From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #141 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, May 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 141 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution ["Laconia" ] [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution ["Laconia" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: 'Amazon Women' [Lee Daley ] [chakram-refugees] TV Guide's 25 Top Cult Shows Ever ["bookdaft" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide's 25 Top Cult Shows Ever [Sarah Anne Pack] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:02:51 -0500 From: "Laconia" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution To find out when each of the five TV Revolution episodes is airing, go to http://www.bravotv.com. ********* - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Ande" To: Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution > I saw the first two episodes of TV Revolution tonight and Xena figures > prominently in both episodes. The first Out Of The Closet (Repeat Friday at 8 > PM) talks about changing attitudes about homosexuality. Liz Friedman is > interviewed and talks about how Xena flies under the radar of most people but > obviously not all. There is a good five minute discussion of the show. The > second is "Maids, Babes, and Mothers" about the changing roles of women in TV. > Again Liz Friedman is interviewed about Xena and Josh Whedon says that Xena > has never been given the credit it deserves as a groundbreaking piece of TV. > It is very obvious thatJosh was a Xena fan. Buffy is mentioned as evolving > from Xena. So far the series has been interesting. Maids, Babes and Mothers > repeats Monday at 8 PM. Steven Sears hasn't been interviewed yet. > > CherylA > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 19:11:37 -0500 From: "Laconia" Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution To find out the air dates and times of the five TV Revolution episodes, go to http://www.bravotv.com. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:09:18 -0400 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: 'Amazon Women' The first reported example of "cosmetic surgery"? LeeD Warrior Jester At 04:08 AM 5/23/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Is repeating Friday, May 28 @ 8am ET/PT on the HISTORY Channel > >Synopsis: Herodotus wrote of a tribe of men-hating women warriors who cut >off the right breast to better aim with bow and arrow. Indeed, the word >amazon comes from the Greek, meaning "without breast". Tales of fierce >female fighters dot history. Are they myth from male-dominated societies on >the evil of female rule, or fact, as recent archaeological finds suggest? >TV G >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= LeeD ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:09:52 -0400 From: Lee Daley Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: TV Documentary to mention X:WP Somewhat off topic: Where does Queer Eye find the slobs to reform? Are there that many males who are total slobs and WANT to reform? And what's with their girl friends? Why haven't the ditched them the first time they saw their apartment? LeeD, Warrior Decorator At 08:51 AM 5/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >Apologies if this has been posted here already ... I >don't think I've seen it on this list. > >Bravo is premiering a documentary this Sunday called >"TV Revolution: Out Of The Closet". Below is the New >York Times review... > >=================================== >How Gay Characters Have Come of Age >By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN > >Published: May 21, 2004 > >"Most Americans are repelled by the mere notion of >homosexuality," Mike Wallace asserts on a news >special. > > From 1967. Today, repulsion at the mere notion of >homosexuality or that way of phrasing it, at least >is a thing of the past. > >Or so we will be told on Sunday. The archaic CBS clip, >in which Mr. Wallace interviews an anonymous Gay Man >whose face is decorously obscured by the leaves of a >potted plant, has a reprise on Bravo as part of a >documentary about social progress that doubles as an >hourlong promo for another Bravo show, "Queer Eye for >the Straight Guy." "TV Revolution: Out of the Closet" >appears as the first installment in a harmless but >self-congratulatory weekly series about how television >has revolutionized everything in every possible way. >(Next up: women.) > >A bargain-basement history of TV is enlivened, a >little, by a tender account of gay men and women in >the media. Bedeviled by the usual "and lesbians" >problem that tugs at every effort to talk about gay >people as a coherent group, "TV Revolution" begins and >ends with stories of homosexual men. > >Revisiting this country's "Far From Heaven" days of >stylized repression, the documentary cites Paul Lynde >and other wisecracking figures as paradigms of a >bygone closeted gay television identity. Archie Bunker >then appears, on cue, vexed by the fact of a manly >homosexual. This is a handy transition, if a familiar >one: it sometimes seems we'll be teaching that >lumbering straw man our lessons of tolerance forever. > >Some details stand out. The behind-the-scenes story of >"An Early Frost" (1985) forcefully