From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #296 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, October 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] RE: Xena's wild streak [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena's wild streak [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] <> (fwd) [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Comedy of Eros ["Cheryl Ande" ] [chakram-refugees] o/tarzan conflicts [meredith ] Re: [chakram-refugees] o/tarzan conflicts [Sarah Anne Packard Gabrielle does love Xena for her wild streak and > that is certainly what attracts her. She is also as footloose as Xena. > It's Gabrielle that wants to go trapsing off to India, isn't it? About the > only time she seems to consider settling down is in that one Amazon epsiode > where she gets painted blue. Heh, and settling down amongst the Amazons doesn't exactly suggest harmony and tranquility. Gotta agree with you and KT about Gabs' own footloose proclivities. First time we see her, she's mouthing off at tough guys, running away to follow after the baddest warrior despite being warned not to, standing up to rock throwers, and popping into the baddest warrior's camp despite the possibility of being ejected. I never did understand where folks got the idea that she was all sweetness and light, corrupted by and at the mercy of big bad Xena. - -- Ife - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:50 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena's wild streak In a message dated 10/4/2003 5:48:09 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > The relationship between Solon and Xena is heartbreaking. Solon is such a > good soul - he is brave and kind and yes forgiving. I think in a way Solon > muct have terrified Xena. She saw all his good qualities and I think she > feared that in some way she would destroy that. That's why she just > couldn't tell him the truth in Orphan. Hmmm. Just happened to watch "Orphan" the other night and had a different view. For once I didn't feel it was because of herself, so much influencing his view of the "better" life he had with the Centaurs, which she'd have to admit was based on a lie. He's just made peace with her and the bitterness he carried toward her all his young life. I think she also thought it would be too much for him to take at that point to acknowledged that she was his mother and why she abandoned him. But maybe that's part of what you mean? That he might become bitter again and mistrust both her and others who loved him? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 01:35:56 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] <> (fwd) In a message dated 10/4/2003 3:51:19 PM Central Daylight Time, fsktl@aurora.uaf.edu writes: > Spoiler space for When Fates Collide > > > B > A > N > G > ! > C > R > A > S > H > ! > B > O > O > M > ! > Y > U > C > K > ! > > SPOILERS FOR When Fates Collide, Ides of March, Destiny, Sacrifice II > > Includes mentions of many eps from all seasons INCLUDING season six, [Much apologetic snipping] > PacRen has spent half this season reprising some of its best work. > Unfortunately, even when they are offering an homage to their own work, > they STILL can't make an homage work. They have repeated classic themes > from all seasons with eps that are essentially repeats of some of their > finest work, but not so well done nor so striking this time around due to > the complacent familiarity and the lack of a certain surprise ooomph that > I miss very much. ]] I had a more charitable view, which I expressed in a post titled something like, "The Joys of Flashbacks, Retreads and Recycling." Lucy had said prior to the season that she was running out of steam. Frankly, I thought the series was too. We demanded another year and got it. It was the usual roller coaster ride, often thru Memory Lane. It tried to tie up some loose ends, give some old themes a retro perspective, remind us of the moments we loved, and offer several possible "final" views we could take away regardless of how, when or where we'd like to picture X&G. All in all, I gave them a lot of credit for what was in many ways a "lame duck" season. I thought they did the best with what they had left, saved the most energy for going out with a bang, and left me feeling better about missing much more if they'd kept going. > For example, there has never been any indication in the real timeline that > Xena ever wanted to be a benign ruler. She was originally motivated to > become a warrior for defense of her homeland. When that went bad, she was > "on the lam" and doing petty piracy to sustain herself when she met > Caesar. >> But in "Destiny" there was certainly suggestion that she wouldn't mind ruling and no indication that she wouldn't do it benignly -- as long as folks obeyed her. Just as in "Destiny," I don't see that she's developed any grand view of the world. She likes to ride, scrimmage with her men and be a suitably "civilized" wife to the Emperor. No doubt she gladly left the "big picture" scheming and details to her husband. Unlike in the other timeline, there was no need for her to aspire to more than that. > > But in this ep we are asked to believe that getting Caesar to be her > boyfriend was a catalyst for Xena to become a benevolent ruler. (And by > the way, just exactly what made Xena such a good ruler? What did she do > to gain the love of the troops and the people?) Being married to Caesar > has apparently made Xena a happy-go-lucky grrl. Watch her in the > beginning when she comes