From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #159 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, June 16 2004 Volume 04 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Re: Season 4 DVD [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review ["Xena Torres" ] [chakram-refugees] Xena 2005 Burbank Convention Guests!!!!! :) [Sarah Ann] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:51:44 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review In a message dated 6/15/2004 8:15:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: > -30 minute bonus interview: Like this would suck? Impossible. Keep 'em > coming! > Is this the one exclusive to Best Buy? If so, did you order online? Thanks for the reviews! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:01:27 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:25, Xena Torres wrote: > >Oh nooo, what was cut?? I can't remember. :( > > Let's remember.... > > "The Way" aired in Canada and the US just fine. Then, major backlash, and > the ep was pulled for...oh I think seven months or so, meaning, it would > not be repeated nor played in other countries. Between TPTB and the fans, > we managed to bring back "The Way" HOWEVER, there was a moment cut. > Now, it was TEENIE, TINY, but bloody hell, that's not the point: This is a > DVD, why is it being censored? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! For those who don't > rememeber, the moment cut was from the the opening of the second act. > Hanuman has picked up Xena, and in the UNCUT version, Xena headbutts him. > This headbutt was removed from "The Way" when it was returned to tv. > Now, granted, having watched the DVD bonuses, (the creature shop featurette > in particular), I can understand how having this very important religious > figure being headbutted would be offensive, but, hey, don't like it don't > watch it. I don't believe in censorship. Let grown adults make their own > choices in life for what they want to watch. > And, frankly, I don't want to watch a cut version of an episode I really > enjoy. This means I will be forever subjected to watching it on an ever > degrading tape recording made during the first airing. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! > :P BATTLE ON XENA! > > Xena Torres: Warrior Writer > http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome > Furthermore, Hanuman came over as a sympathetic figure, his reaction to the headbutt was very mature (IIRC), Xena was the loser from that exchange. So cutting it was just dumb. I would never have thought I could find a 'monkey god' anything but ridiculous, but TPTB actually made him look very dignified and wise, and I would happily have seen more of him. Much more so than Blue Boy who just didn't have a godly look about him at all (IMO). cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:22:25 +1200 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Re: Season 4 DVD On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:17, Cheryl Ande wrote: > cr wrote: > > Anokin - her 'betrayal' just amounted to rejecting Xena (for unknown > > reasons) > > > in the Land of the Dead. And Xena's response was also unknown, but > > didn't > > > appear to be of major significance. > > Xena's response is known. When Anokin rejects her Xena says "that's the > problem with the dead you can't take revenge on them." To which Alti > replies something like "hee hee wanna bet" (I paraphrase). It is Anokin's > rejection of Xena that gives Alti the ability to influence Xena. Alti > uses Xena to get her revenge on Cyane and the Amazons that goes beyond just > murder but the imprisonment of their souls. Anokin's rejection of Xena is > a pivotal moment in the episode - Anokin by saying Xena destroyed her soul > just reinforces Xena's own growing opinion of herself as corrupting and > evil. It is this opinion that Alti nurtures so Xena will eventually kill > the Amazons for her. > > CherylA I _knew_ somebody would say that. :) BUT - Xena's campaign against the Amazons was prompted by Alti. It wasn't Xena's reaction to Anokin's rejection. That was just a toehold for Alti to work on. Without the presence of Alti, probably Xena would have 'got over it' and nothing much would have happened. And Alti had plenty of opportunity to influence Xena, Anokin's rejection was just one minor factor. Also, you say Xena was getting her revenge on Cyane and the Amazons - for what? Was it their raid that killed Anokin? Did they have anything to do with (dead) Anokin rejecting Xena? This was never really spelt out IIRC, maybe something ended up on the cutting room floor. To me, Xena's mass Amazoncide looked more like gratuitous 'because I can' - 'Alti offered me a better deal'. (XT, KT - either of you got any theories about this? :) That is, IMO, quite unlike Xena's reaction to Caesar's betrayal in Destiny, which was quite sufficient and needed no other external influence to send her off the rails. