From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #120 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, April 28 2004 Volume 04 : Number 120 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details [meredith ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details ["Kym Taborn" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details ["Kym Taborn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:18:27 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details Read and drool: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1436 Street date is June 15th. I cannot WAIT to see the director's cut of "A Good Day"!!! Not sure why they're bothering with one for "Locked Up And Tied Down", though ... =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:01:32 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto In a message dated 4/27/2004 1:43:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ktaborn@lightspeed.net writes: > What amazed me was that > everyone had a different take or variation on what they thought really > happened. Not one of them completely agreed, that was writer, actor, > director, editor, and producer. And we wonder why (on top of what we bring to viewing) we come away with such differing perceptions. Gods, I loved that show. The interviews are a wonderful subtext in themselves. - - Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:01:33 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto In a message dated 4/27/2004 1:28:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > That 'No more living for you' and Xena's expression - and Callisto's > expression, too, at that moment - are ambiguous. A mixture of emotions, > maybe, which makes the whole scene beautifully enigmatic (and lets us > happily speculate about it ever after :) > You know, whereas I think Hudson knew all along how Callisto would feel, I thought Lucy did her usual "go with the moment." It was as you suggest in a part I snipped, that Callisto had to go for so many reasons that couldn't be summed up simply as grief, revenge, justice, rage, or any one emotion or motivation. I do think Cally's taunt pushed Xena over the line. Lucy's portrayal made it seem like a sudden decision that somehow represented years of experiences/emotions, yet was still businesslike -- almost dispassionate -- in it's ... execution. Yes, remarkable performances from both Lucy and Hudson. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:52:01 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:38, Kym Taborn wrote: > From: "cr" > > > Anyway, what I did find intriguing about the interviews, was the > > differing interpretations about Callisto's death. > > I asked all the pertinent people about that in my interviews about > Sacrifice and only Coyle and Leick's got into the final edit. What amazed > me was that everyone had a different take or variation on what they thought > really happened. Not one of them completely agreed, that was writer, actor, > director, editor, and producer. That just shows how complete Xena and > Callisto's relationship had gotten to that point where even the people > supposedly in control were all playing it differently. Coyle and Jacobson > were more towards the thought that Xena was manipulating everything while > Leick, Sears, and Field were more towards Callisto was manipulating things > view. Coyle and Leick were probably chosen because they represented the > extremes of both positions and the others found themselves somewhere > between those two poles. > > Kym Congratulations on the interviews, by the way, to you and I guess the editor. They gave a nicely balanced picture, I thought. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:51:47 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Fates Again On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:08, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/26/2004 1:07:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 14:41, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > >I got my Chakram newsletter #26, which has an interview with Katherine > > >Fugate about Fates. A few bits that caught my attention for one reason > > > or another. Some deal with issues that received lots of discussion. > > > > (snip) > > > > >9. As to Some People's opinion that Xena would not let herself be > > >crucified without a fight, Fugate says, "All Xena knows is that the > > > point in time Caesar changed should not have been changed and that was > > > her crucifixion. He stopped it. She knows that path was the right > > > path and she accepts that now. She was supposed to be on that cross. > > > That led to the bad Xena which led to the Warrior Princess who fought > > > for good and that led to Gabrielle. That was Xena's destiny.... > > > That's all she knows and that's what she had to trust and believe in. > > > That's how this world started and this is how it will end.... Gabrielle > > > doesn't know she's going to bring the world back, but she does. So > > > Xena was right." > > > > Errrm, metaphysical nonsense IMO. How on earth would Xena know that > > letting Caesar do to her what he failed to do ten years before was going > > to make things *better* ? Or that the crucifixion was the key? >> > > Actually, we (and I include myself) made it a lot more complex than what > Fugate seems to have intended. She doesn't say that Xena knew things would > be "better" or changed or that she'd get the "right" world back. All Xena > knows is that Caesar crucified her before, with terrible consequences for > her (and death for him), and that he figured to improve his chances by not > allowing that "defining moment" to occur. Mind you, he could've picked the > moment before his compatriots assassinated him, which would also have > changed things. But (since "show's called XENA") he focused on