From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #38 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, February 11 2004 Volume 04 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews ["A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie It's not the viewers that are relied on to pull in movie crowds, it's the *name*. 'Everybody' has heard of Xena. How many people read Spiderman or Batman comics? Or even Daredevil or Rocketman? Now, how many watched the movies? cr On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 06:45, Junejanu@aol.com wrote: > What I don't understand is why TPTB want to do a movie, looking at it from > a _strictly_ economic point of view. While there is a core of HCNB's, it > is relatively small. And even at its highest, the ratings for the show > were in the 6-7 range (which I believe translates to 6 mil - 7 mil > viewers). > > IMO, I cannot imagine a Xena movie putting enough fannies into the theater > seats to recover the investors' funds, let alone make a profit. Especially > when a production budget of $60 mil was mentioned in the past. > > Just my opinion, of course. > > June ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:11:26 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:15, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > Okay, I wouldn't mind that on a commentary devoted to production issues. > They had a little of that on the director's DVD in Best Buy's season 1. It > was indeed illuminating. There are just so many acting and story issues to > deal with, that I'd hate to see most of the air time taken up with what you > mention. If it could be integrated into discussion about how it influenced > the performance, I'd be okay with that. > > -- Ife Yep, so why not *two* commentaries? As I've said though, Sin Trade is one ep that cries out for a "how it was made" type commentary (The Debts is the other obvious one). *Any* of the episodes can have a commentary about acting and story issues, and many of them will have. Only a few are really suited to a commentary such as I've described. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:27:04 -0000 From: "A. Reddecliffe" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews > (Hmm, I missed Ann's original post somehow. I presume it was Ann's, since > KT was replying to her) And I was replying to someone else. I believe it was me who started the issue of ROC and TJ on Sin Trade > > > I would like to know why ROC > > > chose to shadow TJ. Was it just that she didn't have a lot to do in that > > > ep and decided to take the opportunity, or was it that she particularly > > > wanted to work with TJ. > T J certainly has a very distinctive style of camera work. I'm not sure > that he'd be the most obvious choice for a beginning director to model > themselves on. There is also the issue that ROC consistently talks about how much she likes the comedies. When she did the London convention she was talking about her love of slapstick and she really liked that aspect of ISAIH. From that POV it is interesting that she shadowed TJ - yes, he can do comedy, but he is much more of a visual director and his work really comes across so well in big dramas. Someone should give him a movie to do, you can just imagine how awesome his work could look on a big screen. At that point, I am sure ROC was expressing an interest in directing rather than preparing for an actual script. > > > > I'd agree, except maybe for the "get ROC to talk about the way of > > > > peace." I'm not sure how much new she could say about that. > > > I think it is only with the benefit of hindsight that this ep and the arc > > > is generated can be judged. The controversy that surrounded it at the > > > time prevented a rational appraisal of the themes at the time. Does she > > > think it was a mistake or a reasonable path on the voyage of self > > > discovery. As the character came full circle in FIN, where does this fit > > > in now? > > Was this 'The Way' we're discussing? The whole India arc needs a reflection in retrospect, but we were suggesting (or I was anyway) that a commentry on The Way would be interesting now. Regardless of any religious controversy, I think The Way was the most violent episode of any season, ironic when you think that it is remembered for the final scene when Gabrielle throws the staff away. The violence in Way was, in some senses more shocking than even in FIN. What do TPTB feel about that now? > Part of the controversy that was generated was, I think, because it made > pacifism look ridiculous. I think the fans who complained about that were > indulging in the fallacy (shared by many fans over many different issues) of > reading a universal message into the actions of one character. In other > words, "because Gabby's brand of pacifism is ridiculous for her in her > position, TPTB are rubbishing pacifism in general". I'm certain this > wasn't TPTB's intention; they wanted to show only how Gabrielle was > conflicted, not to make some sweeping philosophical or moral statement. > Just as Xena was uncertain of her 'way'. IMO. Some of the inconsistencies are acceptable in exploring a conflicted