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:09:48 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:14, Xena Torres wrote: > WHEW! Seven hours later.... > > I have now viewed ALL bonus material (except the AUDIO commentary, though > I've watched the VIDEO commentary) of the season four DVDs. Here's what I > gotta say: > > EP INTERVIEWS: Though there are not interviews for every ep as there was > for the season three DVDs, the interviews for this set are about twice as > long running 14-16 min or so (season three was more 6-7). There's about two > interviews per DVD. I LOVE these things, and I really recommend watching > them BEFORE sitting down to watch the eps, because all new insight is > granted for you to think about when you are watching the ep. > I am constantly amazed though that when you talk to all parties involved in > an ep (actor, director, writer, producer) that not everyone arrives at the > same motivation or answer to an episode. This BAFFLES me. Oooh I love these debates! :) > Even if the > director or writer saw it one way, ladies and gents, all that matters in > the end is HOW DID THE *ACTOR* PLAY IT!? Oye! Doesn't matter what you > WANTED, the end result for the VIEWER is what the ACTOR gives us. Well, not necessarily. Firstly, if the actor plays it quite differently from what the director intends, the director's fully entitled to ask for another take. Secondly, if there are several takes floating around, the _editor_ may be the person who gets the final say in it. The actor probably doesn't even know which take is going to be used until they happen to see the completed episode. > For > example, I was shocked to learn that Rick (the director of "Locked Up and > Tied Down") believes that Xena INTENDED to kill Thalassa! Gee, maybe he > should have told Lucy that, cause she played pure shock on her face when > she came back with her army and the villagers to find Thalassa gone. > There's NO doubt to me that Xena did NOT mean for that to happen. That wouldn't shock me. Though I'm a bit surprised that he didn't ask Lucy for a re-take, if that's what he intended. But anyway, I remember having a heated debate with a fan who was horrified to find that ROC and RT thought the complete opposite from Lucy about some point or other in Friend in Need (as revealed in the transcripts). The fan couldn't comprehend how anyone could make an episode if everybody didn't have the same version of events in mind. And I reckon it doesn't matter. To paraphrase your comment, it doesn't matter what the actors think is going on, the end result for the viewer is what's on screen. It _may_ help the actor in his portrayal if (s)he knows why (s)he's doing something, or it may be quite unnecessary. TPTB took the piss out of the 'method' school of acting in Yes Virginia, There is a Hercules when 'Beth Hymson-Ayer' (Gina Torres)'s 'gardener', Johnny Pinko, was auditioning for the part of Hercules and he said something like "First, I need to know..." and the assembled crew chorused sarcastically "What's Ma Motivation?" But really, as LL and innumerable other actors have said, they may think of something completely 'outside' the story to summon up the required emotion. It's only us viewers, who have just seen whatever-it-was happen on screen, that link those events with Xena's reaction and give the whole scene more meaning. I'm not downplaying Lucy (or anyone's) acting here, in fact it's a credit to the actors that they can stand on a set and 'react' with rage or anguish to some event that we just 'saw' on screen, but that the actor saw last week, or maybe next week, or maybe never will see because Second Unit filmed it with doubles.... Apropos of which, I was watching the commentary of some episode of 'Firefly' and one of the cast commented how much easier it was to put in a convincing performance when they had a full-scale '[space]ship' to act in, rather than just bluescreen or a bit of a set. Obviously this would apply to XWP, too, except that often they did only have a bit of a set, or bluescreen. (snippage) > "Adventures in the Sin Trade: An Exploration": OOOOOH! I REALLY liked this! > VERY, VERY interesting. A look into Kung-Fu from Wong and then a truly > fasinating look into Amazons, and Shamanism from a woman who's name I > forget, but it was really interesting. I REALLY loved learning what all the > pieces of Xena's outfit meant. All this amazing and interesting detail that > you would never know was there by just looking. This was a GREAT > featurette! But... I woulda preferred a Director's Commentary..... > "Bringing Monsters to Life": *smacks head* How did I say there was no > 'monsters' in season four? It's the ONLY season to have an ep with a > monster that's part of the ruddy script. Uh, duh XT, THE DESTROYER maybe! Rubber monster! Monster movie! Monster movie! :) > COMMENTARY: Okay, no MENTION of the Video commentary, but they are there. > Phew. I really enjoy those. Though I like the choices of eps and very much > the selection of the people viewing them, I wanted more. Season three had a > very nice set up, and now I am spoiled. I can't believe there was no > commentary for "Sin Trade." We've yet to have commentary from the talented > T.J. Scott; that would have been a good one. Aaaaaaarrrgghhhh! How COULD they....? Or rather, how could they possibly NOT...? THE best ep in the entire series (and I'll sic Alti onto anyone who dares to disagree..... ) > OR Lucy with Claire! I would > have liked commentary on "Endgame" by, here's an interesting combo, > Danielle