From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #287 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Monday, September 29 2003 Volume 03 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Bruce Campbell voices Porky Pig ["Daniel T. Miller" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Kathryn Morris show [cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaSco] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 01:24:47 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Bruce Campbell voices Porky Pig B.C. voiced "Pork Pigler" the temporarily mutated Eager Young Space Cadet (Porky Pig) in today's episode of "Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2 Century." Very funny. He's a very tall muscular pig with huge whopping chin. It's rerun on Sunday. The series is on the Cartoon Network. They show two cartoon per show. "Pork Pigler" is in the second. ************************************************************************* *************************** "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." - --EMMA PEEL ************************************************************************* *************************** ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:02:52 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Listening" in ULYSSES and AFIN It's interesting reviewing my S2 DVDs in the light of eps that came after. Even though Cheryl initiated a recent discussion about ULYSSES, I decided to give it another look. I was struck by the similarities between X&G's opening dialogue and the exchange between X and Akemi in AFIN about "listening." G tries to get X to stop and listen to nature -- the "khami" (?) Akemi also hopes X can hear. Both G and A say X will find peace in that. X of course scoffs at this, as she professes not to see the point beyond practical reasons. It's not that her acute hearing doesn't pick up what's going on around her -- e.g., screaming sea gulls when she's with G, or animals in the forest when she's with Akemi. But these are bits of data she seems simply to note and file away, which have value mainly for survival purposes -- especially potential attacks. She tells Akemi she listens for war. What draws her attention when she's with G is the sound of fighting. What's amazing to me about XWP is how -- despite inconsistencies and contradictions -- the early eps have so many seeds that we see flower in flashbacks from later eps. In Gabs' case, it's more linear. With "listening," we see her focused on hearing peace and beauty for its own sake, as she doesn in ULYSSES and CRUSADER. Over the course of the series, she learns to listen as Xena does, for warnings of danger or clues to develop the best offense/defense. This is one of the lessons X impresses upon G in AFIN, which G does indeed use in her quest to get X's body. In X's case, we're always going back and forth, adding texture or depth to what we've already seen. As I watched ULYSSES this time around, I couldn't help but focus more on the ways Xena used listening beyond war or "the practical." I was more conscious of the way she's listening to Ulysses talk about his wife, about his love for Xena, about his wife's love for him. It reminded me of the scene with Akemi, where a surprised Xena hears Akemi's quickened hearbeat and wonders what it means. Akemi says it's about the love that Xena pays too little attention to. I thought of all the later times Xena paid attention to what was going on inside someone, as she did with G especially during the fourth season -- out of love and caring, for clues to the "right" response in terms of what seemed best for the other person. The really fun aspect in these retrospective "takes" is that we know so much more about Xena now than Gabs does. Early on, none of us knew what emotions or experiences lay beneath X's stoic dismissal of stopping to smell the flowers. Gabs often rolled her eyes, as though Xena was somehow "stunted" in that way. To be honest, I did too -- or at least chuckled along with Gabs at Xena's apparent cluelessness. Mind you, I didn't see Xena portrayed as shallow in the early eps, as she certainly seemed adept at listening between the lines. It's just that I hadn't seen the basis for her ability in that arena and just took it for granted as among her many skills. Retrospectively, I layer the early eps with what I learned later on. I know about the loves lost and betrayed, the range of experiences and emotions that shaped the woman beneath the stoicism (e.g., Akemi). I smile at Gabs' naivete about and underestimation of the woman she thinks she knows -- not just in terms of what Xena is capable of when it comes to hurting others, but Xena's capacity to be hurt herself. Gabs knows Xena's ability to decipher the external l landscape, but we now know Xena's capability to appreciate "internal" landscape, even though she rarely expresses it verbally. We can add meaning to the worldless stares, the sardonic smiles, the shoulder shrugs that seemed a bit enigmatic early on. I'm not suggesting that Xenastaff intended for me or anybody else to read what we do into what the flashbacks or later eps meant in terms of earler eps. I guess I'm saying I admire the way Xena's early portrayal allowed for the depth we saw them build later on. There are little themes that take on new meaning, even if "accidental." It's fascinating rewatching the old eps on so many levels -- comparing my new perspective with what I thought at the time, comparing Gabs' ideals and concerns about Xena with the "real" Xena who was capable of greater evil and emotional range than even the internally aware Gabs knew, and comparing the Xena we were seeing at the time with the Xena she had been before. Maybe that's why I can revisit eps I've seen countless times, yet still find freshness that surprises me. