From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #60 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, February 29 2004 Volume 04 : Number 060 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances [Silenus ] [chakram-refugees] More XWP Inventions (was Re: Lucy TV Appearances) [Ife] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #59 ["Cheryl Ande" >>Well, at that stage, I don't think there was a relationship. Xena > >>didn't particularly want Gabs along but she couldn't shake her off. >> > > > >"Quickie" or not, they decided to be "friends" in the first ep. That's not > >some time of "relationship" to you? And I find it hard to believe Xena > >couldn't have shaken Gabs off permanently any time she wanted. > > All depends how you interpret the word 'relationship'. I've got > relationships with people at work - some of 'em, if they disappeared, > I wouldn't notice for several weeks. ;) >> I was asking about "friend." > << I discounted the notion that > >giving Gabs' "space" to leave was as significant to X&G's interactions as > >the times when Gabs was -- to use your definition -- literally in Xena's > >space. It's also why I gave less value to Xena's going off to do her thing > >and left Gabs to sit (preferably where Xena left her) doing her thing. > >They're still not literally in each other's space, needing to figure out > >comfortable distances. > > < you mean you attached less significance to it? Yes, as an indicator of the degree to which Xena gave Gabs opportunity to coexist equally in Xena's space -- at least when Xena was "working." Xena's "job" as a warrior was a key part of her life, of who she was. In the beginning, she didn't even include Gabs in planning missions, let alone willingly allowed Gabs much leeway in terms of Gabs jumping into the fray. > >No, it's more like a gun that *is* loaded, but not fired. You still > know > >it could be lethal if you chose to use it -- which Gabs did in Ides. > >That's very different from early Gabs. > > OK, but still the same thing in practical terms, right up to the point (in > Ides) where Gabs cut loose. Hmm, she did join in the fight at the start of > > Ides, agreed. IIRC that was something of a departure for her, in previous > eps she wouldn't even do that. >> Again, my point was that option didn't even exist early on. Gabs knew what she was capable of, as did Xena. It was always Gabs' choice in S4 whether to use her fighting abilities. It was one thing for her to expouse peace when she couldn't do much to help anyway. In S4, she had to live with the tension of seeing people get hurt, but not being as effective as she could in helping. She saw Xena in danger and, as she said, *chose* the way of friendship -- to use her fighting skills rather than sit by and watch Xena killed. > < >>increased by the fact > >>that Gabs couldn't (wouldn't, whatever) look after herself. >> > > > >I didn't get that. I remember at the end of The Convert, when she tells > >Gabs she's cool with being the fighter of the two. > > Or was she just being polite? >> Why would she? She never wanted Gabs to fight in the first place. She was much more afraid of taking Gabs down a path that wasn't right for her. No, I think Xena was actually relieved. The protecting was back in her hands, which I believe she was quite comfortable with. > > >It didn't stop Xena from going after > >Pompey, Caesar, etc., in favor of staying behind to protect Gabs. Perhaps > >"unease" is true, but I didn't see it affecting Xena's uncertainty. > > At that stage Xena had decided that the only way to get rid of the Caesar > threat was to remove him permanently. >> Also earlier, in A Good Day. >> - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:22:23 +0000 From: Silenus Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances Cheryl Ande writes > > What I found the >most amusing was the fact she forgot where she parked the car - as we all know >Lucy is constantly saying she doesn't remember scenes in Xena episodes - >obviously she lives her life in a state of blissful forgetfulness. > Probably spent too long in Aiden's palace. - -- "Gods! This is bliss!" - Gabrielle: "Paradise Found" Silenus, an over-exuberant fan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:11:35 +0000 From: Silenus Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances cr writes > >(*** specially in old, slightly worn locks. At one time I had three >1960/70's English cars - this is a few years ago - with about six keys >between them, what with door locks, locking gas caps, etc - and *any one* of >the keys would open any of the cars, start the motor and let me drive away, >if waggled gently and skilfully enough..... > So much for security, then. ::sigh:: - -- "Well, congratulations! Looks like we're a two-horse family." - Xena: "Animal Attraction" Silenus, an over-exuberant fan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 