and Jennifer; one of their exit, and one on their enterance to the > series. I would have _loved_ that. > -'DIRECTOR'S CUTS': Er...these AREN'T director's cut. They are deleted and > rough scenes. I love, love, love them don't get me wrong, but don't > advertise them as a director's cut. A director's cut is the WHOLE ep, cut > as the director ideally would have told the story is not pressed for time, > or censors or producers. I do agree. I was getting all angsty when I learned that there was a 'director's cut' of Sacrifice which there 'wasn't room on the DVD set' for, but then I figured that was actually referring to the rough cut that we got to see excerpts from as 'deleted scenes'. And, considering the quality, I'm no longer upset that we didn't see the entire ep that way - the picture and sound quality was just too rough and besides, the FX (fire, explosions) had never been added. So while I would have loved to see a true 'Director's Cut' with all those deleted scenes in, in full finished quality, such a version seems never to have existed. > Currently, the only director's cut we have of Xena > is "FIN." THAT is a director's cut. These are not. Though I love having the > cut footage, and at least they are shown in a way that we know where they > go in a scene, but it's simply not the same thing. This is exactly what we > had for "Sacrifice" on the season three DVDs with cut scenes, extended > footage and rough daillies (green screens, wires, no graphics). Please > advertise them as such. A director's cut is high quality that allows one to > HEAR and see (they were annoyingly small as they were shown in an > un-optional split screen with the aired version). Yeah, you spotted that too. :) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:10:45 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review >Well, not necessarily. Firstly, if the actor plays it quite differently >from what the director intends, the director's fully entitled to ask for >another take. Yes, BUT if they fail to do so then the ACTOR has picked what the end result is. The other major one would be Callisto's death in "Sacrifice." TOTAL division amoung TPTB on whether Callisto got one up on Xena. Most of the writers/directors and such were all, "Oh, no, Callisto wanted to live now." And Hudson was "She wanted to die and she egged Xena into doing it" and THAT'S how Hudson played it. There was NO doubt in my mind that Callisto never wanted to live. Some things you can debate because the actor might play it in a way that can go either way (like subtext), or, yes, as you mention, the editing might open the floor a little. But if there's two visions, and no one seems to catch that the actor went another way, then it no longer matters what the director's/writer's view/s were, because they failed to bring that view across. They didn't explain to the actor what they wanted, nor did they get a retake. A good example is Adrienne Wilkinson in "Path of Vengeance." Adrienne was horrified to learn that Livia REALLY DID toss the amazon prisoners overboard to die. The writer/director were set on this being fact and not something Ares made up. But Adrienne found this to be the worst act her character had ever done and could only act it with the belief that Ares had lied about what she did. That was her mind set. And, in the end, it's up to the viewer to pick whether it was truth or lie. >That wouldn't shock me. Though I'm a bit surprised that he didn't ask Lucy >for a re-take, if that's what he intended. It wouldn't shock me if that's how Lucy had acted it, but it wasn't and if Rick did a reshoot, it's not the shot they used. Hence, no, Xena DIDN'T indeed for Thalassa to die. >But anyway, I remember having a heated debate with a fan who was horrified >to >find that ROC and RT thought the complete opposite from Lucy about some >point >or other in Friend in Need (as revealed in the transcripts). Yeah, that was on the PNW list. Oh shoot, what was it about. Oh, no, no, Lucy and Renee believed that Gab killed the general who killed Xena with the chakram, while Rob believed she just knocked him out. But, it was shot in a way, that regardless of who was thinking what, it could be viewed either way. We didn't see any blood, and the line, "Like you showed my friend." could mean she's about to kill him dishonourably (hitting him in the end, not removing it), or refuses to kill him and give him the warrior death he wishes to have his honour intact. >But really, as LL and innumerable other actors have said, they may think of >something completely 'outside' the story to summon up the required emotion. Well, sure, but that doesn't mean they don't know what's going through the character's head. If they need the character to cry, method actors will think of something in their life that makes THEM cry (this is Lucy's method of acting, while Renee reacts as the character). >But... I woulda preferred a Director's Commentary..... Yes, yes, for sure, but it was a great featurette. > > OR Lucy with Claire! I would > > have liked commentary on "Endgame" by, here's an interesting combo, > > Danielle and Jennifer; one of their exit, and one on their enterance to >the > > series. > >I would have _loved_ that. See, I should be making these