From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #373 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, December 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 373 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? [Sekhmet209@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? [HawkFalco@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? ["Xena Torres" Did Ares actually kill anyone himself? He came close to skewering Xena >in >"Ties" and caused her to "drown" (though not truly himself or immortal >at the >time) in "Coming Home." Other than that, I don't recall any of the gods >in XWP >even attempting to kill a mortal until season 5, when they thought Eve >was a >threat. Well, he did nail those villagers in "The Reckoning", but maybe that doesn't count because later he brought 'em back. ;-) - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:30:29 EST From: HawkFalco@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? Does Eli count? And didn't he kill his "prodigy" in a season two affair about weapons of super strength steel? (I don't recall episode name) Those two events come to me just off the top of my head without morning coffee. - -Hawk In a message dated 12/14/03 12:47:54 AM, IfeRae@aol.com writes: >Did Ares actually kill anyone himself? He came close to skewering Xena >in "Ties" and caused her to "drown" (though not truly himself or immortal >at the time) in "Coming Home." Other than that, I don't recall any of the gods >in XWP even attempting to kill a mortal until season 5, when they thought Eve >was a threat. > >-- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:48:24 -0800 From: "Xena Torres" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? >Does Eli count? He SURE does! >And didn't he kill his "prodigy" in a season two affair about weapons of >super strength steel? (I don't recall episode name) No, Ares didn't kill Agathon. Xena broke his 'chakram' with hers and his flew back and cut up his face, killing him. Yes, Ares slaughtered all those villagers in "The Reckoning" and it DOES count cause he wouldn't have brought them back without Xena, and even so, he still killed them. And I consider leading armies into battle makes you responsible for any deaths at the hands of your army, even if you kill none yourself (which is HIGHLY unlikely). And we know of at least TWO times he's LEAD armies into battle from "Ties That Bind" and "Ten Little Warlords." And let's not forget him killing Smythe and his men in "The Xena Scrolls." And those are just off the top of my head. But Ares most CERTAINLY has killed. BATTLE ON XENA! Xena Torres: Warrior Writer http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome "And most importantly, I've learned that the heart can betray, but the sword never lies." - Eve "Heart of Darkness" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:41:04 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Cold Case a winner An article in my local paper today praises Cold Case and says "it's the fall season's top-rated new drama, averaging around 14 million viewers each week." I can imagine Lucy Lawless or Renee O'Connor meeting Kathryn Morris and asking, "Gee, what's it like being a TV star?" Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:04:53 EST From: KLOSSNER9@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Double Dare -- XWP stunt vet review in Variety, Dec. 8, 2003, of Double Dare, a documentary directed by Amanda Micheli. It's 81 min., and was seen by the reviewer at the AFI Los Angeles Film Festival. "Double Dare" examines the lives of two successful stunt women at opposite ends of their careers. Carefully arranged docu blends behind-the-scenes footage plus a couple of high-profile interviews; despite a contrived structure, it ought to be a festival pleaser. Pic follows helmer Amanda Micheli's "Just for the Ride," about cowgirls on the women's professional rodeo circuit. A female director who must have had to overcome challenges in a man's profession, Micheli is clearly drawn to stories of women who do likewise. She's chosen two intriguing protagonists: Jeannie Epper, a 62-year-old veteran stuntwoman who refuses to retire but confronts ageism and sexist attitudes, and Zoe Bell, a young New Zealander who is just beginning in stunt work. Tracked first separately and then together as they forge a friendship, Micheli's subjects both were stunt doubles for their generation's biggest TV action heroines: epper doubled for Linda Carter of "Wonder Woman," while Bell took the falls for Lucy Lawless of "Xena: Warrior Princess." Micheli watches Bell doing wire work as "Xena" is winding down production. She's also unearthed 25-year-old footage of Epper, including backstage material from "Wonder Woman" and a "60 minutes" interview with the then-thirty-something Epper conducted by Dan Rather. Despite their age and cultural differences, Epper and Bell share distinct qualities. Both speak of the thrill over the sense of responsibility they felt when they landed their first gigs. Both say they'd rather perform stunts than anything else. And both know they have to overcome gender politics. Epper is something of a legend among stuntwomen, having been born into a family of stunt people (Steven Spielberg calls the Eppers "the Flying Wallendas" of the Hollywood stunt world). She shepherds younger stuntwomen, including her own lookalike daughter Eurlyne. When Bell arrives in L.A. for a "Xena" convention, the producers arrange for a meeting with Epper. This section feels a bit contrived, however, as if Micheli were throwing in a dramatic arc. Still, it's genuinely touching to watch Epper play Mama Bear to Bell. That dynamic is most apparent when Epper accompanies her protege to an audition for Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill." Though Epper refers to herself as "one of the guys," her feminine and nurturing qualities appear to be making it difficult for her to land the job she wants as a stunt coordinator. It's heartbreaking to accompany Epper on a doctor's visit as she contemplates liposuction. Even stuntwomen, it seems, have to be thin and attractive in Hollywood. Remarkably, Micheli infiltrates the "Kill Bill" production in China and shoots Bell doubling in fight scenes for Uma Thurman. There's also brief, revealing commentary from Tarantino. Ultimately, "Double Dare" leaves several questions unanswered. When, for instance, will it be acceptable to see a female stunt coordinator? Viewers are left feeling it's still a male-dominated profession, but that determined women like these might just effect some small change. /// So, you get behind-the-scenes from Xena, Wonder Woman and Kill Bill and maybe some shots of the Xena convention. With an interesting subject, perhaps it will be on DVD eventually. Booetian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:45:41 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Cold Case a winner In a message dated 12/14/2003 1:42:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, KLOSSNER9@aol.com writes: > An article in my local paper today praises Cold Case and says "it's the > fall season's top-rated new drama, averaging around 14 million viewers > each week." > > I can imagine Lucy Lawless or Renee O'Connor meeting Kathryn Morris > and asking, "Gee, what's it like being a TV star?" > Today's Chicago Sun-Times TV Prevue also featured Morris (along with small photo) in it's Q&A column. It begins with, "Many readers are buzzing over Kathryn Morris as an important new face , although the Dallas-born actress, who declines to reveal her age, has been working for several years now." It goes on to list a number of films and TV shows, including XWP. I bet more XWP fans know who she is and have continued to track her, than viewers of all the other productions put together. And I bet she didn't have a juicier role in them either. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:45:43 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Did Ares Kill? In a message dated 12/14/2003 11:51:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, xenatorres@hotmail.com writes: Hawk asked: > >Does Eli count? > > He SURE does! >> Oh, my, how could I forget that? Of course that was another death associated with the Twilight. In response to Sekhment: > Yes, Ares slaughtered all those villagers in "The Reckoning" and it DOES > count cause he wouldn't have brought them back without Xena, and even so, he > > still killed them. >> Absolutely. > And I consider leading armies into battle makes you responsible for any > deaths at the hands of your army, even if you kill none yourself (which is > HIGHLY unlikely). And we know of at least TWO times he's LEAD armies into > battle from "Ties That Bind" and "Ten Little Warlords." >> True, however my question was more around whether Ares did his own dirty work in routine cases, not when Olympus was threatened. > And let's not forget him killing Smythe and his men in "The Xena Scrolls." > And those are just off the top of my head. But Ares most CERTAINLY has > killed.>> Yup, forgot that instance too. Thanks to everybody who responded. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #373 **************************************