitely wanted not just to die, but to be assured of "oblivion" (peace, relief) -- no chance to resurface in any way. That she was basically killing time until she found a way to make that happen. If she'd been able to use the dagger on herself, I have little doubt she'd have killed herself immediately. (Oooo, it just hit me that she didn't get the oblivion promised, but angelhood and semi-reincarnation through Eve instead. But I digress.) However, Hudson's performance reminded me that Callisto had manic moments of delight (e.g., shooting flames at folks, tormenting X&G) -- "Yeah, I want oblivion, but I'm not minding having a little fun while I'm still sentient." I mean, the woman had literally lived off her bitterness for so long it was habitual -- maybe even addictive (e.g., "just one more little snort and I can die happy"). Xena probably did her a favor by applying her permanent method of "cold turkey." Otherwise, Cally might've been tempted to keep going despite herself. There was enough genuineness to the "reason to live" line that I could've envisioned Cally wanting to spend a little time shadowing Xena, reminding her of her loss, enjoying her misery, perhaps devising all sorts of ways to provoke Xena into killing her despite Xena's stated intention not to. Again, I agree absolutely that Huson conveyed Cally's desire to have it all end. I think she was doubly glad it was Xena who did it. I'm simply saying I think Hudson played the pre-death moments with enough ambiguity to give Cally's death a degree of poignancy it might not have had, if it was absolutely clear (which it wasn't to me) that all she was doing was trying to goad Xena, that she wasn't having one of her lapses/delusions that she could satisfy a little of her craving to see Xena suffer. If Hudson had played it as she wanted, we *might* have seen Cally's moment of glee as purely hollow and manipulative, with no desire whatsoever to live a minute longer. Of course, it's also possible Hudson did play it exactly as she would have regardless of what Xenastaff said. > > >Frankly, I thought Lucy's performance of that was spot-on. If not for > >ambiuous moments like that, Evil Xena would've been much more > >one-dimensional, in > >that we only get to know her through fairly chopped up flashbacks. > > Again, I agree completely. I MUCH perfer Lucy's performance that, > "uh...oops, I didn't mean to do that." as opposed to Rick's (the director) > view that she planned to kill Thalassa the whole time. This Evil Xena was > later in the game, after Solan, and I very strongly believe that Xena was a > heck of a lot less evil after Solan, because having a child put a little > spark of light/life back into her (though we don't see this very often, as > flashbacks of Xena tend to take place pre-Solan and after Caesar, when she > was the most vicious). >> LOL! Frankly, I gave up trying to connect Lucy's interpretations of Evil Xena to any plot points. I'm not sure she knew where the heck she was in terms of what had happened to Xena at the time. (Nor did I.) I got the feeling with Thalassa that it had more to do with Thalassa -- seeing a "light" that Xena felt attracted to but couldn't let show her up and make her look weak. Lucy once said that Xena was always seeking the innocence she'd lost. She gave even Evil Xena a suppressed vulnerability and childlike quality beneath the "kill 'em all" exterior. I think her choice was also right in the context of that ep, because it was important for Xena to acknowledge at the trial that she recognized something special in Thalassa even as she was disfiguring and staking her out. I also think Lucy needed to reconcile the whole "didn't kill women and children" thing with some of the attrocities she kept finding out Xena committed in the past. With Thalassa, Xena had to show she wasn't bluffing, when the villagers seemed to think she wouldn't go that far. The way Lucy played it allowed for us to believe that maybe Xena meant to free Thalassa, once she got what she wanted. As you say, another example of the actor being mindful of the character's "essence" over the long haul, regardless of apparent inconsistencies and contradictions. > > >In this case, I was with Tapert. I was soooo glad it wasn't clear whether > >Gabs killed him or not, as I much prefer that she didn't. > > I'm with Renee and Lucy. She was mad, and running out of time and she killed > > the bugger. ;) >> LOL! Killing him seemed too easy. If throwing the chakram represented her assuming Xena's warrior mantle, I liked the idea that she could throw it with some of the control Xena had, in terms of determining whether it would kill or simply incapacitate. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:57:21 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Season 4 DVD On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:04, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/15/2004 1:45:56 AM Central Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > Well no, what I called 'proportionate' was Xena's ongoing campaign > > directed > > > > against Caesar hiself. I wouldn't use that description of EvilXena's > > career. > > Then maybe we agree after all. > > -- Ife On the other hand, Xena's rampage is at least understandable, given Caesar's betrayal of her, his attempt to crucify her, the murder of Xena's friend M'Lila by Caesar's thugs.... Xena's reaction may be disproportionate but it just demonstrates that she is, after all, human. Xena lists are full of people who react in disproportionate fashion (though on a more modest scale) to a TV show, and I suspect most of them are human (though I sometimes have sneaking doubts about KT..... :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:55:40 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:10, Xena Torres wrote: > >Well, not necessarily. Firstly, if the actor plays it quite differently > >from what the director intends, the director's fully entitled to ask for > >another take. > > Yes, BUT if they fail to do so then the ACTOR has picked what the end > result is. Yes, and the director has permitted them to do so. What's on screen is what matters in the context of what the viewer sees, quite irrespective of how it got there. > The other major one would be Callisto's death in "Sacrifice." > TOTAL division amoung TPTB on whether Callisto got one up on Xena. Most of > the writers/directors and such were all, "Oh, no, Callisto wanted to live > now." And Hudson was "She wanted to die and she egged Xena into doing it" > and THAT'S how Hudson played it. There was NO doubt in my mind that > Callisto never wanted to live. Just from watching, I would not be sure either way. I would finally decide with you and Hudson on the balance of probabilities, mainly because Gabrielle was never important enough to Callisto for her death to matter much to Callisto - therefore Callisto's amusement is not really explained other than by the supposition that Callisto was doing it to provoke Xena. > Some things you can debate because the actor > might play it in a way that can go either way (like subtext), or, yes, as > you mention, the editing might open the floor a little. But if there's two > visions, and no one seems to catch that the actor went another way, then it > no longer matters what the director's/writer's view/s were, because they > failed to bring that view across. They didn't explain to the actor what > they wanted, nor did they get a retake. Well, as I said, it's what's on screen that matters to the viewer, not how it got there. (How it got there is a source of endless fascination to fans, admittedly, but has no part in interpreting the on-screen story IMO). > A good example is Adrienne Wilkinson in "Path of Vengeance." Adrienne was > horrified to learn that Livia REALLY DID toss the amazon prisoners > overboard to die. The writer/director were set on this being fact and not > something Ares made up. But Adrienne found this to be the worst act her > character had ever done and could only act it with the belief that Ares had > lied about what she did. That was her mind set. And, in the end, it's up to > the viewer to pick whether it was truth or lie. Well, it was an unverified statement on screen. I happened to believe it and, yes, it struck me as being rather horrific. I can quite understand Adrienne finding it difficult for 'her' character to have done that. > >That wouldn't shock me. Though I'm a bit surprised that he didn't ask > > Lucy for a re-take, if that's what he intended. > > It wouldn't shock me if that's how Lucy had acted it, but it wasn't and if > Rick did a reshoot, it's not the shot they used. Hence, no, Xena DIDN'T > indeed for Thalassa to die. Well I agree, what's on screen is the 'fact' (quite regardless of what may have happened in other takes or the script). > >But anyway, I remember having a heated debate with a fan who was horrified > >to > >find that ROC and RT thought the complete opposite from Lucy about some > >point > >or other in Friend in Need (as revealed in the transcripts). > > Yeah, that was on the PNW list. Oh shoot, what was it about. Oh, no, no, > Lucy and Renee believed that Gab killed the general who killed Xena with > the chakram, while Rob believed she just knocked him out. Hmm, I don't think it was that, I think it was something else. But what, I can't recall. > But, it was shot > in a way, that regardless of who was thinking what, it could be viewed > either way. We didn't see any blood, and the line, "Like you showed my > friend." could mean she's about to kill him dishonourably (hitting him in > the end, not removing it), or refuses to kill him and give him the warrior > death he wishes to have his honour intact. Personally, I agree with LL and ROC. Because I