From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #130 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, May 9 2004 Volume 04 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again [cr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:45:33 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again On Sat, 08 May 2004 15:33, Janice Stewart wrote: > cr wrote: > > Well, I could see how Caesar's world got created. And how it got > > destroyed > > - - Gabby wrecked the loom. (Though why that restored the 'real' world > > instead of just causing total global annihilation I don't know). And, > > Xena > > was in error in assuming that dying on the cross would restore the 'real' > > world. What we differ on is whether she had any grounds for making > > that assumption. In fact, Gabs was nearer to getting it 'right' on > > this occasion than Xena - another very odd circumstance, since Xena was > > the expert on godly institutions, not Gabby. > > Why do you say Xena was in error in assuming that dying on the cross would > restore the 'real' world? That's exactly what happened. > > XWPacolyte > Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. No. Gabby destroying the loom was what restored the 'real' world. The Fates told her it would destroy the current world and that's exactly what happened. Xena dying on the cross had nothing to do with it. Why the 'real' world popped back into existence, instead of just nothingness, was never adequately explained. In particular, why the 'real' world resumed at the end of the previous episode, rather than reverting to the end of the flashback in 'Destiny', I don't know. Look at it this way - either (1) there is just one world, or (2) there are two, or (3) there are many (in which case there must be an infinite number, since every critical 'moment' must spawn at least two separate diverging timelines). Caesar mucking with the loom diverted the timeline into a new path, in which case either (1) none of the post-Destiny events in the 'real' world ever happened, since Caesar changed the timeline. This would be consistent with the pattern of events in Armageddon Now when Iolaus saved Alcmene's life in 'the past' and the alternate timeline ceased to exist. In such a case, when Gabs destroyed the loom and the world exploded, there would be no 'real' world for Xena and Gabs to fall back into. (3) an infinity of worlds existed, branching off each time a critical event happened. In such a case, there are two hurdles to overcome: one, destroying the loom in Caesar's world destroyed that timeline and all its inhabitants. Why would that Xena and Gabs survive and transfer to another timeline? And in any case, there were already a perfectly good Xena and Gabs existing in that timeline (what we've been calling the 'real world') - wouldn't they have something to say about being replaced by a couple of imports from Caesar's world? And another thing - even if that happened, why would Xena and Gabs end up in just the one timeline we've been following, rather than one of the infinite number of alternatives? The odds of that are one in a kazillion. (2) possibly, there are just two timelines, the 'original' one, and Caesar's world. I suppose this could occur if Caesar was the only one ever to mess with the loom (otherwise there would be more). However, after Caesar messed with the loom and changed the timeline, why would the 'original' timeline persist? I think this would collapse back to case (1). And besides, if there are two worlds, why would the Caesars world Xena and Gabs take priority over the 'real' ones? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:45:33 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again On Sat, 08 May 2004 15:33, Janice Stewart wrote: > cr wrote: > > Well, I could see how Caesar's world got created. And how it got > > destroyed > > - - Gabby wrecked the loom. (Though why that restored the 'real' world > > instead of just causing total global annihilation I don't know). And, > > Xena > > was in error in assuming that dying on the cross would restore the 'real' > > world. What we differ on is whether she had any grounds for making > > that assumption. In fact, Gabs was nearer to getting it 'right' on > > this occasion than Xena - another very odd circumstance, since Xena was > > the expert on godly institutions, not Gabby. > > Why do you say Xena was in error in assuming that dying on the cross would > restore the 'real' world? That's exactly what happened. > > XWPacolyte > Cupid and Psyche... Antony and Cleopatra... Xena and Gabrielle. No. Gabby destroying the loom was what restored the 'real' world. The Fates told her it would destroy the current world and that's exactly what happened. Xena dying on the cross had nothing to do with it. Why the 'real' world popped back into existence, instead of just nothingness, was never adequately explained. In particular, why the 'real' world resumed at the end of the previous episode, rather than reverting to the end of the flashback in 'Destiny', I don't know. Look at it this way - either (1) there is just one world, or (2) there are two, or (3) there are many (in which case there must be an infinite number, since every critical 'moment' must spawn at least two separate diverging timelines). Caesar mucking with the loom diverted the timeline into a new path, in which case either (1) none of the post-Destiny events in the 'real' world ever happened, since Caesar changed the timeline. This would be consistent with the pattern of events in Armageddon Now when Iolaus saved Alcmene's life in 'the past' and the alternate timeline ceased to exist. In such a case, when Gabs destroyed the loom and the world exploded, there would be no 'real' world for Xena and Gabs to fall back into. (3) an infinity of worlds existed, branching off each time a critical event happened. In such a case, there are two hurdles to overcome: one, destroying the loom in Caesar's world destroyed that timeline and all its inhabitants. Why would that Xena and Gabs survive and transfer to another timeline? And in any case, there were already a perfectly good Xena and Gabs existing in that timeline (what we've been calling the 'real world') - wouldn't they have something to say about being replaced by a couple of imports from Caesar's world? And another thing - even if that happened, why would Xena and Gabs end up in just the one timeline we've been following, rather than one of the infinite number of alternatives? The odds of that are one in a kazillion. (2) possibly, there are just two timelines, the 'original' one, and Caesar's world. I suppose this could occur if Caesar was the only one ever to mess with the loom (otherwise there would be more). However, after Caesar messed with the loom and changed the timeline, why would the 'original' timeline persist? I think this would collapse back to case (1). And besides, if there are two worlds, why would the Caesars world Xena and Gabs take priority over the 'real' ones? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #130 **************************************