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:14:38 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Listening" in ULYSSES and AFIN It's interesting reviewing my S2 DVDs in the light of eps that came after. Even though Cheryl initiated a recent discussion about ULYSSES, I decided to give it another look. I was struck by the similarities between X&G's opening dialogue and the exchange between X and Akemi in AFIN about "listening." G tries to get X to stop and listen to nature -- the "khami" (?) Akemi also hopes X can hear. Both G and A say X will find peace in that. X of course scoffs at this, as she professes not to see the point beyond practical reasons. It's not that her acute hearing doesn't pick up what's going on around her -- e.g., screaming sea gulls when she's with G, or animals in the forest when she's with Akemi. But these are bits of data she seems simply to note and file away, which have value mainly for survival purposes -- especially potential attacks. She tells Akemi she listens for war. What draws her attention when she's with G is the sound of fighting. What's amazing to me about XWP is how -- despite inconsistencies and contradictions -- the early eps have so many seeds that we see flower in flashbacks from later eps. In Gabs' case, it's more linear. With "listening," we see her focused on hearing peace and beauty for its own sake, as she doesn in ULYSSES and CRUSADER. Over the course of the series, she learns to listen as Xena does, for warnings of danger or clues to develop the best offense/defense. This is one of the lessons X impresses upon G in AFIN, which G does indeed use in her quest to get X's body. In X's case, we're always going back and forth, adding texture or depth to what we've already seen. As I watched ULYSSES this time around, I couldn't help but focus more on the ways Xena used listening beyond war or "the practical." I was more conscious of the way she's listening to Ulysses talk about his wife, about his love for Xena, about his wife's love for him. It reminded me of the scene with Akemi, where a surprised Xena hears Akemi's quickened hearbeat and wonders what it means. Akemi says it's about the love that Xena pays too little attention to. I thought of all the later times Xena paid attention to what was going on inside someone, as she did with G especially during the fourth season -- out of love and caring, for clues to the "right" response in terms of what seemed best for the other person. The really fun aspect in these retrospective "takes" is that we know so much more about Xena now than Gabs does. Early on, none of us knew what emotions or experiences lay beneath X's stoic dismissal of stopping to smell the flowers. Gabs often rolled her eyes, as though Xena was somehow "stunted" in that way. To be honest, I did too -- or at least chuckled along with Gabs at Xena's apparent cluelessness. Mind you, I didn't see Xena portrayed as shallow in the early eps, as she certainly seemed adept at listening between the lines. It's just that I hadn't seen the basis for her ability in that arena and just took it for granted as among her many skills. Retrospectively, I layer the early eps with what I learned later on. I know about the loves lost and betrayed, the range of experiences and emotions that shaped the woman beneath the stoicism (e.g., Akemi). I smile at Gabs' naivete about and underestimation of the woman she thinks she knows -- not just in terms of what Xena is capable of when it comes to hurting others, but Xena's capacity to be hurt herself. Gabs knows Xena's ability to decipher the external l landscape, but we now know Xena's capability to appreciate "internal" landscape, even though she rarely expresses it verbally. We can add meaning to the worldless stares, the sardonic smiles, the shoulder shrugs that seemed a bit enigmatic early on. I'm not suggesting that Xenastaff intended for me or anybody else to read what we do into what the flashbacks or later eps meant in terms of earler eps. I guess I'm saying I admire the way Xena's early portrayal allowed for the depth we saw them build later on. There are little themes that take on new meaning, even if "accidental." It's fascinating rewatching the old eps on so many levels -- comparing my new perspective with what I thought at the time, comparing Gabs' ideals and concerns about Xena with the "real" Xena who was capable of greater evil and emotional range than even the internally aware Gabs knew, and comparing the Xena we were seeing at the time with the Xena she had been before. Maybe that's why I can revisit eps I've seen countless times, yet still find freshness that surprises me. