From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #305 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, October 13 2003 Volume 03 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Xena Mention [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo [] Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo ["S. Wilson" [KTL ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:44:20 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena Mention I was listening to the Favid Feldman show on National Public Radio today. He had a guest on who tries to save birds that are about to become extinct. The guy had named one of his female birds "Xena." He described the bird as brown and "bigger and more aggressive" than the male of the species. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:55:28 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo A double page spread on Lucy in today's Sunday Express magazine. Two great quotes "I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo" Lucy turned down a part in X-Men and forgot about an audition to play Galadriel in LOTR One photo of Lucy as Xena, one from the FHM spread (no, not THAT one) and one I've not seen before - Lucy with her hair up in a black lingerie - y type with one strap off the shoulder. Sojourner Your kiwi correspondent in London-town ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:21:12 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo At 05:55 PM 10/12/2003 +0100, Sojourner wrote: >A double page spread on Lucy in today's Sunday Express magazine. > >Two great quotes > >"I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too >busy doing Scooby Doo" Oh, ow! Rrowrr! I kinda always wondered if the Taperts ever cuddled up to the toob to catch a little Buffy now and then. *drifts off in a happy reverie where Whedon and Tapert finally work together making movies about demons, Slayers and zombie killers armed with chainsaws* *happysigh* >Lucy turned down a part in X-Men and forgot about an audition to play >Galadriel in LOTR You must be joking! About the latter? Aren't you? .... aren't you? Wow. She would have totally rocked in LoTR. Bad Lucy, shame shame. Steph (My senior year in high school I forgot to take my Spanish final. Oops.) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:23:07 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo At 12:21 12/10/2003 -0500, S. Wilson wrote: >At 05:55 PM 10/12/2003 +0100, Sojourner wrote: >>A double page spread on Lucy in today's Sunday Express magazine. >> >>Two great quotes >> >>"I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too >>busy doing Scooby Doo" > >Oh, ow! Rrowrr! > >I kinda always wondered if the Taperts ever cuddled up to the toob to >catch a little Buffy now and then. > >*drifts off in a happy reverie where Whedon and Tapert finally work >together making movies about demons, Slayers and zombie killers armed with >chainsaws* *happysigh* Rob is much more likely to have chit-chats with Quentin Tarantino about female assassins and head-hacking-off techniques. Anyone seen Kill Bill yet? >>Lucy turned down a part in X-Men and forgot about an audition to play >>Galadriel in LOTR > >You must be joking! About the latter? Aren't you? .... aren't you? I'm not joking - maybe she was....?? >Wow. She would have totally rocked in LoTR. Bad Lucy, shame shame. Cate was good, but the scene where Gladdy passes "the test" was the worst in the whole movie. >Steph >(My senior year in high school I forgot to take my Spanish final. Oops.) And you are really cervantes in disguise?? Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:34:23 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan: Initial response On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT), Meredith Tarr wrote: md wondered: >> is this now going to become a tarxena list and then, >> when lucy's new show >> gets off the ground, a "tarxena and the new show" >> list? or what? > >I don't have a problem with that. In my view what >both Lucy and Renee do with their professional lives >going forward may be well worth discussion, so why not >do it here? Plus there's only so many times poor >Cheryl can review the same X:WP episodes ... ;) - --;=) *Heh*! Poor Cheryl.....;) I agree we should be able to discuss anything related to LL/ROC/other XWP actors here, but I'd suggest that anything not XWP-related be labeled as such in the subject line (i.e., "OS: Tarzan", or some such header). I'd be interested primarily in XWP stuff, but I don't see how we could get away from discussing whatever else LL/ROC are doing currently......;) BTW, I've been fighting to keep Ife's "dead horse" alive, as well. ;) In class the other day, we were given a chance to select a celebrity we wanted to write on. I selected LL, but the instructor didn't know her, so told me to pick my other choice, Barry Manilow. A student in class piped up that Xena was "no longer popular" and had been off the air for a while now. Of course, I protested that LL was to be on Tarzan, which was current, and that Xena still is quite popular amongst fans and is currently in reruns on Oxygen. The student looked at me like I was crazy (which is not without merit, I might add ;) ). ;) Anyway, I tried. ;) Just FYI, - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:52:18 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Hey, R.J. wrote a hit movie! Read a review of "The Rundown" and according to the credits R. J. Stewart wrote the story and co-wrote the screenplay. ******************************** ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:02:14 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] There was Buffy, but she's too busy doing Scooby Doo In a message dated 10/12/2003 11:56:28 AM Central Daylight Time, sojourner@paradise.net.nz writes: > "I am the ultimate current warrior woman. There was Buffy, but she's too > busy doing Scooby Doo" > Can somebody 'splain this reference? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:02:13 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan: Initial response In a message dated 10/12/2003 4:35:17 PM Central Daylight Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: > BTW, I've been fighting to keep Ife's "dead horse" alive, as well. ;) >> And here my family wonders whether I serve any good purpose. In > > class the other day, we were given a chance to select a celebrity we > wanted to write on. I selected LL, but the instructor didn't know her, so > told me to pick my other choice, Barry Manilow.