things! ;) > > -'DIRECTOR'S CUTS': Er...these AREN'T director's cut. They are deleted >and >Yeah, you spotted that too. :) OH, AND, would you believe they spell Phlanagus wrong? For the intros they spell his name Flanagus. *rolls eyes* BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:13:21 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review > > -30 minute bonus interview: Like this would suck? Impossible. Keep 'em > > coming! >Is this the one exclusive to Best Buy? If so, did you order online? Yes, (or Future Shop for Canadians). No, I picked up my copy from a Future Shop near my work where I've bought the last two seasons (season one I got at another Future Shop, THANKFULLY, cause I almost bought it from HMV, cause no one knew about the bonus feature). BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:47:14 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:15:55 AM Central Daylight Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: CR said: > Firstly, if the actor plays it quite differently > > >from what the director intends, the director's fully entitled to ask for > >another take. > > Yes, BUT if they fail to do so then the ACTOR has picked what the end result > > is. The other major one would be Callisto's death in "Sacrifice." TOTAL > division amoung TPTB on whether Callisto got one up on Xena. Most of the > writers/directors and such were all, "Oh, no, Callisto wanted to live now." > And Hudson was "She wanted to die and she egged Xena into doing it" and > THAT'S how Hudson played it. There was NO doubt in my mind that Callisto > never wanted to live. Some things you can debate because the actor might > play it in a way that can go either way (like subtext), or, yes, as you > mention, the editing might open the floor a little. But if there's two > visions, and no one seems to catch that the actor went another way, then it > no longer matters what the director's/writer's view/s were, because they > failed to bring that view across. They didn't explain to the actor what they > > wanted, nor did they get a retake.>> I believe Hudson managed to convey both ideas beautifully. First I saw what could've been genuine (if possibly short-lived) glee at Gabs' death and the prospect of Xena's having to live without Gabs at her side (which was different in its way than Solan's death). It was totally in character to me that Callisto would find manic glee in that, whether she exaggerated it to torture Xena, to egg Xena into killing her, or both. Xena didn't allow the possibility that Callisto would enjoy more than a few seconds, regardless of Xena's other motives for killing Cally. I also saw genuine surprise on Cally's face when Xena stabbed her. It could've been because she hadn't expected it, realized that the oblivion she sought was finally near, or both. Finally, I saw an acceptance mixed with gratitude and a bit of "goodbye" to the one person who'd given purpose to her life -- Xena. In the end, I felt a bitter sweet moment for both characters, with neither totally winning, losing or having anticipated what would happen or how she'd feel. I loved not getting a "pat," one-dimensional conclusion, which I think happened precisely because Hudson incorporated so many views into her performance. I guess I'm saying I agree with you that Hudson was able to communicate her own "take," but with an ambiguity that also allowed for the writer/director view. It made it more "real," reflecting the same divergence of opinions that we as viewers have about the same scenes. I believe that's one of the reasons XWP was "dynamic" -- "organic," if you will. Tapert was brilliant in allowing various Xenastaff to go with their gut, enabling multi-textual outcomes with lives of their own. > A good example is Adrienne Wilkinson in "Path of Vengeance." Adrienne was > horrified to learn that Livia REALLY DID toss the amazon prisoners overboard > > to die. The writer/director were set on this being fact and not something > Ares made up. But Adrienne found this to be the worst act her character had > ever done and could only act it with the belief that Ares had lied about > what she did. That was her mind set. And, in the end, it's up to the viewer > to pick whether it was truth or lie. >> Yes, another great example of the sum of ideas creating a greater whole. > CR: > >That wouldn't shock me. Though I'm a bit surprised that he didn't ask Lucy > >for a re-take, if that's what he intended. > > It wouldn't shock me if that's how Lucy had acted it, but it wasn't and if > Rick did a reshoot, it's not the shot they used. Hence, no, Xena DIDN'T > indeed for Thalassa to die. >> Frankly, I thought Lucy's performance of that was spot-on. If not for ambiuous moments like that, Evil Xena would've been much more one-dimensional, in that we only get to know her through fairly chopped up flashbacks. Despite the incongruities, what always came across to me was someone who acted without a clue about the possible emotional consequences. Lucy, Renee and Hudson had to *live* their characters in keeping with a range of scenarios, so I'm glad their views were respected as much as those who wrote or directed the characters for some limited (in terms of focusing on certain aspects) notion of the characters. > Lucy