From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #393 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, January 1 2004 Volume 03 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Who was Jiu in The Debt pt 2? [Sojourner ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:19:37 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: [chakram-refugees] Who was Jiu in The Debt pt 2? A friend has discovered that a long-lost friend played Jiu in The Debt 2. I can't finger out which one he was - doesn't seem to have dialogue (i.e. didn;t show up in the transcript on Whoosh! Was he Borias's henchman? The one who bopped her on the head? Liz ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:16:05 -0500 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Who was Jiu in The Debt pt 2? Sojourner wrote: > A friend has discovered that a long-lost friend played Jiu in The Debt 2. I > can't finger out which one he was - doesn't seem to have dialogue (i.e. > didn;t show up in the transcript on Whoosh! From the script: "Debt II" #VO407 3. Shooting Draft 7/3/97 THE WATERY PRISON - XENA'S POV In the shadows she sees the hulking figures of men who have been down here a long time. They're ugly, scrawny, hairy, and mean. Surrounding the polluted water are walls-where a series of ledges give some respite to soggy prisoners. ON XENA She walks towards one of the ledges. The other PRISONERS scurry like rats at her movement. There are also rats among them, scurrying like prisoners. Xena heads for one ledge in particular. One Prisoner, named JIU, leaps onto that ledge and stares down at Xena. JIU This one's mine. Xena looks around at all the other ledges. As she does, different Prisoners scurry onto them to make their claim. She notices one ledge higher up. She leaps out of the * water, does a twisting move, and lands on the higher ledge. * ************ ************ 11 INT. WATERY PRISON - ETERNAL NIGHT 11 Xena sits on her ledge, staring relentlessly into space. Suddenly, she becomes aware of some movement at her feet. She looks to see an OLD MAN slipping a dirty shirt onto the ledge. XENA What do you want, old Man? JIU He's offering you his shirt. XENA (to the Old Man) I don't want your clothes. The Old Man smiles at Xena and moves away, leaving the shirt behind. Then ANOTHER PRISONER steps up and leaves a small rag of a cloak on her ledge. XENA (to Jiu) What are they doing? JIU Clothing you. It's their way of paying tribute. XENA For what? JIU They heard what you did ... or tried to do. Kill the Emperor. XENA They like that, huh? JIU There's not a man here who hasn't lost many of his loved ones at the hands of that monster. XENA Where are you from? JIU The Kingdom of Lao. XENA You know of Lao Ma then? JIU Lao Ma? Of course. The wife of our King. Beautiful woman. XENA When did you last see her? We CLOSE ON JIU'S FACE as he recalls: CUT TO: 12 EXT. COURTYARD - DAY 12 Lao Ma is escorted into the courtyard by ARMED GUARDS. ON JIU He stands in A CROWD OF SPECTATORS struggling to see what happens to Lao Ma. ************ ************ 14 INT. WATERY PRISON - ETERNAL NIGHT 14 Xena sits on the ledge, shivering from pain herself, as if she suffered along with Lao Ma. XENA Who ordered the execution? JIU Emperor Ming T'ien. Like you, many of us had heard of her great powers and thought she would use them to escape. Perhaps, they were all a lie. XENA No. Her powers were real. ************ ************ 31 CONTINUED: 31 XENA (cont'd) Not long before I met you, I was at the end of my rope, ready to give up ... then I thought of her and what she taught me ... and I was reborn ... That's the debt. WE HEAR THE SOUND OF THE DOOR being opened. JIU'S VOICE It's time, Xena. Off Xena's sad face, we: FADE OUT. END OF ACT THREE - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:33:38 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Who was Jiu in The Debt pt 2? Thanks cousin! My friend is coming around for tea (dinner) on Saturday and I am so looking forward to showing her Ric Chan - whom she thought was ... well .... lost. Liz (not the cousin one) PS where did you get this transcription? Whoosh just has him as Prisoner 2. At 15:16 31/12/2003 -0500, Cousin Liz wrote: >Sojourner wrote: > > > A friend has discovered that a long-lost friend played Jiu in The Debt 2. I > > can't finger out which one he was - doesn't seem to have dialogue (i.e. > > didn;t show up in the transcript on Whoosh! > > From the script: > >"Debt II" #VO407 3. Shooting Draft 7/3/97 > > >THE WATERY PRISON - XENA'S POV > >In the shadows she sees the hulking figures of men who have >been