From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #277 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, September 19 2003 Volume 03 : Number 277 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Najara mention [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] New Lucy Warrior Women Candid Photo ["outback" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Najara mention [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan Poll [cr ] RE: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide on Tarzan ["bookdaft" I just got the TV Guide for the week of 9/20 and there was blurb about > Kathryn > Morris which mentions her Xena role. > > "The thirtysomething actress, perhaps best known as Tom Cruise's estranged > wife in Minority Report" and sexy villain Najara on Xena: Warrior > Princess..." > > Now why are all female villains referred to as sexy? Najara wasn't > particularly sexy in my opinion. She was psychotic, manipulative and > fanatical but not sexy. I don't know it just seemed lazy on the writer's > part > like he couldn't even bother to ask the actress about the role, he just went > for the pat description. > Or, he went for the only description his little pea brain could grasp -- or handle. Too bad, because I think Morris did an excellent job on XWP that went way beyond her attractiveness. Still "sexy" definitely doesn't come to my mind when thinking about Najara -- or Callisto either, for that matter. Xena, I could understand, though that was just one weapon in her large arsenal. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:26:35 -0700 From: "outback" Subject: [chakram-refugees] New Lucy Warrior Women Candid Photo Pop on over to the fan club page at http://www.creationent.com/outback/fanclubs/ind ex.html for a new photo I just received from the Warrior Women production company. Sharon Official Xena Fan Club ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:56:56 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Warrior Queen On Thursday 18 September 2003 15:01, S. Wilson wrote: > At 10:40 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > >TV Guide Fall Preview issue, p. 109, has a note on Warrior Queen, a > >movie on Boudica, to be shown on PBS (!) on Oct. 12. It stars Alex > >Kingston, of ER and The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders. > > > >Boeotian > > Ah! Ah! A couple of years ago the production staff of this movie contacted > me to get some help with background info and historical costumery and stuff > like that. I've been waiting to see this puppy finally hit the market. > Yay! I think Alex Kingston is going to rock in this role. > > Steph > *running out into the night to buy a spankin' new tape* Is this a British production? Just that I saw a TV-movie of (IIRC) the same title, about Boudicca, about a month ago (here in NZ), and that was quite definitely made in Britain (though not BBC, IIRC). Unfortunately I missed the cast list so I don't know if it would have been the same one. Wasn't bad. Umm, I think I recognised Edward Woodward as the Roman general, though. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:19:49 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Najara mention On Thursday 18 September 2003 16:55, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/2003 6:11:19 PM Central Daylight Time > > Or, he went for the only description his little pea brain could grasp -- or > handle. Too bad, because I think Morris did an excellent job on XWP that > went way beyond her attractiveness. Still "sexy" definitely doesn't come > to my mind when thinking about Najara -- Najara was sex*less*, IMO. > or Callisto either, for that matter. Ohh no, Callisto could be as sexy as all get-out when she wanted to be. Again, IMO :) > Xena, I could understand, though that was just one weapon in her > large arsenal. > > -- Ife Never mind weapons, dammit, she was *sexy*. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 20:07:23 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Tarzan Poll On Thursday 18 September 2003 02:11, Meredith Tarr wrote: > Thanks, cr, for standing up for Gabfans everywhere. > :) I'm sure that took quite a lot of intestinal > fortitude. ;) Umm, no it didn't actually. Though as we know I have major problems with Gabs on occasion (blame it on the writing :) that doesn't extend to ROC, nor to the Gabfans I know. > But I guess if people are willing to not only watch a > show that they loathe but join fan groups just so they > can spew vitriol about their hatred of the show there, > anything is possible. (We all know this happened in > the Xenaverse ... and I saw it happening in Buffy > fandom as well. Amazing.) Yes, I find that bizarre. I don't know how they can do it. If I hated Gabs or ROC that much, I just wouldn't be able to watch XWP. I would find better things to do with my time. > Personally, I'm very much looking forward to seeing > Lucy in a new role (though honestly, from the > description in the press releases doesn't it sound > like she's going to be playing Dar Roberts? ;). I'm > not all that excited about a Tarzan tv show (sorry, > but I've never understood the appeal of that story in > general), Just think of it as 'Sheena', but with a guy ;) > and I have some reservations as to the > wisdom of Lucy taking on another genre role, but maybe > we'll all get lucky and _Tarzan_ will be the next > _Smallville_. > > My only issue is that it appears that _Tarzan_ is > going to conflict with _Alias_. *HUGE* problem. (Not > to mention a ratings problem as well -- it's just > stupid to schedule genre shows against one another.) > Good thing I didn't