and Renee believed that Gab killed the general who killed Xena with > the > chakram, while Rob believed she just knocked him out. But, it was shot in a > way, that regardless of who was thinking what, it could be viewed either > way. We didn't see any blood, and the line, "Like you showed my friend." > could mean she's about to kill him dishonourably (hitting him in the end, > not removing it), or refuses to kill him and give him the warrior death he > wishes to have his honour intact. >> In this case, I was with Tapert. I was soooo glad it wasn't clear whether Gabs killed him or not, as I much prefer that she didn't. I watch that scene and still don't know if ROC somehow didn't "sell" it, or I just can't believe Gabs would've intended that. Reminds me of the spear that went awry in "Good Day." Sears (?) says he had in mind that Gabs was fully capable of throwing it accurately, but "choked." Other staffers say she couldn't throw it. From ROC's expression, all we know for sure is that she seems horrified that she missed. > -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:14:46 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review >I believe Hudson managed to convey both ideas beautifully. First I saw >what could've been >genuine (if possibly short-lived) glee at Gabs' death >and the prospect of Xena's having to live >without Gabs at her side (which >was different in its way than Solan's death). It was totally in >character >to me that Callisto would find manic glee in that, I agree 100% with everything you said. BUT, I agree with Hudson in that I don't believe for a second that Callisto wanted to live. That's the only issue I was discussing, and this was the issue amoung the Xenastaff that wasn't agreed on. I thought Hudson's performance left no question. If she had really wanted to live, she wouldn't have been thankful to Xena for killing her. Surprised: SURE! Xena was pretty set on having Callisto suffer by living. Callisto, as much as she knows Xena, couldn't have known for sure that Xena would stab her. But she wanted to die, and I don't think that ever changed for her, regardless of how funny (and she obviously found it funny) she found Gab's death. >Frankly, I thought Lucy's performance of that was spot-on. If not for >ambiuous moments like that, Evil Xena would've been much more >one-dimensional, in >that we only get to know her through fairly chopped up flashbacks. Again, I agree completely. I MUCH perfer Lucy's performance that, "uh...oops, I didn't mean to do that." as opposed to Rick's (the director) view that she planned to kill Thalassa the whole time. This Evil Xena was later in the game, after Solan, and I very strongly believe that Xena was a heck of a lot less evil after Solan, because having a child put a little spark of light/life back into her (though we don't see this very often, as flashbacks of Xena tend to take place pre-Solan and after Caesar, when she was the most vicious). >In this case, I was with Tapert. I was soooo glad it wasn't clear whether >Gabs killed him or not, as I much prefer that she didn't. I'm with Renee and Lucy. She was mad, and running out of time and she killed the bugger. ;) >Reminds me of the spear that went awry in "Good Day." Sears (?) says he >had in mind that Gabs >was fully capable of throwing it accurately, but >"choked." Other staffers say she couldn't throw >it. From ROC's >expression, all we know for sure is that she seems horrified that she >missed. Gab was horrifed she missed. She WAS TRYING to hit the Roman. She planned to kill him, but as Sears said in the interview on the DVD, it's a natural reaction to jerk when you are faced with taking a person's life. She had the javelen, she knew how to throw it, she planned to save Phlanagus, and her mind was made up. But her heart, the part of Gab that we all love, that compassion in her, caused her to jerk and her shot to go wide. But she did that LAST second and hadn't even realized she did it. This is explained very nicely by Sears on the DVD, as well as by Xena in the cut moments from that speech she gave Gab in the end of the ep (see it in the "director's cut") BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:23:28 -0400 From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review I agree with all comments so far on the highs and lows of the extras. What I am most disappointed in though is the dramatically reduced presence of our stars...LUCY AND RENEE. They are on briefly on disc 1 one or 2 and do the commentary for Ides. Season 3 really raised the bar and I guess my expectations for S4 were too high. I really enjoy the audio-video commentary and there were far less of them even without Lucy and Gabs. I also though Lucy seemed somewhat subdued... like she wasn't feeling well. Lastly, I was surprised on the video commentary on Ides they didn't show the entire scene in the cell.... maybe on the audio portion, I haven't run through those yet. Still not unhappy as S4 is packed with more than season 2, but S3 still has my vote for best extras. I sure hope we get to see more of Lucy and Renee in S5 and especially S6. CJ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:29:14 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2005 Art Montage Calendar survey