our girl > and (along with Tapert) determined that the crucifixion was the "key." > > Now, I hadn't thought about that so much before -- that it was actually his > own fate that he was trying to change. By allowing that nightmare moment > to occur, she figures it will once again set in motion events necessary to > end the world Caesar planned and/or for him to experience what was supposed > to happen to him. She doesn't know how that might play out or the details > -- e.g., that Alti will betray him in place of Brutus, that Gabs will be > driven to destroy the loom, or that they'll instantly be transported back > to their "real" world. She only knows that she must accept the consequences > of the moment that made her different from the Xena of Caesar's altered > timeline, if she is to have any chance of changing what Caesar has wrought. And how does she know that letting Caesar do that to her wouldn't make things *worse* ? > > How could > > > she know that she didn't need to go back to the same beach, same state of > > the > > tide, same phase of the moon, same whatever, before she could put it back > > on > > track? And never mind how Xena could know, *why* didn't the > > circumstances all need to be the same? Why was Xena letting herself be > > crucified the one > > magic ingredient? (And *that* was different too, it wasn't voluntary > > the first time). >> > > Again, Fugate was saying Xena saw it much simpler than that. Caesar > determined that it was the "magic" ingredient, and he seems to have been > right. He changed a lot of people's fates by preventing Xena from becoming > who she was supposed to be. (Let's not forget all the "as Xena goes, so > goes the world" moments in XWP.) Xena didn't have to be arrogant in her > conclusion, as someone else might also have been able to do something if > they had her insight into what was happening. (Actually, Gabs did act on > what she learned.) But the only fate she could be responsible for was her > own. She chose to end the life of the Xena who shouldn't be. Period. > Logic or faith or whatever may have suggested to her that this might also > somehow restore the Xena -- and the world -- that should be. She didn't > know that for sure or even necessarily imagine it, but she was right. Well, she also decided in Friend in Need that she needed to die, but just look at the difference. She didn't meekly let some bully crucify her, she didn't even kill herself, she chose to go down fighting. That was the only way Xena would ever choose to end her life. That was Xena in character. Fates Xena was a replicant, an android. IMO. And if Xena was the 'wrong' one, what about Caesar? He set the whole thing up. Killing him would have been a far better bet to change things back, than killing Xena. Now, if it was the _real_ Xena, she woulda broken free and offed Caesar - or gone down fighting. That would have been in character. > Does this make anymore sense than most other "metaphysical nonsense" or > fantastical things on XWP? No. Either we accept it or we don't. I think > it actually cuts through a lot of the gobbledygook we conjectured, by > simplifying Xena's motivation to, "The betrayal/crucifixion is what Caesar > did to set the 'right' events in motion. It's what he chose to eliminate > when tampering with fate, thereby causing this mess. By allowing that act > to happen, I will end my participation in propelling the 'wrong' set of > events forward." Hmm, still can't see it. The _real_ Xena woulda got herself free and killed Caesar, (or gone down fighting aka FIN), not meekly let Caesar kill her. > Obviously, we don't have to agree what Fugate came up with. It doesn't end > questions like you raised. We can criticize how well her logic got > communicated. That said, I happen to like her explanation. It makes > sense to me in the context of what she presented. > > -- Ife To me, it looks like a rationalisation for 'let's put Xena on a cross again'. One of the most exploitative scenes ever in the series, by a long way, IMO. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:06:49 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:18, meredith wrote: > Read and drool: > > http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=1436 > > Street date is June 15th. > > I cannot WAIT to see the director's cut of "A Good Day"!!! Not sure why > they're bothering with one for "Locked Up And Tied Down", though ... > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. Umm, why didn't they do one of Sacrifice? Or Debt? Or, since we're now talking Season 4, Sin Trade (y'all _knew_ I'd say that didn't ya? :) or Ides? But back to the ones they did, the selection puzzles me. I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more of that spectcular fight at the end of Between the Lines, but that was the best bit of it, IMO. A Good Day and LUATD - why would we want Director's Cuts of those? Unlike Friend in Need, neither of those eps appeared to be significantly cut for time, so far as I could tell. Ah well, maybe all will become clear when we see it.... