From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #306 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, October 13 2003 Volume 03 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] LL Caps from Tarzan ["mirrordrum" ] [chakram-refugees] WAS <> NOW Season six [KTL ] [chakram-refugees] OS: Charmed and Tarzan ["Cheryl Ande" > NOW Season six [IfeRae] Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo [IfeRae@aol] Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo [IfeRae@aol] [chakram-refugees] LL AsTarzan's Gabrielle [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] < [IfeRae@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:20:07 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: [chakram-refugees] LL Caps from Tarzan caps from tonight's Tarzan courtesy of amanda jean can be found on the alt.binaries.multimedia.xena-herc list. also some hudson caps from the preview of "true calling" also by amanda jean. by the gods tarzan is a boring show. and to tell the truth, if i'd seen lucy in this before i saw her in xena, i'd not have given a second glance. i'll try to watch the rerun (i think there's one at 5 pm on some day or other) but i'm not sure how much of tarzan, jane (well jane's not too bad), mitch and the cold molasses pace and general insipidity i can take. md ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 21:00:20 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Kimmel Interview? I keep putting this off (been *bizzy*.... ;( ), but does anyone happen to have a good copy I could get of the Jimmy Kimmel interview with LL earlier this year? Would be happy to pay for costs, postage, etc. Please contact me privately. Thanks, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 02:19:40 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: [chakram-refugees] WAS <> NOW Season six This is another monster in the making, so I am going to cut it into pieces. > KT wrote: > > PacRen has spent half this season reprising some of its best work. > > Unfortunately, even when they are offering an homage to their own work, > > they STILL can't make an homage work. They have repeated classic themes > > from all seasons with eps that are essentially repeats of some of their > > finest work, but not so well done nor so striking this time around due to > > the complacent familiarity and the lack of a certain surprise ooomph that > > I miss very much. > >Ife replied: > I had a more charitable view, Aw, how sweetly saccharine. Wink which I expressed in a post titled something > like, "The Joys of Flashbacks, Retreads and Recycling." Lucy had said prior to > the season that she was running out of steam. Frankly, I thought the series > was too. We demanded another year and got it. It was the usual roller > coaster ride, often thru Memory Lane. It tried to tie up some loose ends, give some > old themes a retro perspective, remind us of the moments we loved, and offer > several possible "final" views we could take away regardless of how, when or > where we'd like to picture X&G. All in all, I gave them a lot of credit for > what was in many ways a "lame duck" season. I thought they did the best with > what they had left, saved the most energy for going out with a bang, and left me > feeling better about missing much more if they'd kept going. LOL! That last point comes under "On the bright side..." I would argue with most of that because the good ones were SO good. Heart of Darkness, the three part Ring Arc, Old Ares, God You Know, You Are There, Send in the The Clones, Many Happy Returns and the two part Friend in Need were as good as any/many episodes they'd ever offered. This is eleven eps, half of the season. Some of the others were good with some very good scenes which is all I ask of Xena eps. I'm delighted, thrilled and awed by the talent of the whole crew when we get excellent eps. But I can live with eps that are notable for only a few great Lucy scenes. There were just too many in season six that didn't even have these. And there was no excuse like in Season Five. Lucy wasn't MIA due to being pregnant, RJ Stewart was back on board after the cancellations of Jack and Cleopatra and Tapert had only one show going that year. (Of course, he HAD just become a new father at 40 something--perhaps he was a bit distracted if not exhausted.) Anyway, I don't think most of the crews was too exhausted or that their juice was used up. BUT I do think part of what was going on was that Tapert decided to reprise some favorite themes and also to give ALL the fan factions a crack at what they'd always wanted to see. We got both Evil Inner Child Xena AND Xena as a member of another mythical female warrior band in the Ring Arc. (Okay--maybe she claimed to never be an Amazon--the