down here a long time. They're ugly, scrawny, hairy, >and mean. Surrounding the polluted water are walls-where >a series of ledges give some respite to soggy prisoners. > >ON XENA > >She walks towards one of the ledges. The other PRISONERS >scurry like rats at her movement. There are also rats among >them, scurrying like prisoners. Xena heads for one ledge in >particular. One Prisoner, named JIU, leaps onto that ledge >and stares down at Xena. > > JIU > This one's mine. > >Xena looks around at all the other ledges. As she does, >different Prisoners scurry onto them to make their claim. >She notices one ledge higher up. She leaps out of the * >water, does a twisting move, and lands on the higher ledge. * > >************ >************ > >11 INT. WATERY PRISON - ETERNAL NIGHT 11 > >Xena sits on her ledge, staring relentlessly into space. >Suddenly, she becomes aware of some movement at her feet. >She looks to see an OLD MAN slipping a dirty shirt onto the >ledge. > > XENA > What do you want, old Man? > > JIU > He's offering you his shirt. > > XENA > (to the Old Man) > I don't want your clothes. > >The Old Man smiles at Xena and moves away, leaving the shirt behind. > >Then ANOTHER PRISONER steps up and leaves a small rag of a >cloak on her ledge. > > XENA > (to Jiu) > What are they doing? > > JIU > Clothing you. It's their way of paying tribute. > > XENA > For what? > > JIU > They heard what you did ... or tried to > do. Kill the Emperor. > > XENA > They like that, huh? > > JIU > There's not a man here who hasn't lost > many of his loved ones at the hands of > that monster. > > XENA > Where are you from? > > JIU > The Kingdom of Lao. > > XENA > You know of Lao Ma then? > > JIU > Lao Ma? Of course. The wife of our > King. Beautiful woman. > > XENA > When did you last see her? > >We CLOSE ON JIU'S FACE as he recalls: > > CUT TO: > >12 EXT. COURTYARD - DAY 12 > >Lao Ma is escorted into the courtyard by ARMED GUARDS. > >ON JIU > >He stands in A CROWD OF SPECTATORS struggling to see what >happens to Lao Ma. > >************ >************ > >14 INT. WATERY PRISON - ETERNAL NIGHT 14 > >Xena sits on the ledge, shivering from pain herself, as if >she suffered along with Lao Ma. > > XENA > Who ordered the execution? > > JIU > Emperor Ming T'ien. Like you, many of > us had heard of her great powers and > thought she would use them to escape. > Perhaps, they were all a lie. > > XENA > No. Her powers were real. > >************ >************ > >31 CONTINUED: 31 > > XENA (cont'd) > Not long before I met you, I was at the > end of my rope, ready to give up ... > then I thought of her and what she > taught me ... and I was reborn ... > That's the debt. > >WE HEAR THE SOUND OF THE DOOR being opened. > > JIU'S VOICE > It's time, Xena. > >Off Xena's sad face, we: > > FADE OUT. > > END OF ACT THREE > > >-- >Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net > >Soulmates >Xena Dinosaur Bards >http://cousinliz.com >========================================================= >This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. >To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with >"unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. >Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. >========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:41:30 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: Last Samurai--*Leetle SPOILER* Just got to catch Tom Cruise's Last Samurai over Xmas. I really liked it. :=) It wasn't XWP, but it was a pretty good substitute fix. ;=) **Note To Thel: This is what *real* Japanese look and _talk_ like, not the *bogus* imitators on FIN! ;=P Actually, this is what FIN _should've_ looked and sounded like, if they had done it properly (and had a major motion picture budget, I know ;( ). ;P And parts of it, especially the large battle scene at the end and the use of arrows, really reminded me of FIN. At first, I thought part of it was filmed here in Hawai'i, because I saw _palm_ trees in some of the last shots, but then I read the credits, and not only (as Boetian mentioned) is Ngila Dickson the costume designer, but parts of it were filmed in NZ. I was wondering about that, because some of the humor can only be described as that wry, Kiwi humor I've grown to know and love. ;) I thought all the acting and historical/cultural (Katsu can correct me if I'm wrong) stuff was excellent, and I think it just goes to show what can be done with historical/cultural themes if the right producers are behind it (Cruise was co-producer). Reminded me a lot of Braveheart (Mel Gibson), and like another critic said, Dances With Wolves (Kevin Costner). It was *great* that whole scenes used actual Japanese language with subtitles, rather than poor English accents. *LEETLE SPOILER ALERT* I thought the ending battle scene, which was basically as suicidal as X's fight against the Japanese army in FIN, was *extremely* well-done and authentic-looking, though I'm not sure I believed that Cruise's character would still be alive after all the hits he took from the bullets. Had a laugh at the Greek battle at Thermopale (??