From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #59 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, February 28 2004 Volume 04 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Other PacRen Shows [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson [NZJester ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances [cr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:18:30 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Other PacRen Shows On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:02, meredith wrote: > Hi, > > I just watched H:TLJ's "Les Contemptibles" ... I never really watched Herc > unless there was a crossover, so I'd managed to miss this > one. Fortunately, my "Danielle Cormack" TiVo WishList grabbed it for me > from SciFi this week. :) God, what silliness. Those accents!!! Danielle > was great, though. Fencing dockside in a corset ... be still my heart. > They clearly had *way* too much fun making that episode. And in the tradition of RenPics clipshows, they did an excellent job of taking the mickey out of themselves. The appalling 'french' accent thing was first done, or at least most memorably, by Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau, of course. TPTB came up with a new twist on it - the appalling Falafel started speaking perfect French (so far as I can tell) and they promptly complained they couldn't understand him. :) By the way, the other Dani Cormack crossover you really want to catch is 'Sky High', where she's in character as Ephiny. > Speaking of SciFi, in case anyone out there isn't aware, they're running > two episodes of _Cleopatra 2525_ back-to-back from 5-6 am Eastern/Pacific > on Sunday mornings. (Once again, thank you TiVo. ;) I don't know what > happened back when the show was on the air, but I missed a *ton* of > them!! It's been kinda fun catching up. Though Cleo hasn't gotten any > less annoying as time has gone by. > > They just don't make intentionally cheezy TV like that these days. 'intentionally' being the operative word, I presume? ;) Actually, I did have time for Cleo. She learnt quite fast, in a situation not of her making. There were a lot of really original and clever ideas in that series, but I guess the cheese factor (and the whoosh-bang-let's-blow- something-up factor) tended to swamp them. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:23:31 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) In a message dated 2/26/2004 8:39:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, xwpacolyte@comcast.net writes: > Now that you mention it, I do recall Najara being in Xena's vision. I've > never thought > about it before, but if Xena saw Najara in her vision, why was she willing > to leave > Gabrielle with her? Seems like she would've grabbed Gabby and headed for the > hills. > There must be something I'm not remembering correctly here. Comments anyone? > I don't think Xena ever saw Najara's face. You see a flash of her, which I admit would've been hard to forget with that costume. But the main thing Alti focused on was Xena lying defeated (and maybe dying) on the floor. Xena probably didn't think about it until after or maybe during her fight with Najara. Of all the images Alti showed her, seems the main one she remembered (or at least played back in her head) was the one with Gabs in it. We could chalk that up as another example of her muddleheadedness. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:23:32 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson In a message dated 2/26/2004 3:41:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, KLOSSNER9@aol.com writes: > Sifting through hundreds of historical images, Dickson worked for 14 months > > with an 80-person team to create more than 2,000 costumes that properly > represented the attire of commoners, nobility and soldiers in 19th-century > Japan. > > The elaborate battle armor worn by Katsumoto, played by best supporting > actor > nominee Ken Watanabe, mirrors that worn by other samurai leaders of the > period, said Dickson. > Boy, was XWP ever a great training ground for just about every era and type of costume. It's amazing that the support folks for the show (costumes, music) could be deemed so good, yet so little credit given to the show itself or the stars. I'm glad to see any of them getting acknowledgement, though. I'm surprised Peter Bell hasn't made more of a name with stunts. Anybody know if he worked on the NZ films? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 19:28:48 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (4) On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:40, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/2004 1:48:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > >I was speaking of "space" in the context of negotiation betwen the > > >characters in terms of how they'll operate together relationship. > > > > Well, at that stage, I don't think there was a relationship. Xena > > didn't particularly want Gabs along but she couldn't shake her off. >> > > "Quickie" or not, they decided to be "friends" in the first ep. That's not > some time of "relationship" to you? And I find it hard to believe Xena > couldn't have shaken Gabs off permanently any time she wanted. All depends how you interpret the word 'relationship'. I've got relationships with people at work - some of 'em, if they disappeared, I wouldn't notice for several weeks. ;) > > >Early > > >on, Xena didn't give Gabs much space