From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #124 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, May 3 2004 Volume 04 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Lucy and Josie - A Bitter Song ["Xena Torres" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:25:04 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy and Josie - A Bitter Song Has anyone else here seen Lucy's debut "A Bitter Song"? She plays Nurse1. I'd seen it a long time ago and have an awful copy on tape somewhere, but I recently bought the DVD for it (it comes with "Peach" as well). So, I'm watching the credits and I'm surprised to see JOSIE RYAN (Lucy's little sister) played Nurse2. Well...hmmmmm. There's two other nurses in the movie. I'm guessing that Nurse2 is NOT the one serving food (as she has no lines), but must be the head nurse with the red stripes on her shoulder. The thing is, that woman looks much older than Lucy. I, unfortunatly, have only ever seen ONE picture of Josie, and I don't have it to compare. Anyone have a shot of Josie? BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 22:26:45 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tape of Lucy on Idol Anybody planning to make available a copy of Lucy's stint on NZ Idol? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 19:01:46 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Song about Annie Oakley TV series reminded me of Xena Danile T. Miller wrote: > > Of course, I thought of the significance of when X:WP > premiered to the little girls who watched it, and if > some those girls might produce some songs, when they > are in middle-age. (They are teenagers now!) So, that > would be sometime in the 2030bs. :~) > Amen. As almost everyone says, Xena totally changed the landscape for female action heroes. And again, it was totally Lucy as Xena that did this. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 19:32:04 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Destiny Question > > IFE: > > > > > >I saw Xena in flames in Destiny, all right? Flames suggested Tartarus. Go > > >figure. > > > > KT: > > Christian hell. Not Tartarus. The Tartarus we've always seen in the series > > is located in caves, not in an open landscape like where Xena was in > > Destiny. No flames, but lots of moaning. And larval like couch potatoes > > watching old television reruns. >> > IFE: > Um, I never was much for the Christian hell. I'd seen the XWP version > of Elysia and of Tartarus. The latter seemed a better "fit" in terms of > where Xena was. Why did it need to be either the Elysian Fields or Tartarus? Why not a new place, since it didn't look like either? (KT asks in great innocence, with eyebrows so high they almost look like Caesar's laurel wreath) Given XWP's proclivity for changing things up on us, I > didn't expect exact consistency. But Tartarus and the Elesian Fields always looked the same. So this just screamed out to me, "NEW PLACE! SOMETHING NEW HERE! LOOK--NOT A GARDEN, NOT A CAVE. *NEW* PLACE!" IFE: Nor had I seen some place for dead > souls called "Not Bad but Not Good Either." Even if it was just in her > head, I was pretty sure she didn't see herself some place pleasant. > Even if it was some "holding" area, it didn't seem particularly > "neutral," in terms of between Elysia and Tartarus. All I wanted to > know was why she might've been in an unpleasant place vs. a pleasant or > more neutral place. I've gotten answers to that, none of which convince > me she was in a "good" or "neutral" place. > Because this is Xena. Why would she ever be in a pleasant place? Almost nothing in Xena's life was ever pleasant. (Closest I ever saw was her relationship with Argo. And even Argo died on her.) And certainly nothing about Xena was ever neutral either. One look at that grrl and EVERYBODY was trying to do something with, to or against her. That place she's hanging around in (ho ho) was obviously a place of suffering. She's dangling by her crotch from a cross again. Every piece of that place is disturbing and chaotic. This really seems to me to be a graphic allusion to Xena's internal landscape. A presentation of her feelings about her life and her soul. Blasts of guilt, regret, anger with herself and the choices she made, some twinges of despair and probably a wish that none of it had ever happened, all these things are swirling around in that erupting background. This is a place where she's assessing her life and making a decision on whether to go on or not. How she acted in the past is a major part of that decision, as we see when she brings up how evil she's been to M'Lila. Heck, how else would Xena's holding ground appear? It's perfect for her, it's Xena's unique holding ground. I do however, STILL wish Rob or RJ would talk about where she was then. IFE: > > As I mentioned, someone else > > >talked about it as a continuation of Xena's dream/hallucination state. > > > > > > *sigh* That was me. >> > > > LOL! See? I *do* listen. > > > > > IFE: > > I > > >actually like that explanation better than worrying about whether someone > > else > > >had "assigned" her to Tartarus at that point. I'm quite content with that > > >answer. > > > > > KT: > > I don't like it so well as my theory that it's a unique "waiting room" > > for Xena. That all the powers, all the gods are just kind of holding their > > breath and waiting to see what she decides to do. I definitely don't think > > there's any indication she was "assigned" to Tartarus. That isn't > > Tartarus. It's a totally unique, never before seen place. > > > > And Xena as a unique character who gets into unique situations is a very > > common theme of this show. So it fits. >> > IFE: > Well, you certainly have the right to pick whichever of your theories > you like. Ahh, you're so good to me, hon! However, as I pointed out, the dream theory takes care of the > assignation objection. But go ahead -- stick to the Xena Only Waiting > Room theory. You can always pretend the fire was actually M'Lila's form > of support and protection -- her version of Grinhilda's "love flames." > How's that? Oh, wow, I did answer my own question! > > -- Ife LOL! Except that M'Lila was inside the fires with Xena. And the fires sure weren't circling them and forming a barrier--they were more like little blackheads erupting on the skin of the holding room floor. KT Who wants the Clearasil concession in Xena's Waiting Room ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #124 **************************************