From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V4 #35 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, February 9 2004 Volume 04 : Number 035 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] "Doctor" Horse Call [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews [cr ] [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie [Wizdym4@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Xena Newsletter #24 [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaSc] RE: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie ["bookdaft" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:04, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/2004 11:01:27 AM Central Standard Time, > > aemoses@comcast.net writes: > > ife wrote in response to: > > >>Does ROC get in there anywhere? :-) >> > > > > > >Well, I did have her at first, but then realized we were talking about > > > SIN TRADE. Otherwise, yes, I would've included her too. Tsk tsk. I'm > > > not > > > > *that* > > > > >bad. > > > > well of course i think ROC could fit in perfectly since she was there off > > screen (dedicated soul that she is) and undoubtedly had, although she may > > not still have, observations on lucy's performance, endurance, trials, > > general wonderfulness and other items of consuming interest. what it was > > like for her to be an observer; just any old thing. and yeah, i'm > > *exactly* that bad. >> > > No, no, no! I'm not that bad either. I was talking specifically about > guest actors reacting to the main actors -- which in ST wouldn't apply to > ROC. I'd love to hear ROC's comments on the above, as a budding director, > general observer, and expert on Lucy. She might even have noticed things > about the guest actors' responses. I have an extremely high regard for > ROC's > multi-dimensional observations. As I've said before, I learn a lot more > about what was going on, than I do from Lucy. In fact, some of Lucy's best > info comes because of a question/comment from ROC, as in the Coffee Talk > tape where they discuss what Lucy was thinking during the campfire scene in > "Callisto." So, yes, I'm all for having ROC involved as you suggest. > Hmm, I'll have to be very careful how I say this, lest I be misinterpreted. My first reaction is that I'd have mixed feelings about ROC being involved. What I would hope to get from a director's commentary in Sin Trade is some background into things like, how did they find the locations, and how did they get all those Amazons up the mountain, and so on. Things which I imagine T J Scott will know about, but ROC might well not. I wouldn't really want them diluted or deflected by any 'general observer' s questions about technique. (Waits for the storm of protest to subside...) Having said that, I've watched the Friend in Need commentary and I can't accuse ROC of having been a distraction there. IIRC, she didn't talk all that much, but the comments she made were relevant or informative. I do know that ROC is very thorough and pre-plans what she's going to do. I think the best scenario would be if T J (and maybe RT if he was involved) and ROC got together for a discussion on the making of the ep *before* the commentary, so that ROC would know when and where to ask a question or prompt T J. (Like that 'coffee talk' Ife mentioned, or like she did in FIN). Under those circumstances I'd see ROC's contribution as an asset. (Worst-case would be if they assembled to do the commentary with no time for preparation.) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:14:03 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Doctor" Horse Call On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 08:52, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > Okay, we know you can resurrect virtually anything in the Xenaverse, > including dead horses. So, why is Argo still dead? Huh? > I didn't recall seeing the name "Patricia Manney" on other eps. (Yes, cr, > I might have, if I'd watched Herc. ) Oooh. Bait. :) Don't recognise the name. Hmm, the only Herc eps I can find her listed as a writer for, are King for a Day and its sequel Long Live the King, both of which featured Iolaus, both of which were Herc-lite. Minor eps, but actually ones I quite like. Unlike, I might add, ITADITH. Dunno what that proves. > Turns out she's married to > executive producer Eric Gruendemann and was thoroughly knowledgeable about > the show. She says Tapert gave her a formidable challenge for the > production -- "4-1/2 days, one location, ER and kill Gabrielle." Works for me. 8) (Okay, ya don't want the one-liners, don't push my button ) > Oh, and > make it "exciting" enough for the audience to come back for the next > season. She says Tapert based his request on the fact that ER was the > "hottest show on television" at the time. I hate hospital shows and have done ever since 'Doctor Kildare'. Subtext-heavy.... based on a hospital show... Xena losing it.... does anyone wonder why I don't like ITADITH? :) But anyway, the interview with Manney was illuminating. My thanks to you and Sharon. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:32:14 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 05:40, mirrordrum wrote: > ife wrote in response to: > > > Does ROC get in there anywhere? :-) >> > > > > Well, I did have her at first, but then realized we were talking about > > SIN TRADE. Otherwise, yes, I would've included her too. Tsk tsk. I'm > > not > > *that* > > > bad. > > well of course i think ROC could fit in perfectly since she was there off > screen (dedicated soul that she is) and undoubtedly had, although she may > not still have, observations on lucy's performance, endurance, trials, > general wonderfulness and other items of consuming interest. what it was > like for her to be an observer; just any old thing. and yeah, i'm *exactly* > that bad. I do think, dear md, that Lucy's own observations on what it was like for her in filming it, would be of interest, though possibly on a separate commentary track (OK so I'm being greedy). I know RT, Lucy and ROC all combined in the same commentary on FIN and it worked fine, but logistically that was all filmed at Lion Park. Sin Trade was much more ambitious in that respect which is why, from the director, I want more. :) My reservations (which I've gone into further in another message) come from the fact that (I think) T J will probably have a lot of knowledge about the background to that ep - i.e. the 'making of' stuff. While (and I'm guessing here) ROC's involvement may have been limited to just being there on set at the time shooting was taking place. So (and again I'm guessing), T J's comments may well be much more informed and informative than anything ROC knows about, except maybe what she observed of director's technique. OTOH, if ROC and T J do some 'homework' beforehand, so ROC knows some background and what questions to prompt with (as Ife says she did in a 'coffee talk' with Lucy), then my reservations would go away. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 02:59:04 EST From: Wizdym4@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie Okay Folks, I am sorry, silly me, I honestly don't know which eps Kate Fugate has written, please fill me in, fellow nutballs. From her letter, she sounds like she'll be conscientious about her job of writing a movie script, but gosh, I hope she gets plenty of input from Tabert and Sears as she pens the Xena Movie so it's thoroughly grounded in the Xena persona. IMHO, the demise of Kevin Smith seriously handicaps the potential Xena plots, problematic is the operative term.. Truly loved ya!, Kevin. Also, the 25 year leap into season 6 also hamstrings the potentials plots, UNLESS, thru the magic of Xenaverse, she is transcended back in time, which has, however, mind-boggling implications...lol, what else is new? ...................>>>>>>>God/dess Inspire!.......>>>Carmon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:03:14 -0500 (EST) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Xena Newsletter #24 FYI EVERYONE! Panic over.... I received my newslette #24 in the mail over the weekend. Good articles Sharon! Cheryl X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRE3qxKKns3uzo6VJAaOvVwTbgJCgIVAJRB0lxY11RJY8G+Kt5BR1DyOlSk From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:42:19 -0500 (EST) To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: Xena Newsletter #24 Message-ID: <15323-4025BE2B-456@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Has anyone else NOT received this newsletter>? I have not but I have #25 that came with Kit 7. If lost in the mail would you forward another Sharon? Thanks, Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:39:00 -0500 From: "bookdaft" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie Katherine Fugate wrote When Fates Collide. One of the reasons given for selecting her was that she is an experienced film script writer who has written for the show and knows the characters. In many of her talks at the various cons, Katherine has said that she loved the show, knew a lot about it and went to Rob Tapert and RJ Stewart with a story pitch simply because she wanted to write a script for Xena. That seems like a fairly good vetting for writing the movie. Since Rob asked her to write a script, I presume she will work closely with him. He will, after all be the producer for the movie and as (executive) producer, it is up to him to be sure he has a script he likes. Otherwise, there's no point to having creative control, it seems to me. As for Steve Sears' involvement in the film, he didn't say whether he has been hired on to be part of the team or not. I have the impression he has his own projects in the works and may have no interest in participating in the film. Nothing has been said one way or the other, at least to my knowledge. Katherine has said that the film will take off from the finale. (From the reaction of the crowd in Burbank, this seems to be a popular idea.) In prior talks she has said that it is likely she won't try to use the Greek gods much (what's left of them), since their time is pretty much over in the Xenaverse. That would get around the problem of the loss of Kevin Smith. The film will try for a broader, more epic feel, which likely means expanding beyond Greece and the local area. Think on the scale of Destiny, but on a big screen. I can't answer much more than this, but my feeling is that Rob wouldn't have asked her to write the script if he didn't feel confident in her knowledge, understanding and love for the show. bd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Wizdym4@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 2:59 AM To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie Okay Folks, I am sorry, silly me, I honestly don't know which eps Kate Fugate has written, please fill me in, fellow nutballs. From her letter, she sounds like she'll be conscientious about her job of writing a movie script, but gosh, I hope she gets plenty of input from Tabert and Sears as she pens the Xena Movie so it's thoroughly grounded in the Xena persona. IMHO, the demise of Kevin Smith seriously handicaps the potential Xena plots, problematic is the operative term.. Truly loved ya!, Kevin. Also, the 25 year leap into season 6 also hamstrings the potentials plots, UNLESS, thru the magic of Xenaverse, she is transcended back in time, which has, however, mind-boggling implications...lol, what else is new? ...................