Amazons sure considered her part of them. Well, at least the ones before season six did.) We got the nod to Rob's earliest fans, the horror film devotees in Haunting of Amphipolis. We got Xena going mad and having to bring herself out of it yet again in Heart of Darkness. We got more Amazon eps with more emphasis on Gabrielle as Queen (at least in the dialogue, if not in the actual scenes which usually had Xena taking over command). We got Borias back and having hot monkey sex with Xena. For the straight boys, we got Ares in bed with two pretty, nubile young women in Victoria's Secrets underwear. For the Xena/Ares shippers, we not only had shots of Xena and Ares in bed together breathing the same air, we also got Xena dressed as a bride at the altar about to marry Ares. We had Joxer back, more scary and more intelligent than he had ever been. We had Xena as Grizzly Mom, still protecting her daughter and we also had the lovely surprise of what a foul mouth that grrl really has. We had a marvelous, beautiful, excellent X&G romance story in the Ring Arc and a schmaltzy, sappy, high mellerdrama, totally illogical fop of an ep in Fates. (Despite which, it appealed to many fans. Grin.) We had scenes of Xena seducing a number of new boys (Lucifer, Gurkhan, Odin) along with some old ones. We had some of the best comedies of the whole series, with two truly fresh and original, outside the box eps, Clones and You Are There. And then in FIN we got to see Xena finally finish her quest and achieve her redemption through an act of absolutely selfless love. (Though NOBODY liked it that she died, many of us loved the ep for many reasons.) And as always, fights after fights after fights. So I think that's what happened. Rather than a go anywhere, do anything framework, this year Tapert was indeed tying up loose ends, reprising the main themes, showcasing some of our favorite characters/situations and building up to Gabrielle becoming Xena's heir--a warrior on her own (even though she STILL can't kill the bad guys when a warrior should), carrying Xena's signature weapon. (And carrying Xena herself in a little jug.) If you weren't in ALL the fan bases that particular eps were slanted towards, the season definitely has a very uneven feel. For the rest of this post (the part I trimmed for now) I actually rewatched Last of the Centaurs tonight. I thought I didn't think much of it. But on this viewing, I realized that it was a better ep than I had remembered. And since I hadn't watched it much, there was a freshness to it that made me nostalgic for the days when we had new Xena eps every week. Those were the days... KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:31:14 EDT From: Richan@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Jennifer Skkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk k ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:16:08 EDT From: Richan@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Jennifer Sky (Drat! Keyboard stuck on K. Had to disassemble to clean. K all better now.) Anyway...saw Jennifer Sky on "Charmed." I got the impression that she can act circles around Jenny McCarthy. Then I thought they're playing 'dumb' blondes' and Jenny was actually acting circles around Jennifer. I am so confused! Jennifer, Misty I believe, was one of three sisters who had gotten a 'minor' note in the "Book of Shadows." It was ironic that three minor witches, all with names beginning with M, could cause the 'Charmed Ones', all with names beginning with P, so much grief. A fun episode to watch. No allusions to "Xena" or "Cleopatra 2525" though. At least none that I could see that were immediately apparent. But Jennifer was only a couple of episodes off from being cast In the Amazon/Valkerie episode "Valhalley of the Dolls," the single worst pun for an episode title in living memory.Then again Cleopatra was a 'dumb blonde, ' Type casting? Again I am so confused! Richan ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 09:26:49 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo Sarah Michelle Gellar signed off on Buffy after its 7th Season (which ended this past May) because she wanted to pursue an acting career. So far, her post-Buffy acting career consists of Scooby Doo movies. I think she's just not come into her own yet. Steph (I wondered if LL was, uh... y'know, poking fun, but... uh, yeah. :) At 07:02 PM 10/12/2003 -0400, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 10/12/2003 11:56:28 AM Central Daylight Time, >sojourner@paradise.net.nz writes: > > > "I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too > > busy doing Scooby Doo" > > > >Can somebody 'splain this reference? > >-- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:26:35 -0500 From: Lilli Sprintz Subject: [chakram-refugees] LL on Tarzan so glad to be back posting again. i've spent the last couple months dealing with a new housing situation which required me to move. seems not everyone is pleased with those of us who are disabled, and my power this time was deciding that i deserve much better than the situation i had been given. so now i'm in a nice cozy apartment across the street from that, and it's been tiring doing all of this so i'd thought i'd join you all again for a bit of humor and catch-up and, i'm as excited as h*ll that Lucy Lawless is on Tarzan. though i know the program has interesting facets, i' ve grown up with tarzan since the 50's in it's many forms, and i liked the last walt disney movie, but this one seems out of joint. the man playing tarzen just isn't that interesting, though i let myself for a moment, last night, realize that he's just doing the xena thing...he wants to stop people from being hurt and is willing to do something personal to do so. here are some comments: Lilli Sojourner said, >A double page spread on Lucy in today's Sunday Express magazine. > >Two great quotes > >"I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too >busy doing Scooby Doo" > >Lucy turned down a part in X-Men and forgot about an audition to play >Galadriel in LOTR > that would have been GREAT! Sojourner also said, Rob is much more likely to have chit-chats with Quentin Tarantino about female assassins and head-hacking-off techniques. Anyone seen Kill Bill yet? I wouldn't see that movie for anything in the world. However, the movie on Boudica the Celtic Warrior Queen, was on PBS last night (Public TV in the US).. Alas, also bloody, but also d**n good! Lilli, who is working on issues of how to be powerful, good, and also sweet and gentle. Lilli ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:24 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OS: Charmed and Tarzan Jennifer Sky was on Charmed last night. Although Jenny McCarthy got all the publiicity Jennifer had the bigger and more important role. She was blond and evil and she was very good in the role. Now to Tarzan We all waited for Lucy. The WB really hypd her appearance with clips from future episodes so I think they expect her to save the day. First off let's say she was very good. Her scene with Jane had a nice toughness to it; she even had a bit of that Xena stance in her when she kicked Jane out of her house. Her scene with Mitche Peliggi was very touching - her offer to settle the lawsuit was done with a lot of sincerity although I wasn't quite sure of Kate wasn't also trying to feel her brother out about the possibiliy her nephrew was alive. Then of course we have her reunion with Tarzan - she and Fimmel do look alike - blue eyes and the same facile structure - so they do look like they are related. I look forward to seeing how this part developes. There is a chance for some good drama here especially between her and Peleggi. Now the real problem is the show just doesn't seem to have much of a premiss. Tarzan as a character is rather boring - nothing against Fimmel who is actual good in the role - but if Tarzan ain't wresling alligators or swinging through trees he just isn't terribly interesting. Television just isn't a medium for inarticulate characters. So a whole lot of other characters are going to have to carry the series. So it's going to be up to Sarah Callies, Jane, to carry the show with help from Lucy and Mitch. She seems to be a fine actress but apparently this is going to be her story and not Tarzan's. I wonder how that is going to work out. Also we have a very odd subplot about Tarzan's fortune. Nothing here makes much sense. The Greystoke fortune was divided between the three siblings - Kate, Richard and John. John is dead so his son, Tarzan, now has his third in trust. Richard and Kate have been fighting over the trust - believing John was dead. Of course Richard rescued his newphew but he has kept this a secret from his sister. So how does this help him get control of the trust? He has trot Tarzan out at some point so he can say he is the boy's guardian. Let's say Kate never knew her nephew was alive so one day in court Richard comes in with jungle boy and says I got him and now I have control of the trust because he isn't competent to run the trust. Kate just now fights him for custody of Tarzan. Richard doesn't gain anything. He actually would have been better off shooting Tarzan in the jungle and then settling with the sister if his motivations is simply money. So perhaps Richard may have other motivations - family pride, sibling rivalry, he's a Republican, Kate's a Democrate, I don't know, and while this would be interesting to me since that would be more screentime for Lucy, I don't know how teen viewers would like that plot line (I assume they are the target audience). So I'll keep watching as long as Lucy is on but I don't think the series will last. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Charmed and Tarzan I am with Cheryl A on Tarzan's longevity. So far, he has been caught and escaped, caught and escaped, caught and escaped...you get the picture. Jane was very good and the tension between Tarzan and her jealous boyfriend made for some interest, but that certainly ended abruptly. In week 1, to me, most of the characters (except Jane) have no depth..they seem like caricatures of people devoid of any real interest. Enter Lucy in week 2. The premise is an interesting one, but there was not enough richness of plot for even Lucy to make much out of, given the small air time. I am thinking (and hoping) that this is because they had to backtrack to "create" Kathleen Clayton and that in the coming weeks we will see more and more of Lucy. My hope is that she will be able to take the character and make it her own,which undoubtedly would give us a story carried by two women in Tarzan's life: Jane (his love) and Kathleen (his protector). I love watching Lucy and hope it succeeds at least until Lucy can have her own show. Cheryl L ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Fwd: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Charmed and Tarzan X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRHFncL6rUP896TW+W6BOX8XdSFXAIUATrONPRO7f/13/sBi1CglcpqXiU= From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:46:26 -0400 (EDT) To: cande@sunlink.net (Cheryl Ande) Cc: TarzanTV@yahoogroups.com, chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OS: Charmed and Tarzan Message-ID: <19901-3F8B0F22-3420@storefull-2334.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Cheryl Ande" 's message of Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:13:24 -0400 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) I am with Cheryl A on Tarzan's longevity. So far, he has been caught and escaped, caught and escaped, caught and escaped...you get the picture. Jane was very good and the tension between Tarzan and her jealous boyfriend made for some interest, but that certainly ended abruptly. In week 1, to me, most of the characters (except Jane) have no depth..they seem like caricatures of people devoid of any real interest. Enter Lucy in week 2. The premise is an interesting one, but there was not enough richness of plot for even Lucy to make much out of, given the small air time. I am thinking (and hoping) that this is because they had to backtrack to "create" Kathleen Clayton and that in the coming weeks we will see more and more of Lucy. My hope is that she will be able to take the character and make it her own,which undoubtedly would give us a story carried by two women in Tarzan's life: Jane (his love) and Kathleen (his protector). I love watching Lucy and hope it succeeds at least until Lucy can have her own show. Cheryl L ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:07:04 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] OT: There was Buffy, then there was Uma Sojourner said: >>>A double page spread on Lucy in today's Sunday Express magazine. >>> >>>Two great quotes >>> >>>"I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's >>>too busy doing Scooby Doo" Move over, Lucy, and welcome Uma to the fold. :> >Anyone seen Kill Bill yet? I saw the movie and LOVED it. I cannot say that emphatically enough. As a basic rule of thumb, I can't do Tarantino's movies because of the over-the-top gross-out factor... but, Uma is what brought me into the theater (I admit it) and I don't regret it one bit. She's always played these sweethearts in danger, or in the thick of a funny predicament, but, to my knowledge, she's never played a cold, unemotional, hellbent, bringer o' nasty death in pieces parts... not that it matters a lick because she pulls it off with such finesse. Oh, and, um, Uma can act her *ass* off. I love being reminded of that, and this movie was no exception. I am caught mostly wondering, after seeing the movie twice now, does Uma know martial arts? If not, she has a double that looks exactly like her. But, when the movie was over, walking away from the theater felt like the most cruel punishment. It just seems like a terrible injustice to have to wait until February for the conclusion (it was originally intended to be one movie, 3 hrs., but the studio asked Tarantino to split it). If you guys thought that 60's kitsch, spaghetti westerns, anime, hokey old kung fu flicks and murderous vengeance never went good together, think again. If Uma doesn't win something for this, I will be UTTERLY mystified and probably really