From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #139 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, May 22 2004 Volume 04 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] resemblence between Lucy and the girl who played Xena when she was younger..... [] Re: [chakram-refugees] resemblence between Lucy and the girl who played Xena when shewas younger..... [] [chakram-refugees] TV Documentary to mention X:WP [Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] resemblence between Lucy and the girl who played Xena when shewas younger..... Wizdym4@aol.com wrote: > Okay, I don't know the name of the ep... According to Whoosh FINS, FEMMES AND GEMS - aka Fish Schticks > What Impressed me the most was the resemblence between Lucy > and the girl who played Xena when she was younger......I > wondered if that was Lucy's daughter....... Renee Schuda (Young Xena) - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV Documentary to mention X:WP Hi, Apologies if this has been posted here already ... I don't think I've seen it on this list. Bravo is premiering a documentary this Sunday called "TV Revolution: Out Of The Closet". Below is the New York Times review... =================================== How Gay Characters Have Come of Age By VIRGINIA HEFFERNAN Published: May 21, 2004 "Most Americans are repelled by the mere notion of homosexuality," Mike Wallace asserts on a news special. From 1967. Today, repulsion at the mere notion of homosexuality  or that way of phrasing it, at least  is a thing of the past. Or so we will be told on Sunday. The archaic CBS clip, in which Mr. Wallace interviews an anonymous Gay Man whose face is decorously obscured by the leaves of a potted plant, has a reprise on Bravo as part of a documentary about social progress that doubles as an hourlong promo for another Bravo show, "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy." "TV Revolution: Out of the Closet" appears as the first installment in a harmless but self-congratulatory weekly series about how television has revolutionized everything in every possible way. (Next up: women.) A bargain-basement history of TV is enlivened, a little, by a tender account of gay men and women in the media. Bedeviled by the usual "and lesbians" problem that tugs at every effort to talk about gay people as a coherent group, "TV Revolution" begins and ends with stories of homosexual men. Revisiting this country's "Far From Heaven" days of stylized repression, the documentary cites Paul Lynde and other wisecracking figures as paradigms of a bygone closeted gay television identity. Archie Bunker then appears, on cue, vexed by the fact of a manly homosexual. This is a handy transition, if a familiar one: it sometimes seems we'll be teaching that lumbering straw man our lessons of tolerance forever. Some details stand out. The behind-the-scenes story of "An Early Frost" (1985) forcefully evokes the health panic of the 1980's. Before televising the movie, NBC had to consult the Centers for Disease Control to get leave to show the movie's AIDS-stricken hero, Michael Pierson (Aidan Quinn), getting a kiss from his grandmother (Sylvia Sidney). What was that conversation like between the experts and the network? Did they talk about blood-borne diseases and saliva or what? The questions are tantalizing; I could have heard more. On a lighter note, images of certain protean gay television icons  Jody Dallas (Billy Crystal) from "Soap," Matt Fielding (Doug Savant) from "Melrose Place," and Xena (Lucy Lawless) and Gabrielle (Renee O'Connor) from "Xena, Warrior Princess" make a pleasant review. The documentary also nails a small but bright point. It asserts that lesbian romance on television is a function of sweeps week; the networks want to be able to promote kisses between women that can be billed as minor porn and political provocation. Liz Friedman, the most insightful commentator on this program and a television writer, calls these kisses "sweeps lesbianism"; others note that characters who participate generally snap back to heterosexuality when a show's regular season resumes. At the end, Ted Allen of "Queer Eye" shows up to give the final score. His show, on which he stars with four other gay men who rehabilitate sloppy straight men, has accustomed viewers to gayness, he says, and that's commendable. The show has superb ratings, too. And to Bravo, that's even better. Meredith meth@smoe.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains  Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:27:37 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #137 On Thu, 20 May 2004 vzeecnno@verizon.net wrote: > > > Anyay, the big picture has intrigued me all month. For those without a > calendar, it's a "behind the scenes" shot from Looking Death in the Eye,> > Anyay? D'oh! > I think it was actually from Path of Vengenance Yes, this has been pointed out to me both privately and publicly on the Flawless list. Being the ever precise and enthusiastic Flawless list, they even posted a link to where you can find the picture on the net to clarify the discussion for those poor calendarless souls. http://www.creationent.com/outback/fanclubs/xsd2004photocal/xsd2004photocal.html right after Varia beat the > stuffing out of Gabrielle, doesn't she have the Amazon boxing outfit on. > The leather pad was the kick boxing ring. I remember ROC saying she was > cracking up at something, I don't remember what, but you are probably > right that it was Lucy being naughty And this was my reply to the Flawless list: I always figure looking at the back cover is CHEATING! You know what's funny--I did wonder for a minute why Renee had leather gauntlets on. Not to be too negative, but those Amazon eps of season six were all so poor and boring to me that I really never watched any of them again. Hell, I can't even tell them apart. Not only from each other but from some of the good eps of season six, apparently... (Well, except for Helicon which I did watch twice to write a review of how that ep was in the "So bad it's funny" category to me.) Well, what the hell Is Lucy holding then? Some kind of little bag? What's in there? Aw, hell, there goes my whole theory of Lucy pouring cold water on Renee's chest. Or threatening to. TCH! Humph. That's the last time I share my deepest calendar thoughts with you persnickity clods. KT snitting away End of Flawless forward > > > > 20th's is "Xena enters the room". What's that one, ya think?> > > Humm don't hac=ve the vaguest but how about "Xena enters the room and > splits Gabby's head with the chakram. Whoops!" > LOL! The one time Gabrielle's thick-headedness is a blessing in disguise. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:23:23 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #137 On Sat, 22 May 2004 05:27, KTL wrote: > > You know what's funny--I did wonder for a minute why Renee had leather > gauntlets on. Not to be too negative, but those Amazon eps of season > six were all so poor and boring to me that I really never watched any of > them again. Hell, I can't even tell them apart. Not only from each other > but from some of the good eps of season six, apparently... Errrm, there was _one_ good bit... when Xena got to wear Varia's Amazon cossie. There are a couple of stills of LL in that cossie and she looks cool! :) > > > them--May 20th's is "Xena enters the room". What's that one, ya think?> > > > > Humm don't hac=ve the vaguest but how about "Xena enters the room and > > splits Gabby's head with the chakram. Whoops!" > > LOL! The one time Gabrielle's thick-headedness is a blessing in disguise. Oh KT, that was sooo insensitive cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #139 **************************************