in and plays around with him. This Xena is a > sunny chick, filled with sunshine and smiles as she bounds happily up to > her husband, Caesar. >> Which is almost exactly how she was on that beach after ransoming Caesar, when he promised they'd meet again, as well as when she sees his ship coming and excitedly prepares to meet him. She's like a girl infatuated with an inordinately confidant man who promises power and adventure, someone she loves sparring with. The difference is that she doesn't seem to love much more about him. I got the impression they had their separte interests, including at bed time. Heh. Also, it was pretty clear that Caesar actually "ruled" and left the military stuff up to Xena. However, I'm sure the soldiers were a large, important constituency, who affected the lives of others and had families. Apparently she treated them well and required them to act honorably. There's still obviously classicism, and the people Caesar wants to feed and feel secure are probably Romans. We don't know how they treated those they conquered. All in all, I didn't find this Xena, her position or attitude to be exaggerated, but rather a credible outgrowth of what we saw in "Destiny." > > A Caesar who in this world, from the time of the not done Destiny > crucifixion scene on must have known what his other reality was and yet > didn't act on it until this moment? Was able to not kill Brutus for so > many years? Didn't kill Xena the minute he could but instead stood by and > watched her love and admiration from their subjects far overwhelm his own? > Oh I think not. > > So then, how did such an impatient and egotistical megalomaniac as Caesar > manage to wait this long to extract his revenge? >> I think this Caesar had actually learned something from the past. He realized what an asset Xena could be at his side. He got the more naive Xena who hadn't become power hungry, cunning, mistrustful, or experienced at political intrigue and strategic domination. Why should he care if people loved Xena? He had what he wanted -- power. I didn't see him worrying about whether people liked him. I didn't see him as all that interested in the military aspects except as a means to an end. Indeed, Xena was a good partner. She loved fighting itself and inspired the genuine respect and affection he never could, which could keep him from having to watch his back as much from folks like Brutus. > Alti had never realized her powers before? She had never grabbed somebody > (all of whom presumably existed in both worlds as they did in the > Sovereign shadow world on Herc) and hit upon any "real" memories before? >> I have to agree with you there. She provided a convenient way to stir up old memories, but otherwise seemed weirdly out of place. As you say, the whole changing fates thing was full of holes. However, once I accepted it for what it was (which wasn't unusual for me to have to do), I decided Alti was a fairly clever choice for a plot device. > Would Gabrielle really have torched that loom without agonizing over > changing everything that had happened for all the other people in it? If > all the people exist in both worlds, for some of them, that world has to > be a BETTER place. A place where perhaps THEY are not slaves or widows or > murderers or dead. Indeed, how did Gabrielle know that she wasn't > condemning all of them to total oblivion for her own selfish purposes?>> Again, this Gabrielle had led a fairly sheltered life, compared to what she'd experienced at Xena's side. I'd think you of all people would credit Xena with teaching her about the "Greater Good," more than the other way around. Early Gabs stood up for her family and Xena. She liked helping babies and lovers. In "Greater Good," she's initially more concerned about Xena's health than what may happen to the villagers. To me, early Gabrielle had a certain shallowness precisely because of her innocence and inexperience, with little idea of how painful and complex it would be to act on her ideals outside Poteidaia. Gabrielle also had her own degree of pride and self-centeredness. She ended up trying to "help" as much because she wanted to prove herself, to try something new, or because it seemed like fun -- e.g., like bringing the Titans to life, thinking she could actually control them, sneaking out to "fix" things. The playwright in "Fates" had a similar shallowness. She lived in her "head," with no real appreciation for how the beautiful ideas she wrote about actually felt, how they might play out in the real world. Inexplicably she's drawn to the Empress. Inexplicably, the Empress is inspired by her, saves her. Finally she's experiencing and witnessing the ideals she's been writing about. I'm not sure what Gabrielle thought would happen when she destroyed the loom, except possibly the ending of a world with less rhyme, reason or authenticity than it was supposed to have. I saw a woman enraged by learning about and losing love in the span of a few hours, a writer whose words up until then had been empty and the life that produced them a lie, a bard-warrior who couldn't prevent a huge injustice to the world, especially to the one person willing to die for what Gabrielle had written about. > > Why is Gabrielle in this world not the lion hearted brave beyond her > capabilities righteous defender of everybody that she was in "our" Xena > world? What happened to her? Right from the start of the real timeline > she was like that, so meeting Xena had not given her that blazing courage. > Where did it go? Why is she so...ineffective and