From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #349 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, November 23 2003 Volume 03 : Number 349 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] OAAA (was Re: <>) ["S. Wilson" >) ["Kym Taborn] [chakram-refugees] Scripts requests ["Kym Taborn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:51:12 -0600 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OAAA (was Re: <>) I have to admit - OAAA is a bit too sappy, hardly believable (the whole Persian army? Instant cure? feh), the final fight scene drags on a *bit* too long, and while there are some good scenes in there worth keeping (Gab's Xenadoll; Xena getting mad that she can't will up the things Lao Ma taught her; Gabby touching Xena's hair while she's sleeping; Xena stabbing that sucker with his own arrow), I enjoy OAAA with groans and reservations. It mostly feels like a piece of sweepingly dramatic fanfiction to me, a hurt/comfort story. Or maybe sweepingly dramatic fanfiction seems like a Xena ep? *scratch brow* Hm. S. (not diverting the topic off her beloved WFC, nosir) At 03:13 PM 11/22/2003 +1300, cr wrote: >You could, of course, try hating One Against an Army for a change. > >Same scenario, same results. > >cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:48:51 -0800 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OAAA (was Re: <>) From: "S. Wilson" > It mostly feels like a piece of sweepingly dramatic fanfiction to me, a > hurt/comfort story. Or maybe sweepingly dramatic fanfiction seems like a It was total fanwank. A gift of the producers to the fans. They did a few episodes per season that were total gifts of love to the fans. Now, whether the fans took them as gifts of love...well.. > Xena ep? *scratch brow* Hm. Of course it was. The defining theme of post-Rift XWP was the fanwanking that was done on multiple levels. A show had never tapped its own fanbase in that way before (and really, not afterwards either now that I think abut it). In fact, it was more than tapping, it became a bizarre co-dependent relationship with the producers and fan switching roles at a drop of a hat. It is difficult to determine what came from the fans and what came from the predictors, but that is completely irrelevant because after awhile there really was no difference. It was kinda strange, but kinda fun. But One Against An Army is fan fiction. It is hurt and comfort. It was the diehard fans gift offering after having to live through all the leading up to the Rift and the Rift. The third act is 11 minutes of everything the basic hardcore nutball wanted. It's cream of condensed XWP. It's poetic and very clever. It is very post-modern in that it has a character quoting dialogue that was cut from the episode they are alluding too. I could talk hours about this episode. It just gets better every time I think about it. Kym ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:03:00 -0800 From: "Kym Taborn" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Scripts requests I am desperately in need of a copy of the following Xena scripts: The Play's The Thing (85/417) Fallen Angel (91/501) I am sure we can make a good deal out of a trade or whatever. If you have copies of these scripts, please contact me ASAP. Kym ktaborn@lightspeed.net ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:00:55 +1300 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: When Fates Collide On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:02, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/21/2003 7:02:21 AM Central Standard Time, > > fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > > In SOP, Xena realizes that remaining a warrior means that she can still > > be good. And stills save good people from bad people. Gabrielle is not > > particularly part of this at this time. Gab just uses her as her ticket > > out of Poteidia. (Heh heh heh) >> > > Did I see someone refer to you as a "stubborn old coot" in another post? > Tsk tsk. Can't imagine how she ... or he ... could come up with something > like that. *Did* you see that or did you just make it up? 8-) (Do they have coots in Alaska? Didn't it oughta be 'moose' or something? Are mooses - meese - whatever, stubborn? Probably...) > > Yes. Xena always admired Gabrielle's goodness. It's one of the big jokes > > of the series, actually. How Xena sees such an amazing, good character > > in Gabrielle, one to emulate and treasure. And everybody else just sees > > an irritating blond. >> > > Mainly the bad "everybodys." Terreis, Iolaus and David stand out to me as > among the early folks who admired Gabs. Oh you didn't ought to say that. :) Specially not in the hearing of an obsessive old fart who has the Whoosh epguide *and* XT's transcripts stashed on his hard drive and suddenly has half an hour to spare..... ;) Let me see now, who called Gabs 'irritating'..... Callisto (twice), Meg, Caesar, Ares. And Ephiny said "She's annoying. How have you put up with her?" And Callisto also called her 'annoying' in Sacrifice 2. Now, leaving out Caesar (who deserves to be left out if only for his evil haircut, besides which he was nearly as annoying as... errrm, we know who), ya got Callisto, Meg, Ares and Ephiny. Not exactly trailer trash. The two greatest villains on Xena (many would say the two greatest villains on TV), and the favourite Amazon. I think I'd give their opnions due weight. You're not suggesting, are you, that being 'bad' somehow means they have no judgement? ;) And who are you stacking up against them? Miss Red Shirt of the week whose only function was to conveniently die in Gabs arms, a visiting guest from another show, and a wimpy hero out of someone else's biblical myth. ;) Terreis was hardly in a condition nor did she have the time to make a reasoned judgement. Iolaus was well known (back on his own show) for falling for anything in skirts. And David really really shoulda stayed back in his Biblical epics instead of sneaking into a much unloved episode of XWP. Oh, and you forgot Perdycorpse. Feel free to include him. Do _please_ include him :) > > >Now that you've led me to compare Fates with SOP, I think it's > > >particularly fitting that Gabs would be the one to give Xena another > > >chance to be her "true" self. It was "accidental" both times, yet > > >apparently destined. For some fans, the soulmate "love" in that theme > > >is sufficient in itself. For me, the beauty is that it was also > > >re-established in Fates as inextricably bound with Xena's on-going > > >self-actualization as a warrior for good. > > > > I don't see dying and giving up as fulfilling self-actualization as a > > warrior for good or for anything. >> > > > No doubt many folks hated AFIN for the same reason. I don't think they'd > make fine distinctions because of the reason. > > -- Ife That's a red herring, lfe!! Yes many folks *did* hate FIN because it was the final and Xena died permantly in it. And most of them didn't seem to give a toss about the reason. Or, put it another way, no reason would have been good enough for them. But that's irrelevant to WFC. For KT I think, and for me, there was not *any* good reason for Xena to allow herself to be killed in WFC. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #349 **************************************