>>>>>>>God/dess Inspire!.......>>>Carmon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= _____________________________________________________ This message scanned for viruses by CoreComm ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:08:48 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] re:potential Xena movie In a message dated 2/8/2004 12:03:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, Wizdym4@aol.com writes: > Also, the 25 year leap into season 6 also hamstrings the potentials > plots, UNLESS, thru the magic of Xenaverse, she is transcended back in time, > which > has, however, mind-boggling implications...lol, what else is new? > In one of the fan newsletters (#25), Paul Robert Coyle talks about everything they had to leave out of "Send in the Clones." He had some interesting ideas for X&G bumping around in the modern world. Heh, such movie could be both a clip show of old eps and avoid 'splaining what happened after the finale. I wasn't holding my breath about a movie, but Fugate's remarks do suggest the idea isn't as dead in the water as I thought. Plus, now that a little time has passed (and Lucy and ROC have gotten to do a few other things), I'm finding myself more open to a movie. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:08:49 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews In a message dated 2/7/2004 10:47:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > My reservations (which I've gone into further in another message) come from > > the fact that (I think) T J will probably have a lot of knowledge about the > > background to that ep - i.e. the 'making of' stuff. While (and I'm > guessing > here) ROC's involvement may have been limited to just being there on set at > > the time shooting was taking place. So (and again I'm guessing), T J's > comments may well be much more informed and informative than anything ROC > knows about, except maybe what she observed of director's technique. > > OTOH, if ROC and T J do some 'homework' beforehand, so ROC knows some > background and what questions to prompt with (as Ife says she did in a > 'coffee talk' with Lucy), then my reservations would go away. > My understanding is that ROC *always* does her homework. I bet she knew quite a bit about everything involved in Sin Trade, as well as managed to get inside TJ's head as he was directing. I think she'd have great questions for both TJ and Lucy. Her interviewing them would certainly be a fresher approach than the either the talking head or giggle fest versions, though I ain't complaining about any chances to hear backstory from Xenastaff. - -- Ife - -- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:08:50 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 3rd season DVD reviews In a message dated 2/7/2004 10:47:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > What I would hope to get from a director's commentary in Sin Trade is some > background into things like, how did they find the locations, and how did > they get all those Amazons up the mountain, and so on. Zzzzzzzz. How about Sharon gets a few lines about that in a Chakram newsletter, which I'd happily copy and send you, if you don't get the fan stuff. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 00:08:52 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Doctor" Horse Call In a message dated 2/7/2004 10:47:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 08:52, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > >Okay, we know you can resurrect virtually anything in the Xenaverse, > >including dead horses. > > So, why is Argo still dead? Huh? >> She lives on in Argo II, doesn't she? > > > >I didn't recall seeing the name "Patricia Manney" on other eps. (Yes, cr, > >I might have, if I'd watched Herc. ) > > Oooh. Bait. :) > > Don't recognise the name. Hmm, the only Herc eps I can find her listed as > a > writer for, are King for a Day and its sequel Long Live the King, both of > which featured Iolaus, both of which were Herc-lite. Minor eps, but > actually ones I quite like. >> Yes, she said the usual writers didn't fall over themselves for eps missing the star. She says she'd become friends with Hurst and that those were the first scripts she'd ever done. > I hate hospital shows and have done ever since 'Doctor Kildare'. > Subtext-heavy.... based on a hospital show... Xena losing it.... does > anyone wonder why I don't like ITADITH? :) > > But anyway, the interview with Manney was illuminating. My thanks to you > and Sharon. >> I'm sure I speak for both of us when I say, "you're welcome." - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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