From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #383 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, December 23 2003 Volume 03 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Character Identification Help [Cousin Liz Subject: [chakram-refugees] Character Identification Help Does anyone know which PacRen show the character of Kentucky Sue, played by Jodie Doday, was from? Xena? Herc? Young Herc? Cleo2525? JOAT? She's wearing a western costume consisting of a long-sleeved leather bodice, leather pants, long dark brown leather waistcoat, cowgirl hat, etc... Thanks for your help. - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com I hope to continue to update my website over the coming weeks and months. Please check my 'What's New' page for new additions. Enjoy~ ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:34:23 -0800 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Character Identification Help JOAT - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cousin Liz" To: "chakram" Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: [chakram-refugees] Character Identification Help > Does anyone know which PacRen show the character of Kentucky Sue, played > by Jodie Doday, was from? Xena? Herc? Young Herc? Cleo2525? JOAT? She's > wearing a western costume consisting of a long-sleeved leather bodice, > leather pants, long dark brown leather waistcoat, cowgirl hat, etc... > Thanks for your help. > > -- > Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net > > Soulmates > Xena Dinosaur Bards > http://cousinliz.com > > I hope to continue to update my website over > the coming weeks and months. Please check my > 'What's New' page for new additions. Enjoy~ > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:01:18 -0600 From: "Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The full horror of season five starts again KTL wrote: > > Oddly enough, I just rewatched Punch Lines, because I was watching God > Fearing Child and it's on the same tape. I thought that was one I wouldn't > care to watch again. But I enjoyed it quite a bit, to my great surprise. I have found that several times! When I'm scanning down the list of titles I tend to skip over the ones that really did nothing for me [as compared to the others of a season]. Many times I'll wind up watching 'the other ep' on the tape and wind up enjoying it. It seems like even in the eps that I recall disliking the most, there is always some scene, line, or look that actually makes it worth wild!! Even... er.... 'Fishsticks'... which was thumbed down by about everyone . Of course, as a GabFan, I have been told that I may tend to gravitate towards certain eps!!! Mark ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:05:11 -0600 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] moral dilemma of Orphan Sharon posed the statement: "Gabrielle gets quite harsh with Xena as they argue over how a mother could ever give up a child." Well, there are several answers here that i believe don't have to do just with how gabrielle responded. And doesn't have to do just about their friendship, but more about the actual issue of parenting. The issue of judgment is more about the fact that many people really can't parent, and that the child's or children's welfare is at stake. To me, Gabrielle WAS being harsh and judgmental. and the fact that Xena (as other parents) had to make a decision, and was ABLE to make a decision about what she realistically could not do, was great, because a different decision might have otherwise caused harm to the child. Knowing people who are parents, and who aren't (me being one) I also believe there are tricky issues about parenting that have to do with not only whether a person is capable or equiped to parent. Gabrielle's criticism is one we actually hear in our society alot, at least here in the U.S. There is alot of romanticism attached to the subject of parenting. Having been on the rather painful end of people who really weren't able to do parenting, it was hell. Mothers, in particular seem to be targeted more for this kind of criticism that if you bore the child, you SHOULD be able to raise it. Not always true. or as parents have said to me, parenting is not something we are born knowing how to do. So, Gabrielle's anger seemed to be initially come from that particular judgement and criticism stance, but the issue never got more deeply looked at. Which may be why, i'm actually a bit concerned that Gabrielle came back and gave a blanket withdrawel of the criticism based on their friendship. The "I'm there for you" didn't quite seem to fit either. So, what was going on. Part of it was what I believe Gabrielle was doing the first three years. Right or wrong on Xena's part, Gabrielle often pulled back on her opinions because Xena did get scared, or angry, or both. I am not at this point believing that Gabrielle will "always be there" for her, because it's a little challenging deciding to stay with ....friends, lovers, etc. when we have major moral disagreements, which don't get carried below surface, and that is what is going on in this instance. Now, I'm thinking out loud here. Sharon, perhaps what gets to the point is when you say, "Gabrielle is slowly learning how to be a friend to Xena while keeping her moral code." Actually, I believe both Gabrielle and Xena, at this point (the friendship is still rather new) are struggling with how to be "different" with each other, vastly different with vastly different experiences. And Xena's history is to not depend on anyone else on whom to base her decision making, anyone else's values. Gabrielle's experiences are based on what she has acknowledged in some episodes as a slightly more protected family life-style situation. You ask, "And yet, does This [seem] to place their friendship on some pretty shaky ground?" You Bet'cha. (that's Minnesotan-USA Scandinavian for, "Yep") Which gets played out two years later in "Bitter Suite." So you ask, "where do you draw the line and realize you can no longer be their friend?" Perhaps when you have had enough and the differences excede the good parts, the differences can't get changed, resolved, challenged enough to work on, or the working on them becomes all you do. However, being hopeful, these two women are just getting started, at this point. The fact that they keep coming back over and over again and try to talk things out, be accepting, argue sometimes, and sometimes quite deeply, and get the arguments out of their systems, and accept (or not accept) those differences...well, at this point, the show is just getting started. This is only episode one, in season 2. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:12:12 -0600 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] The full horror of season five starts again Ife says, "and (after great initial reluctance) even Fishsticks" Oh, no no no no no no no no no. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 05:10:25 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan's Last Ep In a message dated 12/21/2003 6:36:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > I actually > >didn't think she was all that stilted but it was something diferent for > > --*Neener, neener*, Ife, someone else agrees with me!! ;P LOL > I'm sorry, I saw "stilted" and "different" in Cande's and Lilli's comments, but I must've missed the word "lost." Is that to be assumed? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:16:58 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] New Zealand is on a ROLE! >I wonder what the intended text of "the second of the best-known novel in >the... series" \should/ have been. Possibly something like "the second >FILMING of the best-known...", since there was a (lack-luster) BBC 4-part >mini-series of it some 10 years or more ago. Or, it could have been "the >second AND the best known" (with its prequel, "The Magician's Nephew", >counted as first according to the internal sequence of the series). If you buy a new set of the Narnia series, the books have been renumbered to the proper order of the story, and not the order they were written. So "The Magician's Nephew" is now book 1 in the series, not book 6. "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" is the second novel, and is the most well known. The article was not commenting on the mini-series (which, by the way, you can get on DVD. I've only found "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" so far, but I hope they release the others). BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:17:49 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: [chakram-refugees] HAPPY SOLSTICE! I just wanted to wish everyone a very happy Solstice! BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:34:04 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] The full horror of season five starts again In a message dated 12/20/2003 5:45:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > One of the best scenes to me from Punch Lines was them in the supermarket. > Xena is eating a raw turnip as she waits on line and the guy behind the > counter yells at her for eating it without paying for it. I remember quite a few funny scenes from that ep. Xena dosing on the horse, reacting to the knowldege of her pregnancy, discussing it with Argo, yelling it out to her friends, ordering milk at the tavern, reacting to shrunkent Argo. I also liked the Aphrodite scenes, with her in Freud mode. And seeing to of my favorite recycled actors -- Alison Bruce and the guy who played her hubby and Theodorus. Even Argo and that other horse had some funny moments. Certainly one of the eps I'll rewatch when I need to lighten my mood. Hey! Wait a minute. You've got me mixing up Animal Attraction with Punch Lines! How is that your fault, you ask? Have we not established that everything is your fault? 00 Ife - -- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #383 **************************************