00:28:13 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:53, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/26/2004 11:35:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > >>Well, at that stage, I don't think there was a relationship. Xena > > >>didn't particularly want Gabs along but she couldn't shake her off. >> > > > > > >"Quickie" or not, they decided to be "friends" in the first ep. That's > > > not some time of "relationship" to you? And I find it hard to believe > > > Xena couldn't have shaken Gabs off permanently any time she wanted. > > > > All depends how you interpret the word 'relationship'. I've got > > relationships with people at work - some of 'em, if they disappeared, > > I wouldn't notice for several weeks. ;) >> > > I was asking about "friend." > > > << I discounted the notion that > > > > >giving Gabs' "space" to leave was as significant to X&G's interactions > > > as the times when Gabs was -- to use your definition -- literally in > > > Xena's space. It's also why I gave less value to Xena's going off to > > > do her thing and left Gabs to sit (preferably where Xena left her) > > > doing her thing. They're still not literally in each other's space, > > > needing to figure out comfortable distances. > > > > < > you mean you attached less significance to it? > > Yes, as an indicator of the degree to which Xena gave Gabs opportunity to > coexist equally in Xena's space -- at least when Xena was "working." > Xena's "job" as a warrior was a key part of her life, of who she was. In > the beginning, she didn't even include Gabs in planning missions, let alone > willingly allowed Gabs much leeway in terms of Gabs jumping into the fray. Yup, OK. > > >No, it's more like a gun that *is* loaded, but not fired. You still > > > > know > > > > >it could be lethal if you chose to use it -- which Gabs did in Ides. > > >That's very different from early Gabs. > > > > OK, but still the same thing in practical terms, right up to the point > > (in Ides) where Gabs cut loose. Hmm, she did join in the fight at the > > start of > > Ides, agreed. IIRC that was something of a departure for her, in > > previous eps she wouldn't even do that. >> > > Again, my point was that option didn't even exist early on. Gabs knew what > she was capable of, as did Xena. It was always Gabs' choice in S4 whether > to use her fighting abilities. It was one thing for her to expouse peace > when she couldn't do much to help anyway. In S4, she had to live with the > tension of seeing people get hurt, but not being as effective as she could > in helping. She saw Xena in danger and, as she said, *chose* the way of > friendship -- to use her fighting skills rather than sit by and watch Xena > killed. Umm, the fight I was referring to in Ides was the one on the wharf where Gabs intervened to save Amarice. Which was something she would have been capable of even as far back as late S1, I think. As I recall, though, from the end of The Way on, up until that point, Gabrielle wouldn't even go that far. > > < > >>increased by the fact > > >>that Gabs couldn't (wouldn't, whatever) look after herself. >> > > >I didn't get that. I remember at the end of The Convert, when she tells > > >Gabs she's cool with being the fighter of the two. > > > > Or was she just being polite? >> > > Why would she? She never wanted Gabs to fight in the first place. She was > much more afraid of taking Gabs down a path that wasn't right for her. No, > I think Xena was actually relieved. The protecting was back in her hands, > which I believe she was quite comfortable with. Except when Xena had to be elsewhere. Like in Ides. > > >It didn't stop Xena from going after > > >Pompey, Caesar, etc., in favor of staying behind to protect Gabs. > > > Perhaps "unease" is true, but I didn't see it affecting Xena's > > > uncertainty. > > > > At that stage Xena had decided that the only way to get rid of the Caesar > > threat was to remove him permanently. >> > > Also earlier, in A Good Day. >> > > -- Ife Umm, I think not. In AGD she seemed to be content to let Pompey and Caesar cancel each other out, as long as they stayed in their own backyard. Pompey knew that, he said as much in Endgame just before he tried to backstab Xena. And Xena came back with one of those lovely lines - "It isn't about balance any more". cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:47:06 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] More XWP Inventions (was Re: Lucy TV Appearances) In a message dated 2/27/2004 8:49:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > Another occasion I locked the keys of my wife's Ford Escort in the trunk, > in > a hospital car park. There were a few other Fords in the car park - > Cortinas and Escorts - so I waited until one of their owners showed up, > borrowed his key, unlocked the trunk with the 'waggle' technique, and I was > mobile again. ) > > "I have many skills" - cr desperately trying to pretend he's On Topic > ;) > Awww, why bother? We're so far OT these days, the XWP discussions have become OT. However, because it's fun trying make OT relevant, I must say your "waggle" technique for picking locks does have precedence on XWP, though our girls usually didn't have benefit of an actual key. I believe Gabs used the technique (with a knife?) early on to free the girls in Ties. Xena, course, usually preferred the less painstaking "smash or cut" method. I do recall her using the "waggle" (with a skeleton finger bone?) when she was in the body of that little girl. I'm not counting Autolycus, since he was a "professional." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:47:07 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances In a message dated 2/27/2004 6:59:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > << Well she finally finds her car and I think Rob is even going to let his > memory challenged wife drive. >> Actually, I think they might've gone to the event (or were going to leave) separately, and/or that that was Lucy's car. There certainly didn't seem to be any question about who was going to drive. At any rate, what really tickled me was that I don't think the Uncensored folks knew Rob was "the husband." He stood patiently in the background with a wry smile, helped carry Lucy's stuff like her personal secretary. He never did the protective/possessive thing or interfered with Lucy's handling of the situation. (It's times like that the I really like RT and smile at the good vibes I get when I see him and LL together.) The announcer certainly never identified Rob or even referred to him as "the strange guy with Lucy." Heh. > << What I found the > most amusing was the fact she forgot where she parked the car - as we all > know > Lucy is constantly saying she doesn't remember scenes in Xena episodes - > obviously she lives her life in a state of blissful forgetfulness. > Losing one's car in parking lot isn't particularly unusual, but I do think Lucy indeed represents the epitome of a "live in the moment" person for a host of other reasons. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:47:08 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson In a message dated 2/27/2004 6:18:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, nzjester@ihug.co.nz writes: > Even Peter Jackson's Weta Workshop people got some training on XWP &Herc > His company Weta is in the credits of quite a few of the Xena &Herc eps > > I remember watching a show about the making of his movie with Michael J Fox > "The Frighteners" > where they took a tour through the Weta workshop and hanging on one of the > walls beside some other > props was the Evil Centaur Dagnine costume from Xena > The U.S. press has been making quite a big deal about NZ's new status in the film industry. They refer back to a couple of other movies shot there (e.g., The Piano). They talk about how the landscape itself has become so important in "fantasy" films, as opposed to CGI -created or enhanced scenes. I keep waiting for them to mention Herc/Xena and the tremendous influence those shows had in developing and exposing benefits to this point. Very few media stories do more than give Herc/Xena passing mention as being filmed in NZ, if they mention the shows at all. I've read comments from Lucy about how proud she is of Rob's contribution to all that, how frustrating it is that he doesn't get more credit. I wonder if it's snobbishness, ignorance or simply the assumption that that's not "news." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:46:28 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #59 > ------------------------------ >> In a message dated 2/26/2004 8:39:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > xwpacolyte@comcast.net writes: > > > Now that you mention it, I do recall Najara being in Xena's vision. I've > > never thought > > about it before, but if Xena saw Najara in her vision, why was she willing > > to leave > > Gabrielle with her? Seems like she would've grabbed Gabby and headed for the > > hills. > > There must be something I'm not remembering correctly here. Comments anyone? > > > You are of course quite right - Xena did see Najara in her vision. Maybe Xena just forgot about Najara because she was obsessing about the crucifixition. I suspect that she might have remember just before Najara conked her on the head but of course my now it was just a little late (g). Then again perhaps the fact that this part of Alti's vision did come true made Xena even more desperate to save Gabrielle later on when they met up with Aiden. If Alti was right about Najara then she might have been right about Gabrielle dying. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #60 *************************************