From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #63 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 04 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] LOTR wins 11 out of 11 - and all NZ gets thanked! [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: CNN.com article on Dickson [cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] LOTR wins 11 out of 11 - and all NZ gets thanked! On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:00, Cheryl LaScola wrote: > I am an American and for once staying up to watch until early am was > worth it. In general the event seemed subdued... but I was still on the > edge of my seat because as the Oscars (one by one) landed in the hands > of someone from LOTR, my fear was that this would be to rationalize why > someone else would get the key prizes (director and picture). > > Thankfully (and IMHO rightfully so) I was wrong and LOTR swept and tied > Titanic and Ben Hur!! If you believe the text that appeared on screen right at the end of the credits, all the categories are voted on secretly and nobody knows the reaults till they're announced. Which would make it impossible to arrange a result like that or give anybody a 'consolation prize'. Which may help to explain why a number of 'best actor' and similar Oscars are popularly supposed to be a belated reward for something the actor *should* have won the year before. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:26:13 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: More XWP Inventions (was Re: Lucy TV Appearances) On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:27, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > >I seem to recall that, at the start of Return of Callisto, Callisto, > > after lifting the guard's dagger, used it to open the lock. Of > > course, those early locks were probably fairly primitive in their > > workings. > > No, she used the dagger to cut the straps binding her wrists. Of course, > after having her wrists strapped for weeks or months she should not have > been able to use her hands, but those things don't bother people like > Callisto and Xena. > > Boeotian Check your tapes! I just did. She did both, sequentially. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:14:37 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Waggling ;) [was: Lucy TV Appearances] On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:17, Jackie M. Young wrote: > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:28:13 +1300, cr wrote: > >so I waited until one of their owners showed up, > >borrowed his key, unlocked the trunk with the 'waggle' technique, and I > >was mobile again. ) > > > >"I have many skills" - cr desperately trying to pretend he's On Topic > >;) > > --*Awww*.....just admit it, Thel--you're a "waggler"!! ;=) > > You should write a book--"Confessions of a Car Waggler". ;=) LOL > > > --Jackie > I *really* think we'd better drop this one before too many possible interpretations of 'waggling' creep in...... ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:37:20 +1300 From: cr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 DVD's This is probably old news to those who have the DVD's... but I'm just watching The Furies and I've gotta say, this set is incredible value! Not only the episode, plus an interview, but there's an audio commentary (with RT and Liz Friedman) and a 'video commentary' with RT, Liz and R J Stewart. The audio commentary is the standard type we're used to, where the comments are overlaid on the episode in 'real time'. The video commentary isn't really a commentary in that sense, it's more a series of clips from the ep intercut with shots of the commentators (though it shares some of the soundtrack with the video commentary). It's a properly edited production all on its own, and highly entertaining. But anyway, a lot of effort went into producing this set. RT's comment on the Furies' dance at the start cracked me up - "I can't believe we got away with this on television". Yep, Asa Lindh (was it?) is *hot*..... Must... go... watch... more... DVD.... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:42:38 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: CNN.com article on Dickson On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:19, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/1/2004 3:23:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz > > writes: > > I can only surmise what 'industry' people may think, but I'd imagine it's > > similar to what the average Kiwi does. Which is, they all know it was > > an American-originated and funded production. They're modestly proud > > (if that's not an oxymoron!) of the very substantial New Zealand > > contribution, but I don't think any of them for a moment would deny that > > RenPics set the whole thing up. > > > > And as I said before, for a while Pacific Renaissance virtually *was* the > > New Zealand film industry. > > You know, I hadn't looked at it quite that way, but a Kiwi reporter said > something very similar. For me, so much of the "magic" was the Kiwi "can > do" spirit, which Kiwi's may take for granted. As an American, I tend to > take for granted the technical razzle dazzle and production savvy. The > sense of humor and inventiveness about what 'Mericans might throw our hands > up at was very refreshing. > > When I was in NZ on my Habitat trip, helping build houses, we Americans > were always looking for outlets to plug in power saws, drills, etc. > Meanwhile, the Kiwis (all women on this particular project) would have > whatever it was half done by the time we got back. It wasn't just not > having access to certain equipment, as they liked a more hands-on approach > or figuring out how to solve the problem other ways. Umm, in that I lean towards the American way :) While I profess to despise the total dependence on power gadgets, I have to admit that in practice I much prefer using a gadget to manual labour. Depends on the job, of course, if the gadget can *really* save labour