--Thel?) referenced by Cruise's character; it sure reminded me of OAAA, and how X also bluffed her way out of a disproportional encounter (though in her case, she won). *END LEETLE SPOILER* All in all, a good Xmas present for myself. ;=) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:47:25 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] LL on ET 12/29/03--Eurotrip Luckily, ET here is repeated in the late nights, so I caught the rerun for Mon. 12/29. LL had a brief mention in the headlines as having a part in the upcoming movie, "Eurotrip", as a "dominatrix in rubber" (red latex, to be exact) with a Norwegian accent. ;=/ From the brief snippet I saw, it's a sex-themed movie that looks pretty *cheesy*, IMO. Can't believe LL actually took the part, but I guess she's always liked the comedies.......;P Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 22:38:19 +0000 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Last Samurai--*Leetle SPOILER* At 11:41 31/12/2003 -1000, Jackie M. Young wrote: >Just got to catch Tom Cruise's Last Samurai over Xmas. I really liked it. >:=) It wasn't XWP, but it was a pretty good substitute fix. ;=) >At first, I thought part of it was filmed here in Hawai'i, because I saw >_palm_ trees in some of the last shots, but then I read the credits, and >not only (as Boetian mentioned) is Ngila Dickson the costume designer, but >parts of it were filmed in NZ. I was wondering about that, because some >of the humor can only be described as that wry, Kiwi humor I've grown to >know and love. ;) Quite a lot of the Last Samurai was filmed in NZ in Taranaki - http://lastsamurai.warnerbros.com "Kilvert also participated in the scouting expedition that ultimately uncovered a secluded 40-acre cattle and sheep farm in New Plymouth, New Zealand, on which to construct the film's self-sufficient 19th Century Samurai village. A 200-member crew that included local carpenters then converged to create a total of 25 structures from the ground up, as well as fences, gates and animal pens. "Mostly," as Kilvert recalls, "in the pouring rain." To facilitate revealing shots the crew cut horizontally into bordering hillsides and built on multiple levels, moving upward more than outward and providing depth. Lumber was brought in by helicopter; thatch from a nearby valley was cut and hand-tied; and crops planted. Fabric was dyed and fashioned into a series of large flags that would identify the village by its Samurai clan name. With the exception of a small number of props and lanterns imported from Japan, every item in the completed village was made by the crew, using local sources. Beginning five months prior to the arrival of cameras, greenskeeper Stephanie Waldron and her team took on the tough terrain to make rice paddies and plant trees and crops. Kilvert designed her village with the precision and pragmatism of a city planner. "We had a potter's building complete with baking kiln, a weaver's house, a basket maker, and - this being a Samurai village - a swordsmith and a shrine where, among other things, the blades would be blessed," she recounts. "We also had a water wheel and cistern system, since the Japanese had advanced methods of water delivery and irrigation at the time. Essentially, we designed the village based on the type of people and occupations that would have existed then." With the exception of Taka's home, all the village structures were empty shells and so served as effective shelters for the cameras, lighting and sound equipment. That monumental task accomplished, the crew then duplicated their work on a number of soundstages, to allow the director both indoor and outdoor shooting opportunities. New Zealand also provided the panorama for the film's climactic battle scene - but only after the production reduced an adjacent hill by approximately 50 feet in height and 400 feet in width to create a wider field. Trees, both real and artificial, were brought in to supplement the background forest and battle flags bearing Samurai clan names were made. A team of 25 greensmen remained on hand during filming to repair damage sustained by the landscape from horses, men and simulated artillery after every major take." ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:33:17 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan's Last Ep On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:35:02 EST, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >Uh huh. Rather in line with what one of us expert nit witters said. If >you're a Lucy watcher (fan or professional talent hunter), you might take >the time to slo-mo her skimpy scenes, in which case you might decide she >did indeed have a plan, which I believe she executed quite well. - --*Ummmm*.....(trying to say this with diplomacy) Ife, it really does look like you need some *gainful employment*, don't you?!? ;P *hehe*!! I would hasten to add, many "professional talent hunters" really *don't* have time to do what us HCNBs do: slo-mo and all. If those Hollywood-types don't _see_ it in about a *min.*, they're not interested in you. ;( Besides, what did LL think she was doing: workshop acting or an indie film festival?!? ;P This was a *commercial* TV show! I think it's great she would try to add subtleties to her acting, but let's keep the eye on the main goal, here: clarity for most of the audience. >However, if you're not a Lucy watcher (or a PATIENT Lucy watcher), you >could easily blow right by the subtleties. - --Yeah, patience is not one of my main virtues......;P Waiting gets *very boring*......;P >I believe one of the reasons Lucy came across as "stilted" was because of >the expectation that she'd come out "swinging" as either a mama lion >(warrior type) or warm and fuzzy toward John and Jane. But Lucy gave us >a little of both in unexpected ways. - --Agreed and granted about our expectations about her. ;=) But I just didn't like the *way* she gave us the "little of both", and it certainly was *unexpected*...... ;P >LOL! True, but I'm still not sure that's what Lilli meant. I might be >"hesitant" at a crosswalk with no traffic signals, but that might mean >I'm being cautious -- checking things out -- not that I'm "lost." - --No, I *know* it, Lilli agrees with me, don'tcha Lilli?!! ;P LOL Well, Lilli did say LL's hesitancy was "different" for Tarzan, that it wasn't "as easy". To me, that's different from being cautious. Also, usually caution is intentional; hesistancy is not. Hesitancy is usually because you're unsure: about yourself or the situation. >On a micro level, I believe she put less emphasis on her rather sketchy >role as a newpaper tycoon. I think she was indeed clear about what she >would project about Kate through the character's handling of relationships. - --Yes, but each character has a role in the overall picture. An actor has to treat their role as important, even though it may not be big. Again, if she was clear about what she wanted to project, I (and, apparently, others) just didn't see it. >It's more like what ROC/Gabrielle had to do with Lucy/Xena in XWP. I >just don't think it's fair to compare the two situations or to expect >Lucy to establish in one-minute intervals in Tarzan what she did in, say, >the opening scene of SOP. - --Even ROC had a clear vision of what Gab was, and it came across pretty clearly in SOP. (And I don't even think it's fair to compare it to that, but you did, so there. ;P ) It was pretty clear from the first ep that Gab was the "tagalong" kid who wanted to be a hero. A stereotype, yes, but a clear one. And about our expectations for LL: if we can "get" from her with just one look or one raise of the eyebrow within a few secs. on XWP that she's internally conflicted or hurt or enraged, then certainly she can do the same within a min. on Tarzan. And I would say this would be true regardless of the backstory for X, etc. (i.e., how many of us can identify a LL/X "look" during an interview and know what she's thinking?). I "got" X in just one ep on XWP; I didn't "get" Kate Clayton in that same timeframe on Tarzan. (And I "got" Aphrodite in one ep, and Falafael [?] and Salmoneous.....if you want to compare similarly important roles.) If Kate's primary characteristic was that she was uncertain of her situation re: Richard and John, there were a variety of other ways she could've played it that would've made it clearer to the audience that that was her stance. And if LL wanted to do "subtleties" on Tarzan, she should've bought her own TV show in order to have the time to develop them. Otherwise, on commercial TV, the character has to "grab" the audience immediately. Just MO, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:10:45 