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:24:27 -0700 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details From: "cr" > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. > > Umm, why didn't they do one of Sacrifice? Or Debt? Or, since we're now > talking Season 4, Sin Trade (y'all _knew_ I'd say that didn't ya? :) or Ides? > > But back to the ones they did, the selection puzzles me. I wouldn't mind > seeing a bit more of that spectcular fight at the end of Between the Lines, > but that was the best bit of it, IMO. A Good Day and LUATD - why would we > want Director's Cuts of those? Unlike Friend in Need, neither of those > eps appeared to be significantly cut for time, so far as I could tell. > > Ah well, maybe all will become clear when we see it.... I know why. Those two episodes have something in common with Sacrifice II (the extended scenes were taken from a Director's cut), and with the other episodes to have extended scenes in DVD 5 (Motherhood). They are all directed by Rick Jacobson and he always (1) makes director cuts 10-15 minutes longer than the aired episodes and (2) he has a library of all his director's cuts. When I was interviewing him for the Sacrifice Retrospective I asked him if he'd share his director's cuts with us, and he agreed. They may not be the best episodes for director's cuts, but they are the only ones we have (except for To Helicon and Back in season 6, where Michael Hurst gave us his director's cut, and Robert Field who had a copy of his editor's cut of Motherhood). Anyways, we are darn lucky that Rick is sharing with us. He could have said no and we would have had squat. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:33:49 -0700 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto From: "cr" > Congratulations on the interviews, by the way, to you and I guess the editor. > They gave a nicely balanced picture, I thought. Thank you. Don Paonessa did an excellent job editing the interviews. I interviewed everyone for about an hour so he took 5-6 hours of talking heads and put it into a rather flowing 30 minute feature. He's a fun person to work with. I just taped a couple of features for DVD 4 a few weeks ago with Don. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 00:25:56 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:24, Kym Taborn wrote: > From: "cr" > > > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. > > > > Umm, why didn't they do one of Sacrifice? Or Debt? Or, since we're > > now talking Season 4, Sin Trade (y'all _knew_ I'd say that didn't ya? :) > > or Ides? > > > But back to the ones they did, the selection puzzles me. I wouldn't > > mind seeing a bit more of that spectcular fight at the end of Between the > > Lines, > > but that was the best bit of it, IMO. A Good Day and LUATD - why > > would we > > want Director's Cuts of those? Unlike Friend in Need, neither of > > those eps appeared to be significantly cut for time, so far as I could > > tell. > > > > Ah well, maybe all will become clear when we see it.... > > I know why. Those two episodes have something in common with Sacrifice II > (the extended scenes were taken from a Director's cut), and with the other > episodes to have extended scenes in DVD 5 (Motherhood). > > They are all directed by Rick Jacobson and he always (1) makes director > cuts 10-15 minutes longer than the aired episodes and (2) he has a library > of all his director's cuts. I wondered if it was some reason like that. I hadn't realised the source material for possible Director's Cuts was so limited. > When I was interviewing him for the Sacrifice Retrospective I asked him if > he'd share his director's cuts with us, and he agreed. What a pity the opportunity didn't come earlier, then we could have had a Director's Cut of Sacrifice 2, I take it.! (I know, the opportunity didn't arise at the right time, I'm not looking to blame anybody except Fate :) > They may not be the best episodes for director's cuts, but they are the > only ones we have (except for To Helicon and Back in season 6, where > Michael Hurst gave us his director's cut, and Robert Field who had a copy > of his editor's cut of Motherhood). I do hope we get to see that! Director's Cut or Editor's Cut of Motherhood. There was a heck of a lot of great stuff crammed into that ep and a DC of that really would be worthwhile. Rather than just 'extended scenes' which are just so tantalising. And, hmmm, though Zeus knows, Helicon is *not* one of my favourite eps, I guess a DC of that might conceivably add a bit of context and alleviate some of the improbabilities in that ep. Or not. ;) > Anyways, we are darn lucky that Rick is sharing with us. He could have said > no and we would have had squat. > > Kym Oh, of course. I rather regret my phrasing where I said 'why would we want DC's of those eps?' - obviously Director's Cuts of those eps are better than no director's cuts at all, and all credit to Rick for sharing them. I certainly wouldn't want to sound ungrateful. (Yeah, I know, I sounded exactly that, and I regret my bad phrasing). cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 08:06:34 -0700 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details From: "cr" > What a pity the opportunity didn't come earlier, then we could have had a > Director's Cut of Sacrifice 2, I take it.! I very strongly promoted putting the entire director's cut of Sacrfice 2 in the set, but it was impossible because they were only producing 8 DVD disks (9th disk was a CD-rom disk) and they did not have room for it. But after further reminiding of them that it is the extras that really make or break a set, they decided to add a DVD disk to the DVD 4 set to cover the director's cuts. Sadly though, the extra disk will add to the cost of the set. In the other extras I tried to get for DVD 3 and failed was Joanna Sandsmark and DJWP's Bitter Treat pardoy of Bitter Suite on the DVD 3 set and we almost got it, but some high-up suit at Universal nixed it. We came so close to having it. I tried to explain to them what an important piece of Xena history it is. Oh well. Another great bit of Xenaology that will not be shared with the fans anymore. I looked at that promo for the DVD set 3 and it did have an error. It had a featurette on Sin Trade and originally that was what I was doing but it never materialized. What is happening instead is two other featurettes: one about shamanism and Amazons on Xena (that's all that was left of the Sin Trade documentary and it only partially deals with Sin Trade now!) and the other about how the show adapted martial arts for the show and how the actors were