to mess up, give suggestions, > > >particpate or whatever when it came to certain missions, because she > > > didn't let/ask Gabs go along. Xena went solo. To me that's not > > > "giving space" in terms of letting Gabs do the above in those > > > situations. That's denying the possibility that Gabs will have any > > > space to work in. I'm not saying Xena was wrong. I just see that > > > differently than giving Gabs space to leave if she wanted or to do what > > > she wanted that wasn't dangerous. > > > > Ah, see I would have called it much _opportunity_ to mess up etc etc. >> > > Whatever works. At least I think you get the general idea of what I was > saying. Yes. > > > >I don't know much about physics and such, but aren't there laws about > > >matter occupying the same space? > > > > I rather think you're thinking of somebody's (was it Pauli's?) Exclusion > > Principle, which says in effect that two particles cannot occupy the same > > space at the same time. I think it actually refers to electron orbits. > > Not really relevant to the argument, even metaphorically, I think. >> > > A physicist on another list related various principles to relationships, > especially in terms of attraction and emplosion (?). That might be too > subtexty for you, plus there's no way in Tartarus I want to go further with > this, so let's leave it alone. Oh, agreed. And even more, way too metaphysical. > > Your 'space' is too metaphysical for me. I tend to be literal-minded > > about > > words. To me, space is that which is measured in three dimensions. If > > I figuratively talk about 'my space' I mean a physical area which I am > > occupying. Or using, or working in. So, to me, someone who takes off > > over > > the horizon and leaves me to it cannot possibly be intruding on my > > space.>> > > Exactly! You don't have to worry about whether they're getting too close, > how often they do that, etc. That's why I discounted the notion that > giving Gabs' "space" to leave was as significant to X&G's interactions as > the times when Gabs was -- to use your definition -- literally in Xena's > space. It's also why I gave less value to Xena's going off to do her thing > and left Gabs to sit (preferably where Xena left her) doing her thing. > They're still not literally in each other's space, needing to figure out > comfortable distances. I actually like your literal view, but got into a > more "metaphysical" one because of KT's use of "space." My gyrations were > because I was trying to 'splain myself using her words. Oh, OK, I'll shoot KT instead then. (Launches ICBM in the general direction of Alaska. [bang] ) There, that's done. Now, as we were saying... you gave less value to Xena going off to do her thing - I think you mean you attached less significance to it? Umm, I've lost the thread, less significance than which? > > >I wasn't saying that. Gabs did have abilities, which she chose not to > > > use -- at least in the same way. > > > > Which, in practical terms, is identical with not having those abilities > > at all. Like a gun that isn't loaded. >> > > No, it's more like a gun that *is* loaded, but not fired. You still know > it could be lethal if you chose to use it -- which Gabs did in Ides. > That's very different from early Gabs. OK, but still the same thing in practical terms, right up to the point (in Ides) where Gabs cut loose. Hmm, she did join in the fight at the start of Ides, agreed. IIRC that was something of a departure for her, in previous eps she wouldn't even do that. Her powder puff had to be the silliest 'weapon' ever conceived, how she or LL could keep a straight face I don't know. > > >She still managed to save Amarice's butt, her > > > > > >own butt and ultimately Xena's butt (if temporarily). This didn't > > > impact Xena much, as she simply reverted back to the take-all-comers > > > style of previous years. But, again, my point was that Xena's > > > conflictedness had nothing to do with whether or not Gabs fought, or > > > how well. > > > > Umm. Agreed, the roots of Xena's uncertainty weren't in Gabs' > > (effective) lack of fighting ability, but I think Xena's unease was > > increased by the fact > > that Gabs couldn't (wouldn't, whatever) look after herself. >> > > I didn't get that. I remember at the end of The Convert, when she tells > Gabs she's cool with being the fighter of the two. Or was she just being polite? > But just in case, she had Amarice look out for Gabs. Much though I like Amarice enormously, I'd concede to anyone that the degree of protection she could give was not in the same class as Xena's. It might suffice against the occasional highway ruffian, but not against a squad of Romans. And Xena knew that, I'm sure. > It didn't stop Xena from going after > Pompey, Caesar, etc., in favor of staying behind to protect Gabs. Perhaps > "unease" is true, but I didn't see it affecting Xena's uncertainty. At that stage Xena had decided that the only way to get rid of the Caesar threat was to remove him permanently. (I notice Gabby didn't object as strongly about that as she did about Ming). So, she had no choice, but IMO she obviously wasn't 100% happy about leaving Gabs to it. > > However, my view is that much of Xena's uncertainty came from her fear > > that she was somehow going to be responsible for Gabs getting crucified. > > So to me, Gabs was an indirect cause of Xena 'not being herself'. Not > > because of > > anything she did, just that she was there. Had she been safe and far > > away, > > Xena