evokes the health >panic of the 1980's. Before televising the movie, NBC >had to consult the Centers for Disease Control to get >leave to show the movie's AIDS-stricken hero, Michael >Pierson (Aidan Quinn), getting a kiss from his >grandmother (Sylvia Sidney). What was that >conversation like between the experts and the network? >Did they talk about blood-borne diseases and saliva or >what? The questions are tantalizing; I could have >heard more. > >On a lighter note, images of certain protean gay >television icons Jody Dallas (Billy Crystal) from >"Soap," Matt Fielding (Doug Savant) from "Melrose >Place," and Xena (Lucy Lawless) and Gabrielle (Renee >O'Connor) from "Xena, Warrior Princess" make a >pleasant review. > >The documentary also nails a small but bright point. >It asserts that lesbian romance on television is a >function of sweeps week; the networks want to be able >to promote kisses between women that can be billed as >minor porn and political provocation. Liz Friedman, >the most insightful commentator on this program and a >television writer, calls these kisses "sweeps >lesbianism"; others note that characters who >participate generally snap back to heterosexuality >when a show's regular season resumes. > >At the end, Ted Allen of "Queer Eye" shows up to give >the final score. His show, on which he stars with four >other gay men who rehabilitate sloppy straight men, >has accustomed viewers to gayness, he says, and that's >commendable. The show has superb ratings, too. And to >Bravo, that's even better. > > > >Meredith >meth@smoe.org > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year >http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= LeeD ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:14:44 -0400 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] TV Revolution At 11:33 PM 5/23/2004 -0400, CherylA wrote: >Josh Whedon says that Xena >has never been given the credit it deserves as a groundbreaking piece of TV. >It is very obvious that Josh was a Xena fan. Buffy is mentioned as evolving >from Xena. He finally admitted it. There was an awful lot of "Xena did it, Buffy did it" or maybe "Rob did it, Joss did it". And there was one mention in each show about the other. LeeD, Warrior Jester ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:53:34 -0400 From: "bookdaft" Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide's 25 Top Cult Shows Ever I just received my copy of next week's TV Guide and one of their articles is another list, stating rather breathlessly - the 25 Top Cult Shows Ever! XWP comes in at number 9, which is a huge improvement over Xena's placement at number 46 of the greatest TV characters (Ever!) The blurb for Xena's says: <<<< XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS - The tease sounds like something from late-night pay cable. Xena, an Amazonian brunet beauty in leather (Lucy Lawless), catfights her way across the countryside with blonde friend and protigie Gabrielle (Renee O'Connor). Cult-ability: Xena did for lesbians what AbFab did for gay men: prompted many a viewing night at the local watering hole. How devoted are the fans, lovingly nicknamed "nutballs" by Lawless? Next year's annual convention is nearly sold out. >>>> Catfights? That's rather rude. The piece is accompanied by the picture of Xena and Gabrielle sitting among the stones of Stonehenge from The Deliverer. There is also a cool drawing with Xena prominently in the middle. If people are really interested the top 10 are: 10. Pee-Wee's Playhouse 9. Xena 8. The Twilight Zone 7. The Prisoner 6. The Simpsons 5. Monty Python's Flying Circus 4. Farscape 3. Buffy, The Vampire Slayer 2. X-Files 1. Star Trek (Classic or Original Series) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:54:12 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] X:WP in TV Guide Hi, The latest issue of TV Guide arrived today -- the cover story is "The 25 Top Cult Shows Ever". X:WP makes the list at #9. Here's the blurb (with accompanying photo of X and G from the end of "The Deliverer"): ======== (9) XENA, WARRIOR PRINCESS (1995-2001) The tease sounds like something from late-night pay cable. Xena, an Amazonian brunet beauty in leather (Lucy Lawless), catfights her way across the countryside with blond friend and protegee Gabrielle (Renee O'Connor). CULT-ABILITY: _Xena_ did for lesbians what _AbFab_ did for gay men: prompted many a viewing night at the local watering hole. How devoted are the fans, lovingly called "nutballs" by Lawless? Next year's annual convention is nearly sold out. ======== (_Buffy_ came in at #4, btw...) =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:49:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide's 25 Top Cult Shows Ever > How devoted are the fans, lovingly nicknamed "nutballs" by Lawless? Heh, they forgot the "hardcore" part of hardcore nutballs... ;) > Next > year's annual convention is nearly sold out. > Actually, no - just the gold weekend seating is sold out. They just *started* to sell the preferred and gen admission! *shrug* Still, cool that TV Guide even knows about such things! > > There is also a cool drawing with Xena prominently in the middle. Is this article online too? -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #141 **************************************