want to. Why leave loose ends? :) > >But really, as LL and innumerable other actors have said, they may think > > of something completely 'outside' the story to summon up the required > > emotion. > > Well, sure, but that doesn't mean they don't know what's going through the > character's head. If they need the character to cry, method actors will > think of something in their life that makes THEM cry (this is Lucy's method > of acting, while Renee reacts as the character). Maybe I misinterpreted what constitutes 'method' actors when I said that "What's ma motivation?" was taking a poke at them.... But anyway, I still say that, with the way scenes are filmed completely out of order, on occasions Lucy et al might be shooting a scene without any very strong idea of how it fits into the ongoing story. In fact, due to re-cutting, sometimes they may have acted a brief scene with an entirely different story segment in mind, from where the shot actually ends up. Umm, not that it's a very strong example, but the shot of Xena superimposed on the sunset in the penultimate scene of Friend in Need was reputedly shot right at the start of the series. There are probably better examples though. > >But... I woulda preferred a Director's Commentary..... > > Yes, yes, for sure, but it was a great featurette. > > > > OR Lucy with Claire! I would > > > have liked commentary on "Endgame" by, here's an interesting combo, > > > Danielle and Jennifer; one of their exit, and one on their enterance to > > >the series. > > > >I would have _loved_ that. > > See, I should be making these things! ;) I'm sure you'd do an excellent job. I expect we'd still complain though :) > > > -'DIRECTOR'S CUTS': Er...these AREN'T director's cut. They are deleted > > >and > > > >Yeah, you spotted that too. :) > > OH, AND, would you believe they spell Phlanagus wrong? For the intros they > spell his name Flanagus. *rolls eyes* > BATTLE ON XENA! Often happens.... I think the people they employ to do the titles and subtitles aren't always very well briefed on the script. In fact, doing the cast list, I found quite a lot of mis-spelled actors' and characters names. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:28:58 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [Flawless] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2005 Art Montage Calendar survey On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:29, KTL wrote: > (Yes, I'm behind in my correspondance again. I've been in the Bush for > a week. And no, I'm not saying that I just realized I'm gay and have been > making up for lost time--the Bush in Alaska is the roadless areas of the > state, the more remote locations. The areas without e-mail access.) Ah. I thought for a moment you were speaking of a certain political personage. cr (I'm sorry but I just could not resist that one :) ... starts running like hell for the - umm - bush - before the Republicans react.... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:22:08 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:31, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/16/2004 3:19:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: > > I thought Hudson's performance left no question. If she > > had really wanted to live, she wouldn't have been thankful to Xena for > > killing her. Surprised: SURE! Xena was pretty set on having Callisto > > suffer by living. Callisto, as much as she knows Xena, couldn't have > > known for sure > > > > that Xena would stab her. But she wanted to die, and I don't think that > > ever > > > > changed for her, regardless of how funny (and she obviously found it > > funny) she found Gab's death. >> > > Hmmm, how to explain in my tortuously nitpicky way .... Yes, I agree, > overall, Callisto definitely wanted not just to die, but to be assured of > "oblivion" (peace, relief) -- no chance to resurface in any way. That she > was basically killing time until she found a way to make that happen. If > she'd been able to use the dagger on herself, I have little doubt she'd > have killed herself immediately. (Oooo, it just hit me that she didn't get > the oblivion promised, but angelhood and semi-reincarnation through Eve > instead. But I digress.) > > However, Hudson's performance reminded me that Callisto had manic moments > of delight (e.g., shooting flames at folks, tormenting X&G) -- "Yeah, I > want oblivion, but I'm not minding having a little fun while I'm still > sentient." I mean, the woman had literally lived off her bitterness for > so long it was habitual -- maybe even addictive (e.g., "just one more > little snort and I can die happy"). Xena probably did her a favor by > applying her permanent method of "cold turkey." Otherwise, Cally might've > been tempted to keep going despite herself. There was enough genuineness > to the "reason to live" line that I could've envisioned Cally