>> What?!! What kind of class is this? Drivel 101? A student in class piped> up that Xena was "no longer popular" and had been > off the air for a while > now. Of course, I protested that LL was to be on Tarzan, which was > current, and that Xena still is quite popular amongst fans and is > currently in reruns on Oxygen. The student looked at me like I was crazy > (which is not without merit, I might add ;) ). ;) Anyway, I tried. ;) >. And an excellent try it was! No doubt things become unpopular with younger folk two weeks after they become aware of it. Hmmm, wonder if that's why some of us older types are still hanging in there? Long live Xena! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:38:58 EDT From: Wizdym4@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] re:song on Tarzan Hey, It was great to see Lucy Lucy on Tarzan. IMHO her strong suit is her ability to be not only a strong female, but also to generate pathos. At the end of the show there was a song sung by a woman whose voice sounded a LOT like Lucy's...anyone know if it mighta been her? . ..........>>>.God/dess Inspire!..............>>>>>>>>>Carmon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 23:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tony Todd Oh, I forgot to mention this earlier - in case there are any fellow Michiganders on here :) , this weekend is the fall edition of the annual Motor City Comic Con in Novi, Michigan, and one of the guests is Tony Todd, aka Cecrops from "Lost Mariner". I'm going on Saturday. :) http://www.motorcityconventions.com -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:08:43 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] < snip snip > KT wrote: > Yeah, it was the sappiness that dragged this ep down for me. I enjoy the > sub-text, especially when it's presented as teasing and when people toss > out lines about it > > The love between Xena and Gabrielle is profound, beautiful and totally > life-enhancing for both of them. We all hope we have love like that in our > lives. So no, the sub-text doesn't turn me off. > Hmmm, reading over this I feel that I should explain it further so that I'm not flying under false colors. Yes, I enjoy the subtext take. But it's not my first take. My first response to the interactions I see between Xena and Gabrielle is that they are extraordinary best friends. I don't TRY to see them this way--it just happens. Because as a straight woman, this is my lens. I've seen partnerships like this between many woman that last for most of their lives. Through growing up, through boy friends, through marriages, through divorces, through having children, through sharing the pain of the children leaving the nest. And so on and so forth. If you know a straight woman at all well, you always know who her best friend is. It's just part of her life. Whatever take one has there is no denying that Xena and Gabrielle love each other. They want to be together. They absolutely intend to have each other in their lives endlessly. (And with them, I DO mean endlessly. This of course is the soulmate aspect. That the souls of X&G will always look for each other and hopefully find each other in each life. As Gabrielle says, "It just is.") Sure, they're young, healthy, physcially active, vibrant people and with Xena's sex drive it's very possible that sex was part of their relationship. Some eps are seen as laden with subtext and seem to indicate this. Some are not. This is part and parcel of the show. And has been since some fans first saw a sexual connection between Xena and Gabrielle and sent faxes to the home office in LA about it. Which the En Zed crew found hilarious when they first heard about it. And then Lucy came to America and met with fans at her first con and when she went back, they really began to include this view in the show. And thus we got that very ambiguous kiss in "The Quest". Just when DID Autolycus take over? Heh. But, I'm with Stewart and Sears in believing that their soulmate relationship does not HAVE to include a sexual component, that it "transcends sex". (For which they were soundly condemned by some of the fans as cowards and liars and subjected to derision, with some fans indicating that this meant they felt that sex was dirty. Phhhft.) I felt they were just saying that the relationship is between X&G's souls and not necessarily their bodies also. Neither Stewart nor Sears nor anybody else associated with the show ever denied the subtext take, saying people could see whatever they wanted to see. Sears has said that he like the subtext, though he once likened it to having a tiger by the tail--that once they grasped it, they couldn't let it go. Well, not honorably anyway. The subtext did not play well with focus groups and it made the suits nervous. But Rob had the guts to stick with the subtext as a possible version and defy the suits who wanted it turned down so as not to "offend" anybody. I admire him for that very much. In the commentary for A Day In The Life, Rob says something about how when the video of the hot tub scene came in to LA, he, RJ and Liz Friedman couldn't believe the way Michael Hurst had staged that scene. Renee asked him what he was expecting. And Rob said they had envisioned something "...like westerns where the guys take baths in these little..." And Lucy interrupts and says, "Yeah, yeah. Whatever you say. You and Liz were the first people to (pause) make this up." So there you have it. The straight guy and the gay grrl brought us the subtext. And another straight guy filmed it for them. Gee, what a surprise. I'm sure also that the suits were very aware that many straight guys find the thought of two women "doing it" hot. That aspect also helped to keep the subtext perking along, but in that ambiguous, entendre laden way the show presented it. Certainly showing Xena's soul in Armenestra and Gabrielle's soul in Shakti would indicate that sex is not necessarily part of the soulmate equation. (Of course, perhaps some folks believe that Armenestra and Shakti were getting it on. I didn't see a lot of subtext in that ep, but then as I said, it usually has to be pointed out to me anyway.) I just always remember a poem someone wrote on the Xenaverse list once that went, "Are they gay tonight or are they straight tonight?" That to me embodies the show's take on the sexual part of the relationship just perfectly. One thing that did bother me and seemed very insulting to the subtext view to me was them showing Harry (Xena) and Maddie (Gabrielle) kissing and later on talking about their honeymoon. What, when it's "gender appropriate" bodies the subtext can come out of the closet? I really hated that. Just setting the record straight. (So to speak...) KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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