moony? Blech. THIS > Gabrielle is even less likely to torch the world than "our" Gabrielle is. > MUCH less likely to have the oomph and initiative do so. >> If "our" Gabrielle agonized over anything, it was over what wasn't "right." What had happened to her, to Xena, to everyone else was "wrong" in every way. "Wrong" particularly in how it had twisted and aborted the love she valued so. She stood before that loom as a representative of humankind. She had the courage to make a difference, even at the possible expense of her own life. I'd agree that what she did was selfish -- even arrogant and egotistical -- but I'd say it was for unselfish reasons as well. No, the bard we initially saw in "Fates" wasn't what she'd become at Xena's side, but she sure as heck ended up as the Gabs I saw in "Ides," for many of the same reasons. > > A bud of mine on another list said that though she loved this episode, she > literally turned the TV off at that moment, because it hit 100 on her > cringe-o-meter. On that same list, another poster said that she feels > that all the mushy X &G stuff of this season is a major mistake on > PacRen's part. That for her, when they get all misty-eyed and profess > their love every episode, it just fritters away the emotional punch > expressing that emotion should have. There is that, but there is also the > fact that this ep is just not nearly so well done as many of the earlier > ones were which showed the love between the two characters without > sacrificing a good story to do so.>> I also preferred the more subtle, day-to-day ways they showed their love for each other. I thought some of the "I love you" moments in S6 seem "manufactured." That said, I thought the mushiness was fitting for "Fates." Retrospectively, I realize that the X&G we saw were in fact living the lives they may have fantasized, but there was no depth to it, no life -- no blood and guts. Gabrielle didn't know the meaning of her own words. Xena "played" house with someone she probably loved less than her horse. Why wouldn't X&G's "instant" attraction to each other and love have the superficiality of people who have just met, who have to profess what all their experiences together allowed "real" X& G to convey in a glance? > > I just don't enjoy romance stories where the whole story is merely that > the characters love each other, which I what I saw Fates devolve into. > That's just not enough story for me. I like the love to be present but I'm > just not that interested in it as the whole focus of an ep. I like a TOUGH > Xena who has love in her heart, the Xena of the good eps and scenes which > present far more complex ideas than just "These two people love each > other. That's all folks!" I prefer the love to be part of the story, > illuminating the relationship we've seen over the years. Yes, it was in many ways like my concept of a bad romance novel -- which I believe we could've seen routinely if not for the conflicts, lies, pain, and other "bad" things we often go through to maintain relationships, but which some people would rather not see in a "fantasy" TV show. Maybe "Fates" did pay homage to the more idealized version of love. But in the end, it only confirmed what I to prefer to see -- how the tests of life can make love stronger, more meaningful and exciting. My X&G literally went through hell and high water together. That's the life they preferred over their girlish fantasies, because otherwise "love" was simply "mush." "Fates" wasn't what I expected either. But I'm starting to really appreciate how it focused on the flower yet made me value the roots, the "dirt" that fed it, even more. > << It's a PURE schmaltzy bad fanfic take. I don't > think Fugate writes fanfic and I believe I read in the official mag that > she's not online or wasn't on line when she was tapped to write this one. > I think she has a good future in fanfic. >> I'm thinking this was more "anti" schmaltz, in terms of how it was shown as originating falsely, blown to kingdom come, and dissed by "our" X&G gratefully riding off into their "real" world. > > After about 20 minute or so, I could barely stand to continue to watch it, > it was so banal and boring. The moonlit yearning glances on the balcony > was hysterically overwrought and funny and what was up with the playing > peek-a-boo in the shadows? Oh man! > I watch it now as more of a .... I can't think of the right word. Maybe I'll stay with "homage." I don't think it's a parody exactly. It's like Fugate's painting stock scenes from a romance novel, but trying to do it in a way that's respectful to the characters and authentic in terms of how they might've been wthout their "real" experiences. We know it's more of a veneer, because we've seen what Caesar did. Gradually this thin layer cracks, gets rubbed away. We see there's another painting underneath. If I didn't know X&G, I might be intrigued, curious about what's going on. But part of the frustration is that I already know what's underneath and wonder why Fugate would want to "pretty up" what many of us already thought was beautiful, "truer." Now I'm thinking that's the point. On one level, I'm seeing X&G in a new way, even if I'm not thrilled with that. Still, I'm forced to speculate on how they might've been, if something like that had happened. If I let myself, I can even get caught up in what's happening between them, superficial as I know it to be. On another level, I can't help but compare them with the "real" X&G. I ask myself, "Why is that 'uncharacteristic?'" "How would my X&G have done it