I'm all for it. > (Like a certain person > who probably wouldn't use cruise control even if he had it and was on some > long stretch of highway.) Quite so ;) In fact the first thing I do with long stretches of highway is turn off them and find a more interesting route. No kidding. > My own main contribution was suggesting > assembly lines and templates for repetitive tasks, as opposed to being > creative all the time. (Ah, American efficiency. < snort>) I get the point, and I think the assembly-line approach is an excellent idea for those boring repetitive tasks. (I *hate* measuring things and marking out over and over.....) > Yes, Renaissance provided the opportunity, but I wonder if Kiwis outside > the industry have any idea how much their compatriots made it all work -- > not just by creatively milking a modest budget, but in the offbeat "feel" > of the show and the camaraderie. The talent they lent in so many ways > (Lucy being a huge contributor) seems to get lost under the "foreign" > leadership of Herc/Xena. Still, it's understandable there might be more of > a sense of pride and ownership in productions that weren't so heavily > dependent on one U.S. company. > > -- Ife Well, I don't think the NZ contribution gets 'lost', nor do I think the fact of it being an American-inspired series gets forgotten. I think it's recognised for what it is. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:35:05 -0000 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 DVD's I am also behind on thsi thread as my copies of the DVDs only arrived last Monday as the trans Atlantic carrier pigeon had to take an indirect route. I must say this set is awesome. The only thing I could want that isn't there are the episode promos, but there are hours of extras. I spent a lot of time at the weekend watching the set and that was just the extras, I haven't watched the eps yet. The best part, for me, was the extra material for Sacrifice 2, showing extra dialogue, deleted scenes etc. Those extra bits really showed so much more depth to the eps. Not just the rough cuts of special effects, but more dialogue that gave more insight. There has to be more stuff like that lying around somewhere that could be included on future releases. Loved Hudson't comments about Callisto being a dumb god. Also, in the interview about Vanishing act, Lucy thinks this ep is a real stinker and thinks it is the worst ep of all. ROC disagrees with her and mentions an ep in season 5, but doesn't name it. From her description, can anyone else identify the ep she was talking about? Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:26:30 +0000 From: Silenus Subject: [chakram-refugees] Been There, Done That My most enduring memory of this episode is the achingly beautiful tableau of X&G laying down to rest after the death of Joxer, with its contrasts of light and shadow, full face and profile, blonde and raven- dark hair, with its story of the guilt and pain of bereavement, the comfort of loved ones, the beauty of women and the healing balm of sleep. - -- "Sleep now! It'll hurt less in the morning." - Xena: "Been There, Done That" Silenus, an over-exuberant fan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:35:10 +0000 From: Silenus Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The Seasons [was: Ratings] cr writes > >Path not Taken and CoW are eps that I can quite happily miss. Not eps I >dislike, as such, but fairly forgettable. > Forgettable? Eeeeeeuw! There are a (very) few bits of the show I'd like to forget but I can't get even them out of my mind. Chariots: Xena practicing her field hospital skills on herself - how could that be forgettable? Xena in that lovely blue dress - just her colour; Xena holding up the fight so she can modify said dress for fighting suitability by ripping it down the sides. Also, with my Subtext Hindsight control set to maximum, Gab chatting up Xena with her story of the trees in the forest and Xena playing it cool but really lapping it up. Path not taken: Xena as one of the boys in the tavern, Xena's first hot tub scene, the death of Marcus, the first ever funeral lament. I hope it's a very long time before my tired old brain forgets any of it. - -- "Well, congratulations! Looks like we're a two-horse family." - Xena: "Animal Attraction" Silenus, an over-exuberant fan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:17:05 +0000 From: Silenus Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Been There, Done That and The Dirty Half Dozen Cheryl Ande writes > >The Dirty Half Dozen is an episode that has grown on me over time. I always >liked the music but I thought the plot a bit creaky. I never though Agonon >looked like he could possibly be Ares chosen and that was a real problem for >me. Yes, he had "loser" stamped on his forehead, didn't he? I guess they were going for the youth demographic with him. I sometimes think that Ares sets up all these no-hopers just for the pleasure of watching Xena clobber them. > - -- "Well, congratulations! Looks like we're a two-horse family." - Xena: "Animal Attraction" Silenus, an over-exuberant fan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:49:44 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances At 04:28 PM 2/28/2004 +1300, you wrote: >(*** specially in old, slightly worn locks. At one time I had three >1960/70's English cars - this is a few years ago - with about six keys >between them, what with door locks, locking gas caps, etc - and *any one* of >the keys would open any of the cars, start the motor and let me drive away, >if waggled gently and skilfully enough..... I had one and currently have one that "anything" remotely resembling a key will work it. More OT Xena alumni capture the Academy Awards. It is amazing how much of a KEY (how's that for getting back on topic) XWP was. Would LOTR have been able to be produced without XWP? Whould shows like "Buffy" et al. ever happened without XWP? LeeD ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #63 *************************************