From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #335 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, November 10 2003 Volume 03 : Number 335 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Tarzan (oh the irony) ["Jackie M. Young" ] [chakram-refugees] More on (Possible) Tarzan Cancellation ["Jackie M. You] [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Tarzan needs support [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaS] Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Tarzan (oh the irony) [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] O/S Tarzan [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Kate Clayton and stairs [IfeRae@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:13:43 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Tarzan (oh the irony) On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 02:13:09 EST, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >I happened to watch Maternal Instincts the other day and was reminded >that I always had a chuckle watching Lucy run. Try as she might to look >tough, she looked "girly" to me. I'm not saying that was bad or wrong. >It just looked odd to me to see that grim face along with that cute, >gangly lope. - --*Heeheehee!* ;=) Yup, that was exactly *my* impression, too! ;) "Girly" would accurately describe some of LL's actions. ;) Maybe going back to that "unco" label she was saddled with in school....;) Kinda like giving it the "old college try"....;) >Anyway, I decided to put the stair thing in the same category with the >run -- something that makes me smile, but which I wouldn't let get in the >way of the impression she seems like she wants to project. Sheesh! Happy >now? - --;=) ;=) *Yes, yes*!! ;=) Truce accepted!! ;=P - --Jackie (not above admitting when Ife's in error ;P LOL ) ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:43:24 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] O/S Tarzan On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 12:00:03 EST, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >As a fan, I'd much rather she show subtle, progressive development >that's appropriate (which I thought it was) over the long term, than do >something to have obvious impact in the short term, but doesn't show much >range at the time and doesn't leave much room for development even if the >show didn't get canned. - --(Yes, I do understand "Ife-double-speak"! ;) ) Well, perhaps we just have different "attacks" to the same problem. ;) Especially for TV, I'd rather have a clearly focussed character, rather than one too subtle, particularly at the start of a new venture. I don't think this is limiting, if played properly. Expansion of the character can come later, and subtleties added as needed. I might point out that this is the way TPTB had crafted X, so why mess with success? ;P You, OTOH, seem to prefer something more "general" at the beginning, then to focus the character later.....;=/ To me, this is not interesting enough for most viewers. >This time she risked being understated and didn't worry about making too >much of a secondary role. As I said, I think she gave some fine moments, >which she will deepen and expand in the next three eps. - --Agreed that she came through on some nice moments there. ;) I just felt there weren't enough of them, and that some of them should've been played differently or better. ;P But, we probably won't get to see what she would've done, seeing as the show's probably going to be gone soon....;( And glad to see you admit she was being "understated" (i.e., "unclear") .....;P LOL Well, hopefully she still has that "development deal" going with WB....;) - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:03:50 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] More on (Possible) Tarzan Cancellation This was passed on from Charlyn of our local (Xenites Hawai'i) list. Looks like more and more, the nail is in the coffin....;( ======= Breaking News Tarzan Swings No More By Paige Albiniak -- Broadcasting & Cable, 11/7/2003 12:19:00 PM The WB's Tarzan is headed out of production, while UPN is giving Jake 2.0 a full-season pickup. The WB will run original episodes of Tarzan through the November sweep but has no plans to keep producing the Sunday 9 p.m. show, a move that likely means it will not return. The failure of Tarzan is a disappointment for The WB, which this fall put the majority of its promotional efforts behind the show. One Tree Hill, which The WB picked up Wednesday, is showing steady growth, even though the show received little promotion and was moved to fall after originally being scheduled for mid-season. In Tarzan's place, The WB will air a Christina Aguilera concert on Nov. 30 and The Wizard of Oz on Dec. 7, with the rest of December undetermined. Come 2004, The WB has second runs of reality shows The Surreal Life and High School Reunion on tap, as well as Fearless, from producer Jerry Bruckheimer. Meanwhile, The WB is likely to give full-season orders to its new Thursday and Friday night comedies, Steve Harvey's Big Time, Run of the House, Like Family and All About the Andersons. At UPN, Jake 2.0 has gotten off to a fairly slow start but network execs see growth, encouraging the pick-up. "Jake 2.0 is a fresh twist on the superhero genre, and we're really pleased with the quality of the show, the talented cast and the creative team behind it," said UPN President of Entertainment Dawn Ostroff. ========= - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 22:34:25 -0500 (EST) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: [chakram-refugees] Fwd: Tarzan needs support Hello all, I don't know about you but I thought last week and especially this week Tarzan and Lucy were finally coming into their own. I just got the message below that Tarzan has been cancelled with the caveat that they will run what has been shot thu Nov. For those of you who want to see more of Lucy.....the links below will give you e-mail, voice mail, letters and fax addresses to petition the WB to let Tarzan run it's full season. Received: from smtpin-3106.