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: Last Samurai--*Leetle SPOILER* On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 10:41, Jackie M. Young wrote: > Just got to catch Tom Cruise's Last Samurai over Xmas. I really liked it. > > :=) It wasn't XWP, but it was a pretty good substitute fix. ;=) > > **Note To Thel: This is what *real* Japanese look and _talk_ like, not > the *bogus* imitators on FIN! ;=P As if I care... ;) I'll say again what I said before - d'you suppose *any* of the ethnic characters on XWP had authentic accents? They nearly all had accents somewhere between Kiwi and 'mid-Atlantic'. The only one in FIN that grated on me was the general, who had an unmistakable strong Aussie accent that I found very distracting. D'you suppose any of the characters on XWP *looked* authentic? Amazon cossies? BGSBs? Hardly..... (snippage) > It was > *great* that whole scenes used actual Japanese language with subtitles, > rather than poor English accents. Interesting. Though subtitles tend to reduce the feeling of 'being there' because of their artificiality. That is, if we were watching the action from behind a bush, we wouldn't have convenient subtitles flashing in front of our eyes. It's a tricky problem. The most ingenious solution to it that I know of was in a black-&-white TV series of the sixties or 70's, 'Danger Man' which featured Patrick McGoohan (of 'The Prisoner'). I think it was called 'Secret Agent' in the US. In that series, 'foreigners' did speak their own language to each other, without ever a subtitle. When they were talking to English characters, then they spoke English with a foreign accent, which is perfectly authentic. (I can't answer for the accents, of course, but the fact they were speaking English is). And by clever writing, enough was conveyed to the audience that subtitles weren't necessary. After all, if you see (a) McGoohan breaking out of his jail cell (b) A nervous policeman talking Bulgarian to the Chief of Police (c) a squad of armed police racing out of the barracks in their paddywagon then you don't actually *need* to be told that the dialogue is something like "Sir, the English prisoner has escaped" "You idiot! Take the platoon and get him back or I'll have you shot!" > > *LEETLE SPOILER ALERT* > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the ending battle scene, which was basically as suicidal as X's > fight against the Japanese army in FIN, was *extremely* well-done and > authentic-looking, though I'm not sure I believed that Cruise's character > would still be alive after all the hits he took from the bullets. Ahh, authenticity takes another hit.... ;) > Had a laugh at the Greek battle at Thermopale (??--Thel?) referenced by > Cruise's character; it sure reminded me of OAAA, and how X also bluffed > her way out of a disproportional encounter (though in her case, she won). Thermopylae is the usual Anglicised spelling, I believe. ('Anglicised' isn't quite the right word, I really mean 'spelt using the Western European alphabet as opposed to Greek letters'). And I'll ignore that little mention of OAAA cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:20:29 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Who was Jiu in The Debt pt 2? On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 08:19, Sojourner wrote: > A friend has discovered that a long-lost friend played Jiu in The Debt 2. I > can't finger out which one he was - doesn't seem to have dialogue (i.e. > didn;t show up in the transcript on Whoosh! > Was he Borias's henchman? The one who bopped her on the head? > > Liz I see Cousin Liz (no relation? ;) has already listed Jiu's appearances in the script. Jiu was credited as being played by Ric Chan, who turned up in a couple more reasonably prominent roles in Xena - the Healer in Animal Attraction ('Mood swings?') and the master swordsman in Friend in Need ('this is a great insolence') - who could forget that scene? Though really, Xena's bikini cossie was I'm sure very far from authentic (sideways nudge at Jackie :) He also played a monk in the Herc ep 'War Bride' but I can't remember him. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:57:42 -0500 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] Happy 2004! Happy New Year to all out there in the Xenaverse!! Thanks to the core group of chakram-refugees (you all know exactly who you are ;) who have provided so much entertainment this past year. You guys will never fail to crack me up. :) Time to watch the ball drop ... =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #393 **************************************