On Thu, 27 May 2004, Creation (Sharon Delaney) wrote: > Okay, I'm putting together the pics for the photo and art montage > calendars and I'm making up themes for the art montage months. I was > wondering what themes and/or episodes you'd like to see covered in the > individual months. Let me know and I'll keep a tally. > > Sharon Well, my first ten choices would be The Debt. After that, (if I have any more choices), since it's an art calendar, I'd like to see the episodes that were among the best of the series but also had the most exotic costumes. So, FIN of course, Bitter Suite, The Ring Arc, Chakram (especially Lucy in the tub in all Xena's child-like innocence-and not much else), and Between the Lines. Just for the outfits too I guess I'd include Girls Just Wanna Have Fun, Fallen Angel and those second Chin ones, Bottle and Purity. OH OH and Lucy as the Conquerer in Armageddon Now. YES! KT (Yes, I'm behind in my correspondance again. I've been in the Bush for a week. And no, I'm not saying that I just realized I'm gay and have been making up for lost time--the Bush in Alaska is the roadless areas of the state, the more remote locations. The areas without e-mail access.) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:01:30 -0400 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! I'm sure that there is enough technical competence, determination, and hardware availability within this group to transfer an "uncut" to DVD. I know that I'm going to make a few archive copies of my "off air tape" (and if my wayward son ever gives me the MAC G3 back, burn a DVD or 2 of it). >And, frankly, I don't want to watch a cut version of an episode I really >enjoy. This means I will be forever subjected to watching it on an ever >degrading tape recording made during the first airing. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! :P >BATTLE ON XENA! > >Xena Torres: Warrior Writer LeeD ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:15:53 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVD - bonus features review >I also though Lucy seemed somewhat subdued... like she wasn't feeling >well. She also tends to tone it down when she's with Renee, because I don't think she likes to overshadow Renee, who is more subdued by nature. >Lastly, I was surprised on the video commentary on Ides they didn't show >the entire scene in the cell.... maybe on the audio portion, I haven't >run through those yet. Haven't gotten to the audio commentary yet myself, but I'm sure that they are full like the rest of the seasons. The video just is little snippets of the commentary. Oh, hey, another observation of mine: Anyone else find it odd that during the interviews with the crew they had "Xena" playing on the tv behind them. But...it wasn't season four eps, they were season five. (namely "Amphipolis Under Siege" and "Them Bones, Them Bones.") BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:26:20 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! >I'm sure that there is enough technical competence, determination, and >hardware availability within this group to transfer an "uncut" to DVD. It's the princpal. I just shelled out $70 for my a season, and I expect the COMPLETE season. Cutting a bit that originally aired, no matter how small is NOT the complete season. Granted, it's not nearly as bad as having a whole ep cut (like "Profiler" season one DVDs cause they couldn't afford to buy one of the songs in the fourth ep), but still...grrrrr. It bothers me that zealots who never even watched the show get to dictate our DVDs now. TV is one thing, DVDs are quite another. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:35 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] THE WAY - CUT VERSION! Hi, >Cutting a bit that originally aired, no matter how small is NOT the >complete season. Granted, it's not nearly as bad as having a whole ep cut >(like "Profiler" season one DVDs cause they couldn't afford to buy one of >the songs in the fourth ep), Oh, you have got to be kidding me. Why didn't they just replace that part of the soundtrack?! Does this mean that "Antony and Cleopatra" might be cut from the S5 set if they can't get the rights from Natalie Merchant to keep "Carnival" in that one scene? Since that piece of music wasn't intended to be in the final product anyway, I would hope TPTB would have the foresight to just plug in some Joe LoDuca music and avoid a similar situation. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2005 Burbank Convention Guests!!!!! :) Dude, I can't believe no-one has posted about this yet online anywhere that I know!! Creation updated their site today with the first of the guests for the 2005 Xena con, wahoo!! :) And they are: RENEE O'CONNOR (Gabrielle) - yessss!!! JENNIFER WARD-LEALAND (Boadicea, and I forget her name in "Play's the Thing") - her first con appearance I think??!! ALEXIS ARQUETTE (Caligula) - yaaay, I wanted to meet him!! TSIANINA JOELSON (Varia) - sweetest girl ever, can't wait to see her again!! Ahh, this rocks...I didn't realize they were gonna start announcing em so soon! :) Now here's hoping Lucy joins that list asap, lol... -Sarah- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #159 **************************************