get rid of my VCR when I got my > TiVo. > > Meredith > meth@smoe.org Now Alias is one that I want to catch. Never seen it. But I'm intrigued by the poster of Jennifer Garner I saw (looking like Amarice). Now isn't that a silly reason to watch a show? cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 06:27:08 -0400 From: "bookdaft" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] TV Guide on Tarzan I think it's less about amnesia and more the fact that the slick magazine pages have a longer lead time. I've noticed it runs about 4 weeks. The announcement of Lucy joining the Tarzan cast was sometime around September 8. My copy of the Fall Preview TV Guide issue arrived in the mail that same week, which means it was at the printer's that week or the week before. There was no way they could have changed their article in time. I think even TV Guide Online didn't post it until September 8 or 9. As an indication that TV Guide magazine can't respond to late breaking news, next week's issue has statements that John Ritter, who died last late last week (around September 12) was going to reprise his role as J.D.'s dad on Scrubs. This was also in the slick article pages. I make this observation because it appears Lucy's hiring for Tarzan was a last minute decision. bd - -----Original Message----- From: owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org [mailto:owner-chakram-refugees@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KLOSSNER9@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:28 PM To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Subject: [chakram-refugees] TV GUide on Tarzan The TV Guide Fall Preview issue, Sept. 13-19, p. 59, has a piece on Tarzan. They list 5 actors -- and no Lucy Lawless. Sheesh. How quickly they forget. Boeotian ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 08:23:07 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Warrior Queen (Boadicea) I think there were a couple other by the same title produced in the UK? This one, however, is the only one I know of starring Alex Kingston. *s* Just from what they told me when they were in those wee early early stages of putting it together, it sounded fantastic. Large budget, shot in Romania I think (it's been so long I can't remember, and I lost the correspondences when my last computer crashed). Here's a link (look at that picture and tell me you won't be watching): http://www.pbs.org/previews/EMMTWarriorQueen/ I can't wait. Steph At 05:56 PM 9/18/2003 +1200, cr wrote: >On Thursday 18 September 2003 15:01, S. Wilson wrote: > > At 10:40 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > > >TV Guide Fall Preview issue, p. 109, has a note on Warrior Queen, a > > >movie on Boudica, to be shown on PBS (!) on Oct. 12. It stars Alex > > >Kingston, of ER and The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders. > > > > > >Boeotian > > > > Ah! Ah! A couple of years ago the production staff of this movie contacted > > me to get some help with background info and historical costumery and stuff > > like that. I've been waiting to see this puppy finally hit the market. > > Yay! I think Alex Kingston is going to rock in this role. > > > > Steph > > *running out into the night to buy a spankin' new tape* > >Is this a British production? Just that I saw a TV-movie of (IIRC) the >same title, about Boudicca, about a month ago (here in NZ), and that was >quite definitely made in Britain (though not BBC, IIRC). Unfortunately I >missed the cast list so I don't know if it would have been the same one. >Wasn't bad. > >Umm, I think I recognised Edward Woodward as the Roman general, though. > >cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:12:20 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Warrior Queen (Boadicea) this can be purchased on dvd, btw. saw it in some catalogue or other. i found alex a most interesting choice. trouble is, i was so smitten w/ jen w-l who, to my mind, was quintessential in the role, that i fear no one can reprise her to my satisfaction. still, i do like alex kingston and am intrigued by boadicea, so i'll prolly check it out. i know i'll be irked if they don't mention her relationship with xena, which obviously was as . ;) md - ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Wilson" To: "cr" ; ; Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] [OT] Warrior Queen (Boadicea) > I think there were a couple other by the same title produced in the UK? > This one, however, is the only one I know of starring Alex Kingston. *s* > Just from what they told me when they were in those wee early early stages > of putting it together, it sounded fantastic. Large budget, shot in Romania > I think (it's been so long I can't remember, and I lost the correspondences > when my last computer crashed). > > Here's a link (look at that picture and tell me you won't be watching): > > http://www.pbs.org/previews/EMMTWarriorQueen/ > > I can't wait. > > Steph > > > > At 05:56 PM 9/18/2003 +1200, cr wrote: > >On Thursday 18 September 2003 15:01, S. Wilson wrote: > > > At 10:40 PM 9/17/2003 -0400, KLOSSNER9@aol.com wrote: > > > >TV Guide Fall Preview issue, p. 109, has a note on Warrior Queen, a > > > >movie on Boudica, to be shown on PBS (!) on Oct. 12. It stars Alex > > > >Kingston, of ER and The Adventures and Misadventures of Moll Flanders. > > > > > > > >Boeotian > > > > > > Ah! Ah! A couple of years ago the production staff of this movie contacted > > > me to get some help with background info and historical costumery and stuff > > > like that. I've been waiting to see this puppy finally hit the market. > > > Yay! I think Alex Kingston