situation. How can anyone lead a non-violent life in a violent lifestyle? It is one thing to show the character being conflicted, provided the integrity of the character is maintained. I believe some of the objections came when people believed that the integrity was being compromised. There are times for everyone when we don't know what is the right thing to do, we would do what is right if we could only work out what that was. It is valid for the X & G characters to explore that and to make mistakes and compromises, provided that their integrity is maintained. There was a fine line to draw between conflict and hypocrisy and they didn't always get it right. I love the India arc - original, bold and thought provoking. Ann ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details Hi, In case I'm not the only one out there who didn't pre-order their Season 3 DVD set -- deepdiscountdvd.com has it for $42 and free shipping. Also, I hope this is just a typo -- it says in the "product details" for the set that there is *no* closed-captioning. This can't possibly be true, can it?! The episodes were captioned when they were broadcast, so there is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be captioned on the DVDs as well. This is a very serious issue for me, since my sister - -- who is the sole reason I ever heard about the show in the first place, and also a huge fan -- is hearing impaired, and without captioning this set is useless. Kym, Sharon, anyone who might have any influence at all on the people who put these sets together ... *please* do what you can to get the sets captioned. It is positively unconscionable not to provide captioning for *every* video and DVD release. It should be considered as standard as including the audio track. Meredith meth@smoe.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:27:35 -0800 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details From: "Meredith Tarr" > Kym, Sharon, anyone who might have any influence at > all on the people who put these sets together ... > *please* do what you can to get the sets captioned. I was told that the episodes are close captions for DVD 3 but not the extras. However, from DVD 4 all the episodes and extras will be close captioned. I have a set. If someone could tell me how to turn on the close captioning, I could check. I asked the DP people and they said to put my DVD player on mute and they would come up. I tried that and I did not get closed captioning. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:37:09 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details The first sets had no captioning, so this doesn't surprise me. I am watching my set right now, and there is no set-up option for closed captioning. However, there's *24* interview reasons to buy this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (from Best Buy or Future Shop, otherwise you only get 23) BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" >From: "Kym Taborn" >To: "Meredith Tarr" , >Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details >Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:27:35 -0800 > >From: "Meredith Tarr" > > > Kym, Sharon, anyone who might have any influence at > > all on the people who put these sets together ... > > *please* do what you can to get the sets captioned. > >I was told that the episodes are close captions for DVD 3 but not the >extras. However, from DVD 4 all the episodes and extras will be close >captioned. > >I have a set. If someone could tell me how to turn on the close captioning, >I could check. I asked the DP people and they said to put my DVD player on >mute and they would come up. I tried that and I did not get closed >captioning. > >Kym >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:34:14 -0500 From: "Ribaud, Lynn" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details For what it's worth: > From: "Meredith Tarr" > > > Kym, Sharon, anyone who might have any influence at > > all on the people who put these sets together ... > > *please* do what you can to get the sets captioned. > > I was told that the episodes are close captions for DVD 3 but not the > extras. However, from DVD 4 all the episodes and extras will be close > captioned. Seasons 1 and 2 DVD's certainly are not CC'd. The older VHS tapes had CC for season 1, but not 2, 3 or 4. I have never checked an S5 or S6 commercial tape. > I have a set. If someone could tell me how to turn on the > close captioning, > I could check. I asked the DP people and they said to put my > DVD player on > mute and they would come up. I tried that and I did not get closed > captioning. This is usually not a function of the DVD player. It is generally done in the TV. Closed captioning looks just like a regular part of the video to the player. If your TV does not have a closed caption menu selection, you probably cannot see the captions (and these are not to be confused with the foreign-language captions that are available in a set-up menu for many DVD's -- those are "open captions"). Lynn Lynn Ribaud ribaud@bnl.gov ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details Hi, > I was told that the