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.216) by storefull-2332.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from plain.nameserverus2.com (plain.nameserverus2.com [69.57.156.98]) by smtpin-3106.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id AFEE7FE07 for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by plain.nameserverus2.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AIrUO-0000XY-Jf for cjlnh@webtv.net; Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:28:32 +0000 To: cjlnh@webtv.net Subject: Tarzan Cancelled! From: "webmaster@tarzantheseries.com" Message-Id: Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 15:28:32 +0000 X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - plain.nameserverus2.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - webtv.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tarzantheseries.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive CJ_Skier, If you haven't already heard by now then I am the bearer of bad news. Tarzan has been cancelled by The WB and will be airing its last episode this November sweeps. The forum will be staying up as we received a lot of donations and there are still, I am sure, fans who will want to talk about the show after it finishes. For those wishing to support a campaign to save the show, you can check out the following website for more information: http://savetarzan.withtheprettiness.net/ Thanks to everyone who has supported the website and forum, I will be updating the episode guide soon with as much information as I can find so that it can still be used as a resource once the show has finished. Enjoy the remaining episodes! Richard Clayton http://www.tarzantheseries.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:45:15 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Tarzan (oh the irony) In a message dated 11/8/2003 10:14:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 02:13:09 EST, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > >I happened to watch Maternal Instincts the other day and was reminded > >that I always had a chuckle watching Lucy run. Try as she might to look > >tough, she looked "girly" to me. I'm not saying that was bad or wrong. > >It just looked odd to me to see that grim face along with that cute, > >gangly lope. > > --*Heeheehee!* ;=) Yup, that was exactly *my* impression, too! ;) > "Girly" would accurately describe some of LL's actions. ;) Maybe going > back to that "unco" label she was saddled with in school....;) Kinda like > giving it the "old college try"....;) >> Yes, I figured we'd have agreement on that one. :-) > > > > >Anyway, I decided to put the stair thing in the same category with the > >run -- something that makes me smile, but which I wouldn't let get in the > >way of the impression she seems like she wants to project. Sheesh! Happy > >now? > > --;=) ;=) *Yes, yes*!! ;=) Truce accepted!! ;=P >> Excellent. I was beginning to feel like I was in therapy and might have to review my childhood for other reasons I notice things like how people run. > > > --Jackie (not above admitting when Ife's in error ;P LOL ) >> Ife -- (not above allowing Jackie to think she's right. heh) > > > ****************************************************** > * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * > * * > * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * > * * > ****************************************************** > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:45:13 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] O/S Tarzan In a message dated 11/8/2003 10:44:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > > You, OTOH, seem to prefer something more "general" at the beginning, then > to focus the character later.....;=/ To me, this is not interesting > enough for most viewers. << No, I'm not saying I prefer "general." I like what seems appropriate for the particular character. If it requires "big" or "obvious," then that's fine with me. (If you recall, I loved Lucy's "over the top" performance in Doctor.) However, I do like watching actors who can use subtlety, even in the context of "big." Lucy could certainly do that with Xena. I just happen to think her role on Tarzan was very different and that she took a different approach to it. I found it interesting, but am not in touch with "most viewers," so can't speak for them. There are any number of reasons Tarzan didn't interest people (me included) that had nothing to do with Lucy. > > Well, hopefully she still has that "development deal" going with WB....;) >> Probably, though the timetable may not change for it, since Lucy seems to have built in family time before jumping off into something where she had more responsibility. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 23:45:16 EST From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Kate Clayton and stairs In a message dated 11/8/2003 8:29:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > Yes, it's _true_, a couple of us judges still have some *standards* left > for Stair Climbing (and have not taken bribes nor been *seduced* by Lucy > Lawless' blue eyes and lithe figure ;P ). LOL > Talent. Her talent is what might possibly have seduced me into accepting the creativity of her form. Folks used to laugh at a world-class sprinter who runs straight up, as opposed to leaning forward. He's got so many titles and gold medals now that others aren't laughing anymore. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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