From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #56 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, February 25 2004 Volume 04 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] More on Captioning [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (2) [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Ratings [cr ] Re: Ambiguities in XWP (was Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (2)) [cr <] Re: [chakram-refugees] Award orphans (Was The Furies) [cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] More on Captioning On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, meredith wrote: > Hi, > (friendly snippage for bandswidth> > > She also notices the writing more than the average bear, too, and I think > she would even if she weren't a writer by trade, because she relies on the > captions. This is why she enjoys the better-written shows (X:WP, anything > Joss Whedon's involved in, Alias, Joan of Arcadia, CSI, etc.) and hates > sitcoms. Wow this is fascinating--I just suddenly realized that this is more like a reading experience than I realized. It's reading a true picture book. A book that shows you all the descriptive passages so you don't have to read and translate them to pictures in your mind. Whenever I watch a foreign film, I always wonder what I've missed on screen as I'm reading the captions. Do they write "Oof!" and "Grrrrowl" and "ARGH!" during the fight scenes? They really need to caption the commentary also. > The written words are right up there in the forefront, so if the > dialogue is stupid it's going to be a huge turn-off. The dumbest, most inane closed captioning things are sports announcers. In bars, they often have the TV tuned to sports and the closed captioning on. It's hilariously insipid to read what they say. When you hear it, it's just conversation. But to read it is a crack-up--you just wonder WHY they're bothering to talk at all... > > If she were to read this she'd probably say "what the hell are you talking > about" :), but this is my perception, anyway ... hope it helps. > LOL! Sounds like one of my sisters! KT > > Meredith Tarr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:06:08 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (2) On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:40, KTL wrote: > Oh yeah. I don't get the people who think she's going to commit suicide. > If so, WHY would she bury her weapons. Xena's pragmatic--she probably > would have just sliced her throat with her chakram or pulled an Akemi and > gutted herself. Actually, she just buried 'em so TPTB could flashback to it before the battle in FIN. How's that for long-range planning? :) (snip) > > > And she realizes that because of her skills, she should > > > stay a warrior. But now she's a warrior for Good. > > > > Agreed. In fact, she'd virtually said as much, I think, at the end of > > Unchained Heart. > > > > cr > > I remember the most her saying to Herc something like, "Is this what it > feels like to be you." with the indication that she LIKES doing good. > > KT I don't remember the exact words, but it was something like that - certainly an upbeat ending. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:26:43 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Ratings On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:27, KTL wrote: > All opinions welcomed, few respected. Oooh. Can I steal that? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:42:13 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: Ambiguities in XWP (was Re: [chakram-refugees] Season Four (2)) On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 17:35, Lilli Sprintz wrote: > cr said, > > "But against that, I really couldn't see that Gabs falling down the hole > should really make Callisto so happy - it's not like she was one of the > charter members of the Can't-Stand-Gabby Society - so her amusement would > have to be faked as a provocation into making Xena kill her." > > > Actually, if you remember, Callisto liked to get at Xena through Gabrielle. > In Return of Callisto, she was originally going to kill Gabrielle to do > that, but couldn't get to her, and so killed Perdicus instead. ("that'll > do"). My sense is that Gab's death made her happy because of exactly > that...it was a way, again, that Callisto could feel "good" about seeing > Xena in pain because her friend had died. > > Lilli But, as Callisto found in Maternal Instincts when Solan died, that was a hollow victory. It didn't strike me that Callisto was getting any satisfaction (in the sense of revenge) from Gabs's death. In fact, by Sacrifice 2, she'd given up trying to make Xena suffer. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:20:29 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Award orphans (Was The Furies) On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:09, KTL wrote: > > The Original Twilight Zone was great. Farscape I've watched a few > > times... it > > was interesting, but never hooked me. > > The first ep I ever saw was just flipping through channels. And we came > across a scene of Chriton and Scorpius sitting in a red (I think it was > red) convertible. And chatting and seeing flashbacks to earth. And it was > just so weird... The Scorpy clone in Crichton's brain was a brilliant idea. You got to see this guy in a black leather suit who looked like a leftover from a horror/bondage movie, strolling through perfectly 'ordinary' scenes without the slightest acknowledgement that he looked so bizarre. The Scorpy clone was fun! > Then I really enjoyed Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun==I've said before, I > think she's the only actor I've ever seen whom I think COULD have been a > succesful Xena. Other than Lucy, of course. And I just don't think many > other people could have pulled that off in a way that I would have been > attracted to. I thought that at one time. I'm not sure, though, that Claudia could have pulled it off. Maybe she would come as close as anyone I can think of. What *made* Farscape was, IMO, (and to use a bit of jargon I usually deplore) - - it was character-driven. Like XWP in that respect, though Farscape had maybe half-a-dozen lead characters to XWP's two. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:17:24 EST From: Junejanu@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Ngila Dickson From the SciFi web site: "Ngila Dickson took home a trophy for her work in both The Last Samurai and The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King when the films tied in the excellence in film, period/fantasy category, at the sixth annual Costume Designers Guild Awards ceremonies on Feb. 21, according to The Hollywood Reporter." Also mentioned: Peter Jackson says that the LOTR crew will move on to the 'King Kong' movie project. Such LOTR crew being many members of the XWP crew. June ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:47:46 -0500 From: Lee Daley Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] More on Captioning At 01:00 AM 2/24/2004 -0900, KTL wrote: >The dumbest, most inane closed captioning things are sports announcers. >In bars, they often have the TV tuned to sports and the closed captioning >on. It's hilariously insipid to read what they say. When you hear it, it's >just conversation. But to read it is a crack-up--you just wonder WHY >they're bothering to talk at all... I noticed that during the Stuporbowl. "These guys really came to play football....." Exactly what else did you expect, that they were planning on a Yoga session perhaps. The comments from the one commentator were totally meaningless, I think he was playing without a helmet for way too long. Joxer's play by play in "Quill" was a masterpiece of intelligence by comparison. Back in the day when radio did much of the sports broadcasting, the play by play announcers really did a great job, but with TV there is no need to actually 'announce' the game. They current personalities are commentators, and that's all they do, make comments, inane ones most of the time. "Xena thrusts, parries, thrusts, an overhand, that one really hurt, he's lost his head, now a backhand, a triple somersault, she's really making things happen out there, that's 17 lethal blows in less than 30 seconds..........." LeeD ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #56 *************************************