trained for it. > I do hope we get to see that! Director's Cut or Editor's Cut of Motherhood. I am not sure whether they plan to release the whole cut. I had to go through it and pull the extended and deleted scenes, but then they are probably going to see how well DVD 4 does with the whole director's cuts. They are not the best quality of film, but they sure are fascinating and not just for the extra dialogue and cut parts, but also because they give you an idea of what it is like withuot all the special effects and you get to see the harness in the shots, the ropes pulling down the rock pedestals, etc. I at least enjoyed watching them for that. For DVD 6, we located about 36 minutes of raw dailies and I am strongly encouraging them to putting it in the DVD set 6 as is, instead of editing them. As always, I can only give suggestions of what to put in the set, they have to ultimately decide what to explore and what not to explore. I have been trying in my role as "fan consultant" to pitch as many things as I could think of. It's like spaghetti - some stuff sticks, others do not. For example, I had a wild idea that they still might do, but I suggested that they also include the fiction and non-fiction books in the public domain that inspired episodes. For example, for If the Shoe Fits, you'd have the public domain version of Grimm's Cinderella; for Paradise Lost the Yogi Sutras of Patanjali; and for Ides of March, Shakespeare's Juluis Caesar and Suetonius' Lives of the Caesars Vol. 1. Stuff like that. It was probably too goofy for them but I was trying to stress that packing the package with extras is good and here is a public domain source so no licensing problems for them, etc. Anyways, I digress. They were gracious enough to allow direct fan input for the sets and I sincerely believe that it has helped DVD set 3 and the subsequent ones as well. I am trying my best to be a fan lobbyist in getting as much on those disks as humanly possible. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 11:15:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Overstock alert Season 4 DVD is up for $48 and 1.40 shipping. Also oddly a book The Way of The Cat by Xena (I didn't know cat philosphy was one her many skills). CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:28:22 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details >I cannot WAIT to see the director's cut of "A Good Day"!!! Not sure why >they're bothering with one for "Locked Up And Tied Down", though We were having this discussion on the PNW list just the other day. See, there isn't always a Director's Cut, espcially of TV series. So, since this set is all about 'uncut' (which I take to mean that "The Way" will be intact, head butt and all!), they are giving us the eps that HAD a director's cut. Guess "Locked Up and Tied Down" has another version. I actually enjoyed parts of this ep. I really liked the Xena storyline. I would be quite interested to see how it looks with (most likely) a longer and different cut. Sometimes it can REALLY improve an ep (for example, I think the Dis cut of FIN is far better than the original airing). BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium: Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:32:19 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details Thanks for the insight Kym. Oh phooey...does that mean no director's cut of "Livia"? Adrienne Wilkinson told me it was long enough to be TWO eps...and there's some scenes in there I'd like to see (like the bathing in bath of blood...) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: "Kym Taborn" >To: "cr" , >Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:24:27 -0700 > >From: "cr" > > > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. > > > > Umm, why didn't they do one of Sacrifice? Or Debt? Or, since we're >now > > talking Season 4, Sin Trade (y'all _knew_ I'd say that didn't ya? :) or >Ides? > > > > But back to the ones they did, the selection puzzles me. I wouldn't >mind > > seeing a bit more of that spectcular fight at the end of Between the >Lines, > > but that was the best bit of it, IMO. A Good Day and LUATD - why >would >we > > want Director's Cuts of those? Unlike Friend in Need, neither of >those > > eps appeared to be significantly cut for time, so far as I could tell. > > > > Ah well, maybe all will become clear when we see it.... > >I know why. Those two episodes have something in common with Sacrifice II >(the extended scenes were taken from a Director's cut), and with the other >episodes to have extended scenes in DVD 5 (Motherhood). > >They are all directed by Rick Jacobson and he always (1) makes director >cuts >10-15 minutes longer than the aired episodes and (2) he has a library of >all >his director's cuts. > >When I was interviewing him for the Sacrifice Retrospective I asked him if >he'd share his director's cuts with us, and he agreed. > >They may not be the best episodes for director's cuts, but they are the >only >ones we have (except for To Helicon and Back in season 6, where Michael >Hurst gave us his director's cut, and Robert Field who had a copy of his >editor's cut of Motherhood). > >Anyways, we are darn lucky that Rick is sharing with us. He could have said >no and we would have had squat. > >Kym >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= _________________________________________________________________ Free yourself from those irritating pop-up ads with MSn Premium. Get 2months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 09:33:55 -0700 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details >I do hope we get to see that! Director's Cut or Editor's Cut of >Motherhood. >There was a heck of a lot of great stuff crammed into that ep and a DC of >that really would be worthwhile. OOOOOOOO!!!!!! That means we get to see the scene with Ares and Xena right before XEna joined Gab and Eve playing with the spider. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 12:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details Do we know yet what the exclusive bonuses for the Best Buy set will be yet? -Sarah- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:42:13 +0100 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. I am a very happy bunny here. There were plot holes in Good Day that really showed that there were bits missing. That was such a strong Gabrielle episode that the extra footage may well elevate this ep to an even higher level for me. It is definitely one of the more important season 4 eps IMO. The extra material for sacrifice was brilliant and I really look forward to these extras. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:44:40 +0100 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Overstock alert > Season 4 DVD is up for $48 and 1.40 shipping. Also oddly a book The Way of The Cat by Xena (I didn't know cat philosphy was one her many skills). I've just checked the Best Buy site and they have it at $44.99 with free shipping. (Major gripe here is that they won't ship outside the US, so we Europeans have to use indirect methods) They say that the additional material is: **** Best Buy - Interviews - Exclusive bonus interviews with cast and crew including Lucy Lawless, Renee O'Connor, Robert Tapert, Bruce Campbell, Ted Raimi, Eric Gruendemann, Liz Friedman and many more. (Approx. 30 min.) Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:49:40 +0100 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details > They may not be the best episodes for director's cuts, but they are the only > ones we have (except for To Helicon and Back in season 6, where Michael > Hurst gave us his director's cut, and Robert Field who had a copy of his > editor's cut of Motherhood). Now I am having a really good day :-) I think Helicon is an amazing episode. (Gabrielle based thinking again ). I am really happy that there is more of this episode. Kym is absolutly right, it is the extras that make the DVDs worth buying. All 6 seasons have been out on region 2 (European) DVD for ages, but without extra materials, so many of us didn't buy them as we already had the videos. We waited until the region 1 (American ) DVDs came out and are buying them. Even the extra hassle of getting them shipped across the Atlantic makes it worthwhile. Kym - the more stuff you can get on the DVDs the better. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:51:40 +0100 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Complete Season 4 Details > > > Hmmm, there are DC's of "Between the Lines", "A Good Day" and LUATD. Between The Lines is one of the most visually stunning of all the XWP eps of any season. More..More.. More..please. Thank you Kym :-) Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:47:15 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #119 > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:33:01 +1200 > From: cr > Subject: [chakram-refugees] Death of Callisto > > cr wrote: > Of course they could both be right - Xena could have been intending to kill > Callisto all along and Callisto could have been faking amusement to make sure > of it. I doubt that Xena really wanted the immortal Callisto around to cause trouble so I think she did plan to kill her. But I also think that if she could have arranged it so that Callisto could stick around and suffer for awhile and not be a danger to anyone she might have been tempted to keep Callie alive. I also think that Xena did feel sorry and guilty about Callisto so she might have wanted to give Callisto peace if she could. > > I certainly agree with Hudson that Callisto was faking it. Why should she > be so excited over the death of Gabrielle? Callisto never cared one whit > about Gabs, except as a way to get to Xena. If Gabrielle had been a > long-standing nemesis for Callisto, then I could understand Callisto's > enthusiasm - but Gabs wasn't. Oh yes Callisto was faking it. She was definitely pushing Xena's buttons at that point. I believe she might have been afraid that Xena would be so distracted by Gabrielle's death that she would have forgotten about her promise. So Callisto made sure that Xena took notice of her. Also Callisto has a real fixation on Xena and maybe she just didn't like to be ignored by Xena. Callisto certainly was the kind of girl who was also screaming "look at me" . She had a fatal wish to always be the center of attention > What I'm not sure of is whether Xena then killed Callisto in anger.... > That 'No more living for you' and Xena's expression - and Callisto's > expression, too, at that moment - are ambiguous. A mixture of emotions, > maybe, which makes the whole scene beautifully enigmatic (and lets us > happily speculate about it ever after :) I think Xena was simply feed up with Callisto and her games. First her son has died and now her friend and Callisto is still in her face playing games. Xena was done with her and wanted her gone - so she killed her. It wasn't an act of altruism or of hate it was just Xena deciding she had had enough of this woman. > > Certainly, unlike Ming (and Callisto's first 'death' in the quicksand), > Callisto's death didn't haunt Xena thereafter, which I guess is negative > evidence at least, that Xena's conscience was clear on this one. > Of course Callisto got what she wanted. Xena has no reason to feel guilty. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:49:20 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] 4th season DVD Best But has it up on their web site for pre-ordering. Free shipping and this time they are advertisin on the web site an exlusive bonus DVD. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #120 **************************************