cranky. To boot, Daryl Hannah, in her incredibly brief part (more of her in Vol. 2), was so hypnotically evil that I was sad I didn't have more than 2 eyes to see her with. Lucy Liu very nearly steals the show, and the grand battle between her character (O-Ren Ishii) and The Bride (Uma), in a Japanese garden, in the fresh snow, is not just a climactic fight scene, it's also a piece of eye candy. Sonny Chiba has a small part, which I won't give away, but I believe he choreographed all the fight scenes as well. I hope he gets something, because he deserves it for that work. Here's a review that totally puts into words all the things I loved about the movie, and more: http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2003/oct/10prem.htm Sigh. If there's one more thing Kill Bill makes me realize, it's how much I miss Xena. How much I REALLY miss Xena. She kicked so much butt. >>Steph >>(My senior year in high school I forgot to take my Spanish final. Oops.) > >And you are really cervantes in disguise?? > >Sojourner I am not a beer, at least, I don't think that I am. :) S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:27:42 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] WAS <> NOW Season six In a message dated 10/13/2003 5:20:21 AM Central Daylight Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > >KT wrote: > >>PacRen has spent half this season reprising some of its best work. > >>Unfortunately, even when they are offering an homage to their own work, > >>they STILL can't make an homage work. They have repeated classic themes > >>from all seasons with eps that are essentially repeats of some of their > >>finest work, but not so well done nor so striking this time around due to > >>the complacent familiarity and the lack of a certain surprise ooomph that > >>I miss very much. > > > >Ife replied: > >I had a more charitable view, > > > Aw, how sweetly saccharine. Wink >> You've heard the expression "killing with kindness"? Keep in mind at whom the "charitable" part was directed. Heh. > > > which I expressed in a post titled something > >like, "The Joys of Flashbacks, Retreads and Recycling." Lucy had said > prior to > >the season that she was running out of steam. Frankly, I thought the > series > >was too. We demanded another year and got it. It was the usual roller > >coaster ride, often thru Memory Lane. It tried to tie up some loose ends, > give some > >old themes a retro perspective, remind us of the moments we loved, and > offer > >several possible "final" views we could take away regardless of how, when > or > >where we'd like to picture X&G. All in all, I gave them a lot of credit > for > >what was in many ways a "lame duck" season. I thought they did the best > with > >what they had left, saved the most energy for going out with a bang, and > left me > >feeling better about missing much more if they'd kept going. > > > LOL! That last point comes under "On the bright side..." >> True, I do tend to be a "glass half full" kinda gal. :-) If your honey's stretched out snoring loudly on that boat he's been working on, when you'd rather he accompany you somewhere, call me. I'll help you focus on the positives. > > I would argue with most of that because the good ones were SO good. Heart > of Darkness, the three part Ring Arc, Old Ares, God You Know, You Are > There, Send in the The Clones, Many Happy Returns and the two part Friend > in Need were as good as any/many episodes they'd ever offered. >> You'll get no argument from me. Still, I had a sense of nostalgia about even those -- a good sense, mind you. Admittedly, the surprising "draw" for me ended up being the development and sometimes conflict between X&G. As much as I liked the action, the internal landscape fascinated me more. After S4, we didn't get so much of that. I seldom got all hot and bothered about the historical/diety-based eps in and of themselves. Most of the other eps you mention above appealed to me as much because of the wonderful interaction between actors/characters I'd come to love, which was almost like a farewell party. So I didn't mean "Memory Lane" in a negative way at all. <<> Anyway, I don't think most of the crews was too exhausted > or that their juice was used up. >> I didn't mean that either. I think doing so many "light" eps helped a lot, as I don't think Lucy was the only one who enjoyed doing them. And she's the main performer I'm talking about, in terms of saying she was fighting through burnout. I think knowing the end was near helped her with that. And maybe we could've gotten more eps like the Ring arc, except they couldn't keep revisiting Xena's past to give it that "personal" touch. Maybe it was a conscious choice to give us more of what we already liked about XWP, rather