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 16:09:11 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] "Listening" in ULYSSES and AFIN It's interesting reviewing my S2 DVDs in the light of eps that came after. Even though Cheryl initiated a recent discussion about ULYSSES, I decided to give it another look. I was struck by the similarities between X&G's opening dialogue and the exchange between X and Akemi in AFIN about "listening." G tries to get X to stop and listen to nature -- the "khami" (?) Akemi also hopes X can hear. Both G and A say X will find peace in that. X of course scoffs at this, as she professes not to see the point beyond practical reasons. It's not that her acute hearing doesn't pick up what's going on around her -- e.g., screaming sea gulls when she's with G, or animals in the forest when she's with Akemi. But these are bits of data she seems simply to note and file away, which have value mainly for survival purposes -- especially potential attacks. She tells Akemi she listens for war. What draws her attention when she's with G is the sound of fighting. What's amazing to me about XWP is how -- despite inconsistencies and contradictions -- the early eps have so many seeds that we see flower in flashbacks from later eps. In Gabs' case, it's more linear. With "listening," we see her focused on hearing peace and beauty for its own sake, as she doesn in ULYSSES and CRUSADER. Over the course of the series, she learns to listen as Xena does, for warnings of danger or clues to develop the best offense/defense. This is one of the lessons X impresses upon G in AFIN, which G does indeed use in her quest to get X's body. In X's case, we're always going back and forth, adding texture or depth to what we've already seen. As I watched ULYSSES this time around, I couldn't help but focus more on the ways Xena used listening beyond war or "the practical." I was more conscious of the way she's listening to Ulysses talk about his wife, about his love for Xena, about his wife's love for him. It reminded me of the scene with Akemi, where a surprised Xena hears Akemi's quickened hearbeat and wonders what it means. Akemi says it's about the love that Xena pays too little attention to. I thought of all the later times Xena paid attention to what was going on inside someone, as she did with G especially during the fourth season -- out of love and caring, for clues to the "right" response in terms of what seemed best for the other person. The really fun aspect in these retrospective "takes" is that we know so much more about Xena now than Gabs does. Early on, none of us knew what emotions or experiences lay beneath X's stoic dismissal of stopping to smell the flowers. Gabs often rolled her eyes, as though Xena was somehow "stunted" in that way. To be honest, I did too -- or at least chuckled along with Gabs at Xena's apparent cluelessness. Mind you, I didn't see Xena portrayed as shallow in the early eps, as she certainly seemed adept at listening between the lines. It's just that I hadn't seen the basis for her ability in that arena and just took it for granted as among her many skills. Retrospectively, I layer the early eps with what I learned later on. I know about the loves lost and betrayed, the range of experiences and emotions that shaped the woman beneath the stoicism (e.g., Akemi). I smile at Gabs' naivete about and underestimation of the woman she thinks she knows -- not just in terms of what Xena is capable of when it comes to hurting others, but Xena's capacity to be hurt herself. Gabs knows Xena's ability to decipher the external l landscape, but we now know Xena's capability to appreciate "internal" landscape, even though she rarely expresses it verbally. We can add meaning to the worldless stares, the sardonic smiles, the shoulder shrugs that seemed a bit enigmatic early on. I'm not suggesting that Xenastaff intended for me or anybody else to read what we do into what the flashbacks or later eps meant in terms of earler eps. I guess I'm saying I admire the way Xena's early portrayal allowed for the depth we saw them build later on. There are little themes that take on new meaning, even if "accidental." It's fascinating rewatching the old eps on so many levels -- comparing my new perspective with what I thought at the time, comparing Gabs' ideals and concerns about Xena with the "real" Xena who was capable of greater evil and emotional range than even the internally aware Gabs knew, and comparing the Xena we were seeing at the time with the Xena she had been before. Maybe that's why I can revisit eps I've seen countless times, yet still find freshness that surprises me. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:51:13 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Listening" in ULYSSES and AFIN Ife--okay, okay, we're listening already! Very nice post by the way. Even the third time around...;-> And sadly, yet ANOTHER one to tuck into my "To be answered as soon as you get the chance" bulging file folder.... KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 18:24:55 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lost Mariner Lost Mariner This is one of my favorite episodes. There is a lot to like about this episode. Everyone here seems to have their moments to shine. Gabrielle gets to befriend the kindly first mate, throw-up, eat squid and get a sixty-year-old boyfriend. Xena heroically comes to Gabrielle's rescue by making the longest jump onto a moving ship every attempted. Then she bests Poseidon and solves a 300-year-old curse. The guest stars are also wonderful. Tony Todd as the cursed Cecrops is terrific. He is truly a tragic hero. An innocent man cursed by Poseidon to roam the ocean; fated to enslave anyone whom he happens to take on board his ship. He is not a bad man and he hates the fact that so many people have fallen into his trap. He can never escape the curse because Athena has given him immortality. He will only be released when he