From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #84 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, March 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 084 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Eye of the Beholder [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: Fw: [chakram-refugees] OT xena mail order catalogues vs browsing the web... [IfeRa] Re: [chakram-refugees] Eye of the Beholder [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Catalog vs Web [cande@sunlink.net] [chakram-refugees] Eye of the Beholder [Lilli Sprintz I doubt > if she deliberately made Xena look 'less than flattering', I think it was > more just an incidental side-effect of the way she played the role. In > other words, I don't think she thought "Do I look good? Do I look ugly?" > but > rather, "What would Xena's expression look like in these circumstances?" > We're saying the same thing, except I disagree that it was incidental. I'm sure Lucy knew the screwed-up "kill 'em all" face was not one she'd use in a beauty pageant. It was meant to scare people, not have them run up to, hug and tell Xena how cute she looked. I feel she deliberately used less than flattering expressions, gutterals, body language, behavior (spitting, picking her nose) for the younger Xena in Debt. I think she deliberately chose less than flattering expressions in Paradise Found or Fallen Angels -- not as side effects, but as integral aspects of her performance. I also believe she knew she didn't always look "attractive" during fight scenes, intentionally so. Yes, she chose the expression she thought suitable for the character and situation. She's made comments about the "attractive quotient," in terms of understanding the appeal of that to many viewers. I think she's aware of when/how to make herself look good and when/how not to. I simply meant that she was quite willing to make the latter choice in situations where other actresses might have worried more about themselves than than what was right for the character. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:58:26 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [chakram-refugees] OT xena mail order catalogues vs browsing the web... In a message dated 3/23/2004 4:49:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, abqbeach@xenawp.org writes: > One study says that half of US online shoppers in > the next five years will be over age 35 - more representative of the US > population than the younger early adopters. > Thanks for the info! Frankly, I don't think most marketers have a clue about all that. I mean, when something first starts out, we have no idea what the experience will be. Some folks were born at a point where they don't even consider other options -- like my 22-year-old niece, who never thought of using a phone book or directory assistance when her computer went down and she couldn't look up a number online. Sure, it's nice not having to bother with "old fashioned" methods sometimes. But I know what it's like to interact with human beings or actually get to try out something I want before I buy it. I'm finding myself doing some things online that completely amaze me, while I don't find it worthwhile to take advantage of electronic features that seemed great. All I know is, I hate when people try to make me dependent on technology or tell me it's "best" for me, when what they really want to do is make life easier or more profitable for themselves. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:58:28 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Eye of the Beholder In a message dated 3/23/2004 2:47:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > There's > >something she does that transforms her from a nice-looking country girl, > >into someone with charisma and beauty that knocks folks' sox off. > > Yes! > > (Sorry for the one-liner, but it's what I've been trying to say all through > this debate :) > LOL! Okey dokey. I want to add that Lucy also has an intelligence about her that makes her attractive to me. There's always something going on in those eyes -- humor, thoughtfulness, indignation, enjoyment, lots of almost childish curiosity and listening. That's it -- her eyes are so full of life and connection to what's going on around her. (Sophia said something like that about her acting.) They draw you in. When I see photos of her, I rarely feel I'm simply seeing someone "posing," as opposed to being part of whatever she's doing. I love seeing people "engaged" with life, regardless of how they look physically. It's ... beautiful. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:05:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Catalog vs Web Personally I think catalogs drive web sales. I know I may order on line but often I use the catalog to decide what I want to order. This is especially true of new items. I like looking at the photos before ordering (I know they are online but my computer use to be really slow in downloading pictures and I get bored waiting). I also hate it when I get a coupon and I have to order on line (hear that Anderson Panzar). Also I think without the catalogs people who aren't online don't get to see what is offerred. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:12:44 -0600 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] Eye of the Beholder IfeRae@aol.com said, quoting Jackie and Lilli > Jackie said, > > "Although I highly respect LL's skills, I don't believe she was that > great of an actress at that time to be cast only based on her skills... > > > Lilli, yes, and i agree, though i've never said it publically in this very biased crowd, that Lucy Lawless has not always been that great of an actress. despite that, however, she exuded a kind of power i had not seen often before in ANY woman actress over the years. IfeRae, I have a mixed reaction about Lucy's acting -- especially early on. I think Roma Downey was a much better choice than Lucy for the Amazon queen in the Herc eps. Lilli, can't agree. mostly because of the "superficial" aspect of being female and powerful. ife, why I enjoy watching her... is the intrigue of never being quite sure of what she's going to do. Lilli, that's interesting! ife, Now, that second part is why Lucy is one of the folks who makes me question my preconceptions about actors. Even as she's had more formal training, there's something about her that refuses to do the expected, that makes her take risks regardless of how "off" or silly it might look. Lilli, that might be related to my opinion of her being powerful exuding power. ife, The other aspect I can't quite articulate is that Lucy and Kevin made me interested in them as people, even as they made me believe in their characters as totally different, standalone "people." Lucy's idol Susan Sarandon is one of those actors to me. I like Glenn Close as well, but she doesn't bring that added dimension. me, yes, glenn close is one of my favorite female actors. susan sarandon i didn't get into probqably because i was thrown off by The Rocky Horror Picture Show; until she did the TV movie this past year in the U.S. about a real story of a woman in the ...arctic or antarctic? ...who had to deal with fighting breast cancer. then i really "saw" her. i am wondering, as you speak, about the different actors i like, and the power they exude. let me give you an idea of the female actors i like. mostly, explaining to other folks, i need to say i've been limited to the kind of movies i've seen from differnent cultures. mostly u.s., and british. some other exports/imports from india, france. so my viewing, in terms of the world, has sadly been limited; and i'm sure i've missed some powerful actresses on the way: but, some of my favorite actresses have been Judi Dench; Dianna Rigg, Katherine Hepburn growing up ; whoopie goldberg (who discounts the impact of her power on the screen, and she's brilliant), barbra streisand, Alfre Woodard, who is very underrated and not given nearly enough screen time that she deserves, Rosalind Chao, meryl streep, kathy bates, have started to respect Julie Roberts more because i was thrown off, again, by Pretty Woman, and thought she was just another pretty, thin white actress. she has more substance than that; emma thompson; Michelle Yeoh, Jodie Foster, Cher, Maggie Smith, Lily Tomlin, Jessica Tandy. Also, (need i mention) Maya Angelou; Ruby Dee!; tyne daly, Mary Stuart Masterson (Fried Green Tomatoes); Julie Andrews. these are only some. i love power, meaning the real power that we, often as women and with other identities, are often expected to throw out. these women, more often than not, do not throw out (throw away) their power on the screen. so, when i saw lucy lawless as xena for the first time, it was that real, raw power that i saw and recognized. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #84 *************************************