would have been less apprehensive. This is why she tried (as KT > > said) > > to give Gabs away even more than usual in S4. >> > > Where o where did I say differently? All I wanted to get across was > that I didn't think Gabs *did* anything in particular to cause Xena's > conflictedness. Gabs was not responsible for the vision. Gabs was not > responsible for how Xena reacted to the vision. Yes, I absolutely agree > that concern for Gabs was at the root of Xena's fear and indecisiveness. I > saw that reflected in Xena's behavior toward Gabs and anything connected to > Gabs. Umm. OK. I think this is starting to get obscure. I won't pursue it. (rest snipped) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:18:03 +1300 From: NZJester Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] CNN.com article on Dickson At 02:23 am 27/02/2004 -0500, Ife wrote: >Boy, was XWP ever a great training ground for just about every era and type >of costume. It's amazing that the support folks for the show (costumes, >music) >could be deemed so good, yet so little credit given to the show itself or the >stars. Even Peter Jackson's Weta Workshop people got some training on XWP & Herc His company Weta is in the credits of quite a few of the Xena & Herc eps I remember watching a show about the making of his movie with Michael J Fox "The Frighteners" where they took a tour through the Weta workshop and hanging on one of the walls beside some other props was the Evil Centaur Dagnine costume from Xena - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 21:59:11 -0500 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances I see that Lucy will be featured on a syndicated show called Entertainers this weekend. I know nothing about the series but in the Boston area it is on early Sunday morning 2 AM on the UPN station. Check your local listings. Also I caught Lucy on E's Celebrities Uncensored. For those who have never seen the show it shows video clips of celebrities in unguarded moments. This time it caught Lucy in a parking garage surrounded by about a dozen autograph hounds (all men). They were waving pictures right in her face and she was trying her best to sign them as she was walking. She obviously got a bit confused because suddenly Rob is heard yelling she was walking the wrong way. She about faces and the crowd just turns with her and she is still signing. By now she is getting just a trifle annoyed and announces that she will sign just five more autographs (not just one more or two more but five - Lucy is so tough (g)). Finally everyone seems satisfied and Lucy is now with Rob but by now she has forgotten where she has parked her car. She now turns to the autograph hunters, who by now are looking at like she is a goddess, and good naturedly orders them "to fan out", and they really seemed anxious to help her. Well she finally finds her car and I think Rob is even going to let his memory challenged wife drive. The announcer then says Lucy "is still a princess and always a lady." I have to say Lucy came as extremely patient and very good humored in a situation that must have been at the very least annoying and at most a bit frightening (those guys were really right on top of her). What I found the most amusing was the fact she forgot where she parked the car - as we all know Lucy is constantly saying she doesn't remember scenes in Xena episodes - obviously she lives her life in a state of blissful forgetfulness. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:28:13 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Lucy TV Appearances On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:59, Cheryl Ande wrote: > I have to say Lucy came as extremely patient and very good humored in a > situation that must have been at the very least annoying and at most a bit > frightening (those guys were really right on top of her). What I found the > most amusing was the fact she forgot where she parked the car - as we all > know Lucy is constantly saying she doesn't remember scenes in Xena episodes > - obviously she lives her life in a state of blissful forgetfulness. > > CherylA *Very* easy to do in a parking building, even when not distracted by a bunch of autograph hunters. I once went to the aid of a lady in a supermarket parking lot who was having trouuble getting into her car. Her key wouldn't work the lock. And I was just starting to waggle the key around gently (which usually works***) when she noticed that the contents of the car were 'wrong'. Yup, her car (same model, same colour) was parked a few spaces away. Lucky she spotted it or we could have both been most embarrassed if the real owner had showed up... (*** specially in old, slightly worn locks. At one time I had three 1960/70's English cars - this is a few years ago - with about six keys between them, what with door locks, locking gas caps, etc - and *any one* of the keys would open any of the cars, start the motor and let me drive away, if waggled gently and skilfully enough..... Another occasion I locked the keys of my wife's Ford Escort in the trunk, in a hospital car park. There were a few other Fords in the car park - Cortinas and Escorts - so I waited until one of their owners showed up, borrowed his key, unlocked the trunk with the 'waggle' technique, and I was mobile again. ) "I have many skills" - cr desperately trying to pretend he's On Topic ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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