is going to rock in this role. > > > > > > Steph > > > *running out into the night to buy a spankin' new tape* > > > >Is this a British production? Just that I saw a TV-movie of (IIRC) the > >same title, about Boudicca, about a month ago (here in NZ), and that was > >quite definitely made in Britain (though not BBC, IIRC). Unfortunately I > >missed the cast list so I don't know if it would have been the same one. > >Wasn't bad. > > > >Umm, I think I recognised Edward Woodward as the Roman general, though. > > > >cr > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:23:44 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] New Lucy Warrior Women Candid Photo wow! WOW! myself personally, i just think she keeps looking better. but then, i've always liked older women. or perhaps, not to offend, i should say i've always liked the way women look as we get older, if done naturally and without nipping and tucking. there's "pretty" and "gorgeous," the attributes of youth, and then there's "beautiful" which is ageless. lucy's got beautiful. md - ----- Original Message ----- From: "outback" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:26 AM Subject: [chakram-refugees] New Lucy Warrior Women Candid Photo > Pop on over to the fan club page at > http://www.creationent.com/outback/fanclubs/ind > ex.html for a new photo I just received from the > Warrior Women production company. > > Sharon > Official Xena Fan Club > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:36:22 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #261 On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:55:16 -0400 "Cheryl Ande" writes: > > I have always found the last scene from The Debt confusing but I have always > interpreted not so much as Xena deceiving Gabrielle but as Xena not > realizing what she had done. I think when Xena kills Ming she does so out > of sheer disgust. There is no crime worse for Xena than the killing of > family and to see Ming gloat about killing not only his mother but also a > great woman was just to much for Xena. I think she just simply snapped. > There is no other explanation for her talking to the dead Ming as if he were > alive when Gabrielle comes back for her. Xena is nearly in a state of shock > when Gabrielle leads her away. > > Yeah, I remember when that first was shown and many of us (well, me:~) on lists were going "huh?". But I looked at it later in slow motion and saw that his eyes were moving about as the camera rolled around him. I assumed the intention was she was talking to him as he was slowly dying. A lot creepier idea than talking to dead Ming. And makes more sense. However, the director was either way too subtle or the actor couldn't give what was wanted. Just my guess. ******************************************************************** "Always keep your bowler on in times of stress and watch out for diabolical masterminds." - --EMMA PEEL ********************************************************************** ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:35:24 -0500 From: "Daniel T. Miller" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] "Charming" homage to Xena On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 20:14:47 -0700 "Xena Torres" writes: > I know! Are they Valkryries or Amazons? Two COMPLETELY different sets of > women warriors. > Actually, anyone notice how everyone dresses Amazons like Xena now? > AND, in the second episode of the fourth season, Charmed featured the > Furies. And the three ladies dressed EXACTLY like they did on Xena, and no, > that ain't their mythical look. > BATTLE ON XENA! > > Xena Torres: Warrior Writer > http://www.geocities.com/bitchofrome > > Well, this is a very good point you have brought up. Is there any popular culture studies people here that could help us with this? :~) Is there a name for when there are many ways to interpret a idea, a character, or a myth--but one interpretation makes such an impression that it becomes the standard interpretation? Am I explaining this right? The only two example that come to me are Santa and Sherlock Holmes. Most of what how we accept Santa looks like comes from the illustrator of the poem, "The Night Before Christmas." Doyle never wrote that deerstalker outfit in a story. The original Strand illustrator designed the Holmes look. The big curve red pipe seen in so many interpretations of Holmes was there, because the actor that first played Holmes found that was the easiest pipe to work with on stage. I remember when first seeing the Jeremy Brett version of Holmes on PBS Mystery, how strange it was to see Brett use the historically accurate straight pipe that looked like a tall corncob. It looked wrong, it looked like something Huck Finn should be smoking. SO, X:WP visual interpretation of classic material may become such a standard that it may become "the right way,' to interpret. It is possible in 50 years, people who have never heard of X:WP (Yes, I know. Bite my tongue.) will know the "right way" the Fates and Amazons are suppose to look. But will assume that look was established a lot earlier that a 20th century TV show. As I wrote when I started, is there a name for this phenomena? Though, I don't think we have to worry about anyone else coping the bamboo Trojan horse. Which I liked..:~) Back to lurking. *********************************************** Why do you think the call it a broadsword? At last, a Princess who can rescue herself. -- "Princess Minerva" video box ********************************************** ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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