finds love. He roams the seas in despair with a crew of now elderly pirates. He knows no one will ever love him and the curse will never be lifted. When he reluctantly saves Gabrielle, he begins to discover something about love when Xena willingly jumps aboard his ship to be with her friend. Slowly Cecrops begins to examine his life. He remembers his one true love he could never be with but loved with all his being. The in a terrible storm his first mate and friend, Hasim, dies trying to save him. Suddenly Cecrops knows the truth, the lost mariner is lost no more, it is not finding someone to love him but to love others is the solution to the curse. Cecrops then sacrifices himself to the whirlpool so that his crew and his friends can be free from the ship. The story of course has a happy ending because Athena gave Cecrops immortality and he washes ashore with his crew hail and hearty and ready to resume his life. Todd has great charisma. His Cecrops is larger than life; a man full of vigor and humor. He puts on a fagade of ruthlessness but is at heart gentle and caring. This is perhaps the best piece of guest star casting in the history of the series. Todd inhabits Cecrops as if he was born to play this role. George Henare who played Hasim is also very good. Hasim is Cecrops friend and first mate. He also takes a fatherly interest in Gabrielle in whom he sees the daughter he as hasn't seen in twenty years. Henare brings warmth and gentle humor to his role. ROC is very good here. She is funny as she deals with her sixty year old boyfriend and her legendary seasickness. Lucy is also very good. I really liked the part where she has jumped aboard the ship and as Cecrops rages at her; she calmly makes sure Gabrielle is all right before dealing with the chaos around her. Everyone here did a great job. Well maybe the pirate captain who is chasing Cecrops overacts but then actors do seem to go over the top when doing pirates. Some questions though: When Xena climbs into the crow's nest why is she flailing her sword about? I know she has to drop it so that Cecrops can pick it up and defy Poseidon by returning it to her but it doesn't make a lot of sense. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 23:17:08 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Kathryn Morris show And to add to the XWP mentions...... on tonight's "Charmed" opener, Piper leads a group of "valkeries" to face off against some thugs, when the thug looks at them in their Amazon type garb and says, "What's this? A Xena convention?" seems they reference Xena quite a bit... in the season finale last year they used the term "warrior princess". Received: from smtpin-3209.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.234) by storefull-2333.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [199.201.145.78]) by smtpin-3209.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 4004D11E59 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 09:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (ident-user@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8RG1rnc007036 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id h8RG1q6i007035 for chakram-refugees-outgoing; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:01:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: smoe.org: majordom set sender to owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org using -f Received: from mailhost.uark.edu (mail.uark.edu [130.184.5.66]) by smoe.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id h8RG1onc007028 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 12:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SLAYER.uark.edu (cdm-66-233-60-5.fayt.cox-internet.com [66.233.60.5]) by mailhost.uark.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.04 (built Oct 21 2002)) with ESMTPSA id <0HLV005XXQYSX5@mailhost.uark.edu> for chakram-refugees@smoe.org; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:56:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:56:49 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Kathryn Morris show In-reply-to: <161.25ea7d5f.2ca60729@aol.com> X-Sender: sswilso@mail.uark.edu To: IfeRae@aol.com, chakram-refugees@smoe.org Message-id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030927105304.00ba72a8@mail.uark.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.8 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 X-Virus-Scanned: clamdscan / ClamAV version 0.60 Sender: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive At 05:18 PM 9/26/2003 -0400, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/26/03 10:28:52 AM Central Daylight Time, >cande@sunlink.net writes: > ><< I thought this was funny last night. They were advertising Kathryn >Morris's show Cold Case. They showed a clip. Morris was saying something >to the >effect that she was trying to get justice for someone and the man she was >talkking to said "So you're a crusader". I was sort of startled at the >line and the >connection it had to her Xena appearance. >> > >You were "startled"? How come? Isn't everything somehow connected to XWP >now? Yes, it is. :D See? Hudson Leick dropped hints about wanting to be a baddie on Angel. She's in Eliza Dushku's new show's pilot (Tru Calling). Eliza Dushku played Faith on Buffy and Angel. Seesee? Steph :) (who reeeally wants to see Hudson as a baddie on Angel) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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