wanting to > spend a little time shadowing Xena, reminding her of her loss, enjoying her > misery, perhaps devising all sorts of ways to provoke Xena into killing her > despite Xena's stated intention not to. > > Again, I agree absolutely that Huson conveyed Cally's desire to have it all > end. I think she was doubly glad it was Xena who did it. I'm simply > saying I think Hudson played the pre-death moments with enough ambiguity to > give Cally's death a degree of poignancy it might not have had, if it was > absolutely clear (which it wasn't to me) that all she was doing was trying > to goad Xena, that she wasn't having one of her lapses/delusions that she > could satisfy a little of her craving to see Xena suffer. If Hudson had > played it as she wanted, we *might* have seen Cally's moment of glee as > purely hollow and manipulative, with no desire whatsoever to live a minute > longer. Of course, it's also possible Hudson did play it exactly as she > would have regardless of what Xenastaff said. Well put. Yes, the ambiguity definitely did help that scene. > > >Frankly, I thought Lucy's performance of that was spot-on. If not for > > >ambiuous moments like that, Evil Xena would've been much more > > >one-dimensional, in > > >that we only get to know her through fairly chopped up flashbacks. > > > > Again, I agree completely. I MUCH perfer Lucy's performance that, > > "uh...oops, I didn't mean to do that." as opposed to Rick's (the > > director) view that she planned to kill Thalassa the whole time. This > > Evil Xena was later in the game, after Solan, and I very strongly believe > > that Xena was a heck of a lot less evil after Solan, because having a > > child put a little spark of light/life back into her (though we don't see > > this very often, as flashbacks of Xena tend to take place pre-Solan and > > after Caesar, when she was the most vicious). >> > > LOL! Frankly, I gave up trying to connect Lucy's interpretations of Evil > Xena to any plot points. I'm not sure she knew where the heck she was in > terms of what had happened to Xena at the time. (Nor did I.) So many flashbacks.... quite aside from the fact that LL didn't try to view completed episodes, and that scenes were always filmed out of order. And, of course, that later flashbacks that 'filled in' past details hadn't even been thought of when earlier flashbacks were filmed.... Even if Lucy had tried to follow the plot as (I believe) ROC was reputed to, I still don't think she could have formed a coherent picture of Xena's past. Heck, even us fans endlessly analysing it and writing it down, still need reminding and a fair bit of deduction in order to figure out who did what to who and when.... I think LL just settled for trying to stay 'in character' in the circumstances of the scene. > I got the > feeling with Thalassa that it had more to do with Thalassa -- seeing a > "light" that Xena felt attracted to but couldn't let show her up and make > her look weak. Lucy once said that Xena was always seeking the innocence > she'd lost. She gave even Evil Xena a suppressed vulnerability and > childlike quality beneath the "kill 'em all" exterior. > > I think her choice was also right in the context of that ep, because it was > important for Xena to acknowledge at the trial that she recognized > something special in Thalassa even as she was disfiguring and staking her > out. I also think Lucy needed to reconcile the whole "didn't kill women > and children" thing with some of the attrocities she kept finding out Xena > committed in the past. With Thalassa, Xena had to show she wasn't bluffing, > when the villagers seemed to think she wouldn't go that far. The way Lucy > played it allowed for us to believe that maybe Xena meant to free Thalassa, > once she got what she wanted. As you say, another example of the actor > being mindful of the character's "essence" over the long haul, regardless > of apparent inconsistencies and contradictions. I'm sure that Xena did mean to free Thalassa. Incidentally, will crabs eat a live person? Ian Fleming had some fun at the expense of any sadistically inclined readers when the evil Dr No had Honeychile Rider staked out on Crab Key for the crabs to find. Bond found her next morning, none the worse for wear, she said (IIRC) the crabs tickled a bit, but they weren't really very interested. So, who was right? Ian Fleming, or RT and Josh Becker? Maybe it depends on the species of crab, maybe Jamaican crabs are more laid-back and less intense than Greek ones ;) > > >In this case, I was with Tapert. I was soooo glad it wasn't clear > > > whether Gabs killed him or not, as I much prefer that she didn't. > > > > I'm with Renee and Lucy. She was mad, and running out of time and she > > killed the bugger. ;) >> > > LOL! Killing him seemed too easy. If throwing the chakram represented her > assuming Xena's warrior mantle, I liked the idea that she could throw it > with some of the control Xena had, in terms of determining whether it would > kill or simply incapacitate. > > -- Ife I'm pleased she killed him, but unhappy that Xena's chacky was inherited by anybody. That was Xena's own weapon. Like her sword and armour, and Arthur's Excalibur, when Xena died it should have returned whence it came. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review Hi, It's been a while since I've done this, and I know it's long overdue. Please remember to keep the quotes in your replies SHORT. There is no need to rehash the entire thread every time, especially if you're only adding a line or two to the conversation. If you must quote at all, only quote the line or two you are responding to, not the entire paragraph or the entire post. And there is never a need to nest quotes (i.e. re-quote an already quoted passage). Thanks, Meredith meth@smoe.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:41:45 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review >I also think Lucy needed to reconcile the whole "didn't kill women and >children" thing >with some of the attrocities she kept finding out Xena committed in the >past. Actually, Lucy stated a long time ago that if Xena didn't kill women and children it was from lack of opertunity. Meaning, she wasn't against it, but they didn't attack her, so they got to live. I mean, if Borias hadn't saved Otere in "Sin Trade" Xena would have run her through without question. And Thalassa was a clear example of killing a woman (though Xena didn't know she lived), so at that point she couldn't express "I NEVER killed women and children!" anymore. Accident or not, uh, YEAH YA DID! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:53:31 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! >Oh, you have got to be kidding me. Why didn't they just replace that part >of the soundtrack?! THAT'S what I said! And I've NEVER seen that ep! ARG! I mean "Roswell" did that. That show had LOTS of popular music in it and couldn't afford to buy them all to make the DVDs, and thus replaced a lot. I didn't even notice. My question is though, if they bought the song to use in the ep, why the heck do they have to buy it again to release the DVDs? That strikes me as VERY odd. >Does this mean that "Antony and Cleopatra" might be cut from the S5 set if >they can't get the >rights from Natalie Merchant to keep "Carnival" in that >one scene? EEP! I sure as heck hope not! KYM: DON'T LET THAT HAPPEN! REPLACE IF THEY CAN'T BUY! >Since that piece of music wasn't intended to be in the final product >anyway, I would hope TPTB >would have the foresight to just plug in some >Joe LoDuca music and avoid a similar situation. And heck, Joe already wrote it ("Honey and Wine" on the fifth soundtrack), so it wouldn't be much to do a swap. Personally, I didn't like "Carnival" in there anyway. It was nice and all, but I prefer Joe's work, cause he's brilliant and because it better fits with the show. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:18:22 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review Just an FYI, Lucy was battling a terrible cold during filming. We had a stash of tissues behind the pillows on the couch. Sharon Official Xena Fan Club >I also though Lucy seemed somewhat subdued... like she wasn't feeling >well. > >CJ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:40:33 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review In a message dated 6/17/2004 11:37:28 AM Central Daylight Time, outback@creationent.com writes: > Just an FYI, Lucy was battling a terrible cold during filming. We had a > stash of tissues behind the pillows on the couch. > Heh. I know she likes to be a "trooper," but she might as well let folks see a tissue or two, since her fans pick up on (and need explanations for) everything. I guess they didn't realize they should have video footnotes like, "Lucy was grimmacing because she'd stubbed her toe just before the interview" (which we get in the newsletter). Thanks for preventing us from possibly spending hours making mountains out of molehills. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 20:15:27 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review Aw, our poor Lucy. Tell her she RULES for being such a trooper! (good call cj) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" >To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review >Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:18:22 -0700 > >Just an FYI, Lucy was battling a terrible cold during filming. We had a >stash of tissues behind the pillows on the couch. >Sharon >Official Xena Fan Club > > > > >I also though Lucy seemed somewhat subdued... like she wasn't feeling > >well. > > > >CJ >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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