than spend a lot of time trying to break new ground in their last season. I liked what they did. They simply didn't show me much of a fresh direction in what I liked most -- character development. I don't fault them for this. Nor am I saying they didn't have it in them. I'm saying it made closure easier for me because I wasn't angry that something wonderfully different was forthcoming. Given that it all revolved around the one person who wanted it over, I'm happy the season was done in a way that left me satisfied with the inevitable. > > BUT I do think part of what was going on was that Tapert decided to > reprise some favorite themes and also to give ALL the fan factions a crack > at what they'd always wanted to see. >> Yes, and I give him kudos for that. Met our needs as well as Xenastaff's. Like I said above, it was like a wonderful farewell party that included us. I thought the season was as thoughtfully produced as always and a fine tribute to professionals who gave everything in the best way they could through the end. > > Rather than a go anywhere, do anything > framework, this year Tapert was indeed tying up loose ends, reprising the > main themes, showcasing some of our favorite characters/situations and > building up to Gabrielle becoming Xena's heir--a warrior on her own (even > though she STILL can't kill the bad guys when a warrior should), carrying > Xena's signature weapon. (And carrying Xena herself in a little jug.) >> So we agree on that. Sorry if I implied I thought the season was "less than." I meant they had certain restrictions to operate under and did a fine job nevertheless. I'm saying I'm grateful they didn't do more than that, as it would've been harder for me to let go. Which, at the time, I thought I'd be able to do. Stop laughing. You might hurt yourself. On second thought .... > > If you weren't in ALL the fan bases that particular eps were slanted > towards, the season definitely has a very uneven feel. >> That was always true. Excluding those who hated what happened to Gabs after season 2, most of us can probably point to 2-3 eps we can dismiss -- because they were Xenalite, Gablite, portrayed our favorite character(s) in a way we didn't agree with, etc. S6 wasn't any more "uneven" to me than any other. In fact, it felt less so because the focus was on X&G, rather than all that god stuff. > > For the rest of this post (the part I trimmed for now) I actually > rewatched Last of the Centaurs tonight. I thought I didn't think much of > it. But on this viewing, I realized that it was a better ep than I had > remembered. And since I hadn't watched it much, there was a freshness to > it that made me nostalgic for the days when we had new Xena eps every week. > > Those were the days... >> Yes, I find myself enjoying eps I hadn't thrilled to at the time. It's like examining the face of someone you won't see again as you have before. Except we at least have the luxury of re-examining them in moving pictures and always discovering something new. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:27:03 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo In a message dated 10/13/2003 9:31:24 AM Central Daylight Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > Sarah Michelle Gellar signed off on Buffy after its 7th Season (which ended > > this past May) because she wanted to pursue an acting career. So far, her > post-Buffy acting career consists of Scooby Doo movies. I think she's just > not come into her own yet. > Gosh darn it! You mean I missed her in Scooby *and* most of Buffy? What can I do to console myself? Hmmm. I know! I'll pretend it's Gellar playing the detective in Tarzan! Their hair color is about the same, yes? Thanks for the info. - -- Ife the Incorrigible ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:27:39 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo In a message dated 10/13/2003 9:31:24 AM Central Daylight Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > Sarah Michelle Gellar signed off on Buffy after its 7th Season (which ended > > this past May) because she wanted to pursue an acting career. So far, her > post-Buffy acting career consists of Scooby Doo movies. I think she's just > not come into her own yet. > Gosh darn it! You mean I missed her in Scooby *and* most of Buffy? What can I do to console myself? Hmmm. I know! I'll pretend it's Gellar playing the detective in Tarzan! Their hair color is about the same, yes? Thanks for the info. - -- Ife the Incorrigible ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:27:01 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] LL AsTarzan's Gabrielle Gotta love that Lucy. In the Oct. 11 Toronto Star article, she provides a great connection to XWP: "Kathleen also fulfills the role of a friend, really the only friend he's got. She is also the audience's voice, as Gabrielle was in Xena. Tarzan is the mysterious stranger." Gave me a few goose bumps to hear her looking at her role reveral in that way. I'm thinking it's another source of enjoyment to be more of the "support" person, as opposed to the angsty loner who can't escape the world's dark side. She gets to react more and give a lot of those wonderful "studying" looks, as she did with Gabs in S4 (e.g., "Devi"). Maybe she'll call ROC for pointers? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:27:46 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] < In a message dated 10/12/2003 10:10:48 PM Central Daylight Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > Yes, I enjoy the subtext take. But it's not my first take. My first > response to the interactions I see between Xena and Gabrielle is that they > are extraordinary best friends. I don't TRY to see them this way--it just > happens. Because as a straight woman, this is my lens. I've seen > partnerships like this between many woman that last for most of their > lives. Through growing up, through boy friends, through marriages, through > divorces, through having children, through sharing the pain of the > children leaving the nest. And so on and so forth. If you know a straight > woman at all well, you always know who her best friend is. It's just part > of her life. > You know, this reminds me of the discussion cr and I had about "reality." What you say about "lens" is what shapes our personal realities. And it is so powerful. One of my biggest "ahas" was understanding that many subtext folks weren't "trying" to see X&G as a "couple," as lovers. They saw two women whose lives were like their own (even with the occasional red shirt thrown in), in far more ways than "best friends" who don't usually live with each other as X& G did. They didn't "impose" that view on X&G any more than those who saw something different. It was there, in their experiences, just as your experiences are "true" for you. It saddened me that people called each other names because of their different lenses. On the other hand, I was extremely heartened to see many people discussing each other's views and understanding why they saw it so differently. I believe those of us open to appreciating other lenses have learned a lot in the process. No doubt the majority of people viewing XWP have not experienced the day-to-day relationship that X&G did, even though they saw aspects of it in their own lives, men included. It seems the subtext aspect gave Xenastaff (particularly LL & ROC) the "hook" for adding a dimension that many of us hadn't seen in quite that way before. For me, it certainly broadened and deepened in a "women-centered" way what is usually shown as secondary to (or at least in conjunction with) relationships with men. For some fans, it was an affirmation of how they do or want to live as "partners" in every sense of the word. For others, it affirmed the spirit or soul of a variety of key relationships they have had, hope to have or simply find uplifting. I don't see it as "phobic" to want to affirm love in one's own life -- to apply what we see in a way that's meaningful to us personally -- as I believe you're saying. What's phobic to me is fearing one's own life will somehow be diminished by appreciating the love in someone else's life, which I don't hear you saying. However flawed, I believe XWP tried to be respectful to love in all its forms and that it wouldn't have had such a big "heart" otherwise. << One thing that did bother me and seemed very insulting to the subtext view to me was them showing Harry (Xena) and Maddie (Gabrielle) kissing and later on talking about their honeymoon. What, when it's "gender appropriate" bodies the subtext can come out of the closet? I really hated that. >> Yes, this was what some found hypocritical in the "their love transcends" arguments. Profound, "transcendent" love can be shown as "complete" -- body and soul -- between a man and a woman (preferably from the same culture). Kissing, having sex, etc. is portrayed as a "natural" -- some might even say "necessary" -- component of "romantic" love. There certainly wouldn't be as much argument that the physical aspect somehow made the love "less than" or purely "carnal." Mind you, I happen to like the "transcends" view, if we're truly talking transcending all sorts of people, situations, times, etc. The Autolycus/Gabs and Mattie/Harry kisses are ironic, in that they suggest that the degree of transcendence required depends precisely on the bodies inhabited by the transcendees. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #306 **************************************