episodes are close captions for > DVD 3 but not the > extras. However, from DVD 4 all the episodes and > extras will be close > captioned. That's good news, at least. I hope someday fully captioned versions of 1, 2, and 3 will be made available. > I have a set. If someone could tell me how to turn > on the close captioning, > I could check. As Lynn said, it's a function of your TV. Some TV remotes have a "cc" button on them. On other TVs, it's a setup menu option. Your owner's manual will tell you how to turn the captioning on. If you've bought your TV within the last 5 years, chances are very slim that you *don't* have some sort of captioning capability. Meredith meth@smoe.org __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: Meredith Tarr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details Hi, - --- Xena Torres wrote: > However, there's *24* interview reasons to buy this > set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... if you're not hearing impaired, sure. If you are hearing impaired, there is a grand total of 0 reasons to buy the set, because you're not going to know what's going on. Try turning your TV on "mute", and watch something you've never seen before (or maybe only once or twice before). See how long it takes before you're lost and frustrated. That's what it's like for a hearing impaired person to watch something that's not captioned. You can turn the volume back up ... a hearing impaired person can't. Meredith (who promises to shut up about this now :) meth@smoe.org ===== Meredith Tarr RWA meredith_tarr@yahoo.com Reply To: meredith.tarr@telethinking.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:51:14 -0800 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details Hi Meredith, I just picked up my set from Best Buy during lunch today and they're close-captioned. I can't see any reason for a set to be sold elsewhere not to have it as well. And seasons 4-6 will be as well :) Sharon >Hi, > >In case I'm not the only one out there who didn't >pre-order their Season 3 DVD set -- >deepdiscountdvd.com has it for $42 and free shipping. > >Also, I hope this is just a typo -- it says in the >"product details" for the set that there is *no* >closed-captioning. This can't possibly be true, can >it?! The episodes were captioned when they were >broadcast, so there is absolutely no reason why they >shouldn't be captioned on the DVDs as well. > >This is a very serious issue for me, since my sister >-- who is the sole reason I ever heard about the show >in the first place, and also a huge fan -- is hearing >impaired, and without captioning this set is useless. > >Kym, Sharon, anyone who might have any influence at >all on the people who put these sets together ... >*please* do what you can to get the sets captioned. >It is positively unconscionable not to provide >captioning for *every* video and DVD release. It >should be considered as standard as including the >audio track. > >Meredith >meth@smoe.org > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Season 3 technical details > I was told that the episodes are close captions for DVD 3 but not the > extras. However, from DVD 4 all the episodes and extras will be close > captioned. Yeah, at the Burbank con this was discussed, and the word was that 4-6 will have the captioning on the eps and extras. - -Sarah- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:56:49 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Got My BB S3 Boyohboyohboyohboy! Got the Best Buy S3 I ordered online. Haven't had a chance to do much besides gaze lovingly at the box. Oh, there are 8 dvd's and one CD-ROM. According to the pre-release promo, the extra is a "special 30-minute Retrospective Featurette on the acclaimed episode 'Sacrifice - Part I & II," which is on disc 8. Oh, all right! I'll go check it out, if you insist. < g> Okay, a few highlights from the bonus retropsective: we've got Sears talking about how Sacrifice developed as a wrap-up of what preceded and as a clffhanger. Writer Paul Robert Coyle mentions how they kept the ending a secret from the intetnet. Rick Jacobson, director, talks about shooting ROC as two characters, choreographing the final fall, and ROC nailing the "goodbye, I'm sorry" look. We get to see Whoosh's Kym Taborn interviewing a few folks, including Hudson, who says Cally was "scheming and manipulative but not particularly bright." She says the directors pretty much left Cally up to her, that she loved playing those last moments in Sacrifice and saw Cally as "a once in a lifetime character" to play. There are also comments cr might appreciate from film editor Rob Field and sound designer Jason Schmid, who says all the "whooshes" started as a joke that continued to get more "over the top." The disc concludes with tributes to Kevin Smith, from Hudson, Sears and Jacobson. A little less than 30 minutes of actual talking. Not sure how it'll compare to the other Sacrifice commentary, in terms of whether it's worth choosing Best Buy. Admittedly, I'm a "the more the merrier" kind of gal when it comes to XWP. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V4 #38 *************************************