differently?" Once the veneer has totally gone, I'm on yet another level, because X&G know who they are, yet they haven't lived those lives and are still in another world. It's like "my" X&G are still trapped in women who aren't quite them. They aren't revealed until we see the final layer of the painting at the very end. Lord knows I'm not trying to change your mind about "Fates." (As if.) I certainly wouldn't have voted for a whole ep focused on love, but if we had to have one, I'm liking that Fugate did it this way. The other eps where they stuck in "mush" didn't add anything and made me gnash my teeth even more. "Fates" started me on "mush," stood "mush" on its head, turned it inside out, gradually gave it more texture and subtance, and made it more palatable to me by reminding me of the missing ingredients. I don't know if Fugate intended all that, or if this is another example of my ability to rationalize almost anything. More and more, I'm thinking it could be Fugate. > Help me, season six has turned me into a Fatuous Fury Fan and I can't shut > up>> Sure, sure, claim you want help, but there's no way you're gonna be able to watch "Fates" with any semblance of neutrality. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 17:36:29 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Comedy of Eros This is one the best comedies of the series. Of course as everyone probably knows the plot is a simply farce. Baby Bliss gets out of Olympus with Cupids bow and causes havoc. He aimlessly shoot the love arrows around and Xena falls for Draco who is trying to steal the Hestian virgins, Gabrielle falls for Joxer, Draco falls for Gabrielle and finally all the Hestians lust after Draco's terrified men. The episode has a nice sense of timing and the frantic pace that a good farce needs. It also has a surprising melancholy ending when we discover that Joxer does truly love Gabrielle and she doesn't realize it. Everyone does a good job here. ROC is funny as the enamored Gabrielle, singing Joxer's theme enthusiastically and with a tin ear. Jay Laga'aia Draco is charming and ruthless as ever. I love his enthusiastic wooing of Gabrielle and his genuine joy at discovering that he really won't have to kill her husband since she is already a widow. I also like the fact that Draco doesn't lose his ruthless edge once he falls in love and in fact it seems to intensify a bit - after all he seems more willing to threaten Gabrielle's life once he loves her than when she was just Xena's little buddy. The best comic performance is give by Lucy. I believe this is the first time that Xena is actually required to be funny and Xena is very funny. It is fun to watch Xena deal with her sudden romantic love for Draco. At first she tries to exercise it away with a very funny punching bag routine. I can just imagine Xena thinking I can control this odd impulse just with a few old fashion calisthenics. Then she realizes she can't do that so she will reform Draco - notice that Xena even under spell is still trying to control the situation. Then we have her realization that something isn't right especially when she gets all girlish and calls Draco sweetie - there is real horror in her face when those syrupy words slip out. Lucy does a great job of combining a girlish infatuation with feral fighting ability. She probably the only woman in the world who could flirt while sword fighting. She also never let's her infatuation interfere with her mission - no matter how much she loves Draco she isn't going to let him get away with rustling those virgins (I love the way the virgins are always referred to as if they are livestock - they are rounded up, rustled, herded etc.) I know there are some that dislike it when Xena, the character, is called upon to be silly but I always enjoy those moments. It demonstrates that Xena is more than just a stoic fighting machine but that there is real human being in there - a young woman who has can be just as discombulated by life as any one else. Anyway a great comedy. One of my favorite moments is when Draco announces he is in love in Gabrielle and an astonished Xena seems to indicate that there is something not quite right with Gabrielle. I also liked the way Gabrielle steps between a fallen Xena and Draco - she willing not only to defend her friend from an attack but also to berate Draco for hurting her friend's feelings. Also did you ever notice how incredibly pale Joxer is - does he wear #12 sunscreen? CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:33:17 -0400 From: meredith Subject: [chakram-refugees] o/tarzan conflicts Hi, I'm not sure if this is the case everywhere, but if you get New York's WPIX (Channel 11) and are, like me, agonizing over the fact that _Tarzan_ conflicts with _Alias_ on Sunday nights, I just discovered that WPIX is re-broadcasting the pilot episode next Sunday, 10/12 at 5:00 pm EST. I'm not sure if this is going to be the case with all the episodes ... I hope so! I'll check back with TiVo later on in the week and let y'all know. I'm also unsure if all WB stations are doing this, but it might merit a check to see. Also, _Warrior Queen_, which conflicts with both _Alias_ and _Tarzan_ next Sunday is being rebroadcast on the two PBS stations I get in the middle of the night, so check your local listings to see if you can catch it at another time. I'll be coming back from a weekend trip next Sunday at 9 pm, so this information is very useful to me ... I hope it helps y'all too! :) =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org =============================================== ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Anne Packard Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] o/tarzan conflicts > I'm not sure if this is the case everywhere, but if you get New York's WPIX > (Channel 11) and are, like me, agonizing over the fact that _Tarzan_ > conflicts with _Alias_ on Sunday nights, I just discovered that WPIX is I'm not agonizing, because I have a VCR. :) I just finished watching Alias and taping Tarzan...won't get to watch Tarzan till tomorrow, though... -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:21:43 -0500 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan: Initial response to 1st 10 mins. I have such a distaste for commercials (okay, there are rare exceptions like "I theenk I need a beeger box!" or our local Threadgill's' "You cain't git food like this in New Zealand!") that I only watch stuff I've taped, AND only taped on a vcr with automatic 'commercial advance'. But having such low expectations I watched what was taping until the 2nd commercial came on. In general I didn't mind the hokey super-action stunts (after all, I \am/ a Xena-phile), tho his pulling Jane up over the parapet with one arm, AND with ease, was toooooo much. But that was my only gripe as far as I watched. With the salient exception of XENA I just don't watch "stuff that's acted", so I am utterly out of my league in trying to assess what I saw. But I liked what I saw. For what it set out to be, it seemed that --given a reasonable time slot-- it ought to be found satisfactory by a mass audience. (I checked http://www.tarzantheseries.com/ in re future eps, and it looks as if in the 1st half or so of the season Lucy's in only about every other ep, presumably when the plot for the week involves the conflict between Kathleen and Richard Clayton. At least for now, I'll be checking for and watching those.) Now I am eager to see what \y'all/ have to say. TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 22:27:06 -0500 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: [chakram-refugees] The problem with cr's messages... ...is that they're so good I want to read them in the proper sequence in relation to the others in an interchange. \HOW many/ hours should I subtract from the time in his date line to figure out what the local time would be? (And, what about when we go off daylight saving time?) TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:32:44 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Trivial Pursuits: Eye Color change jeez, sisters and brothers in xena, i haven't done a trivial pursuit search in, well, almost a year.since i'm reading from bottom to top and the gods alone know where in her oversized inbox kt is, please excuse it if this has already been answered. i'm sure it has been at some time on the xenaverse but i missed it. so i thought i'd just take a chance and post this. eyes do change color, usually either becoming darker or lighter with age but maintaining the same hue. when eyes actually change hue, it can be due (apparently) to disease, trauma, possibly environmental factors like diet or ingested toxins or chemicals of some sort, genetically-based interactions between melanin (the stuff in the melanocytes in the eyes that causes eye color) and environmental factors. i believe eyes are basically blue and that eye colors other than blue are the result of melanin in the iris, the same stuff that causes skin color. i think i've got that more or less correct. see: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a971205.html also see: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/nov2000/974095954.Ge.r.html well that was fun. hope it wasn't redundant. :) md - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KTL" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Eye Color change > > I have posted this various times over my career as a Xena phreak, but because > > it has a personal connection with me, I'll rehash an old favorite point of > > mine, > > > > My mother had blonde hair and blue eyes until puberty. She had black > > hairand brown eyes all the years I knew her. Every time I see an old photo Icannot > > identify my own mother. It does happen. > > > > > That's astounding! You SURE it's her? > > I mean I'm being facetious, but I'm just blown away by this. > > > > > When I first wrote these comments back when the Callisto's Eyes controversy > > raged in 1998, I found an article in an archive of the journal of the AMA. > > Alas, the link is now dead but here is the part I saved from that article: > > > > "Results: Among whites (n=1359), the eye color of 3.8% to 8.6% of the sample > > twins became 2 U or more darker or 2 U or more lighter during 3- to > > 9-yearintervals between 6 years of age and adulthood (>18 years, <24 years).Among > > identical (monozygotic) twin pairs, there was a high degree of concordance in eye > > color (r=0.98 [P<.001]), while in fraternal (dizygotic) twin pairs, the > > concordance was less pronounced (r=0.49) and decreased with age (r=0.07). Among the > > sample of the mothers of twins, 9% had irides that lightened by 2 U or more > > during the follow-up period. " > > > > But it says "darker" or Lighter, not a different color. > > How are ya!? > > KT > > > > > > > It would not be impossible at all for Callisto's eyes to change from blue to > > brown. > > > > CleanthesThe pith o' sense, and pride o' worth,Are higher rank than 'a that. > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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