From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #274 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Tuesday, September 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 274 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Orphan of War [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena commentries [IfeRae@aol.com] [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses [cr ] RE: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? ["Ribaud, Lynn" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com [cjlnh@webtv.net ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news [KTL ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news ["mirrordrum" I did like > that little part where Gabby seems concerned that Xena is about to run off > with Ulysses. I can however interupt that as any body's concern when a guy > enters your best friend's life - you never know if you are about to be left > in > the dust. Uh oh. I kind of liked Ulysses -- sort of on my "Hmmm, what ep haven't I watched 50 times already that isn't in the 'Watch Only If You Have Nothing Remotely New To View While Eating Dinner' category." Admittedly, my interest was largely what you say -- the turnabout in Gabs' version of Xena's reaction to Perdicus. I appreciated the subtext apart from the TV version, so it didn't bother me that Xena had male interests. The actor's performance aside, I liked Xena's ethical stance when it came to Ulysses' wife -- that Xena honored another woman's strength, loyalty and position. I also loved that Xena helped Ulysses out, when his wounded shoulder wasn't strong enough to help him string the bow -- essentially being the reason (heh) his story became so famous. I liked the little "smell the flowers" exchange with Gabs, then Xena sitting and admiring Ulysses fight. And, as usual, I love any chance at seeing Lucy in that hooded robe. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:20:37 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Orphan of War In a message dated 9/14/2003 12:55:40 AM Central Daylight Time, mab961@satx.rr.com writes: > This was one of my favorite eps of that season, primarily for the way LL > played the her scenes with Solan. Yes, I thought this was a great way to begin "humanizing" Xena -- giving us an unexpected glimpse into the emotions below the surface. This was also one of the first time Gabs challenged Xena about such a personal issue. Xena initially is her season 1 self, but relents in terms of letting her new friend "in" to her private space. I thought Lucy did a wonderful job both expressing and masking her pain at initially being rejected by Solan, then having to leave him once they'd established a "connection." I always liked that Xena was a mother, even if bad things tended to happen to children on XWP. When I hear the Solan "theme" music, it always tugs my heart. Giving him up was probably the one decision she had the most mixed emotions about. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:20:40 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:26:09 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > This was actually what happen with Xena since no one actually knew if > LL could carry a show they hired ROC because she was a known quanity and had > some good acting credits hoping if things were bad she could carry a lot of > the exposition. You mean because Lucy wasn't known outside NZ? Frankly, I hadn't realized ROC was "known" that much, outside of the Tapert/Raimi circle. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:20:35 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com In a message dated 9/14/2003 10:15:32 AM Central Daylight Time, cjlnh@webtv.net writes: > Well I don't know if it was my note to this list yesterday or great > timing, but the votes FOR Lucy joining the Tarzan cast doubled in the > last 12 hours and with over 5000 votes in those happy about her joining > the cast went from 69% when I logged in yesterday to 89% this morning. > I went to the site late Sunday and didn't see anything about a poll. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:20:39 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena commentries In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:37:58 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > I got my Best Buy set and having watching the interviews and commentries. > Rob > is the best commentator followed by Renee. Lucy is funny but I suspect once > she did an episode she just wiped the slate clean. > Bwhahahaha! I suspect you're right. She always said she's an "in the moment" kind of gal/actor. Many fans didn't believe her, though it was clear she had little recollection of details the rest of us knew by heart -- like the fact that her character was from Amphipolis. I sent my Amazon DVDs back unopened, once I found out about the extra interview on Best Buy. Guess I'd better get the BB ones soon, eh? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:20:43 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? I happened to be watching the Bears-Vikings football game (I live in Chicago, okay?), during which a commercial appeared for a business Visa card. It was about two women who run a fashion company. I thought it was a hypothetical company with models -- one a dark-haired designer, the other a marketing person with short reddish hair. Unfortunately I wasn't paying much attention until they said the name of the company -- C&C Designs (I think). I suppose the marketing person could've been Claire, though she certainly didn't jump out at me as looking familiar. Anybody else see that? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:21:45 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses On Monday 15 September 2003 09:56, Cheryl Ande wrote: > There have been some who said this show got a bad rap because it > interferred with the subtext. I don't know if that's fair to the > subtexters. I did like that little part where Gabby seems concerned that > Xena is about to run off with Ulysses. I can however interupt that as any > body's concern when a guy enters your best friend's life - you never know > if you are about to be left in the dust. However I do notice that even > Shippers never wrote any Xena and Ulysses stories . Even Rafe popped up in > a few stroes but not Uly. > > Not much of a review here - sorry. > > CherylA Well, I liked the bit where Xena strung his bow under the table. That's one of those neat re-writing of history scenes, like When in Rome. Not so much re-writing history, as inventing their own story behind it. (Unlike - ahem - - OAAA). And I did like that Xena backed off and, in effect, told him to go back to his wife. That did her credit. Agreed that the guy was a charisma free zone. Odd, for someone as good looking as he undoubtedly was. Contrast that with Cecrops in the next (?) ep, who really isn't handsome but he sure has got *something*. Btw, what's that about this ep interfering with the subtext? IMO, the darn subtext was always interfering with the story. Dratted subtexters.... cr ... stomps off into the distance, muttering to himself ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:53:07 -0400 From: "Ribaud, Lynn" Subject: RE: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? > From: IfeRae@aol.com [mailto:IfeRae@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 2:21 AM > To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org > Subject: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? > > > I happened to be watching the Bears-Vikings football game (I > live in Chicago, > okay?), during which a commercial appeared for a business > Visa card. It was > about two women who run a fashion company. I thought it was > a hypothetical > company with models -- one a dark-haired designer, the other > a marketing person > with short reddish hair. Unfortunately I wasn't paying much > attention until > they said the name of the company -- C&C Designs (I think). > I suppose the > marketing person could've been Claire, though she certainly > didn't jump out at me > as looking familiar. Anybody else see that? Claire spoke about this at the Brooklyn con. Yes, the commercial is speaking of her company (C&C California, I believe) and no, the actors are not Claire and Cheyann. They'd have had to audition to play themselves, and Claire didn't want to face that. Imagine being turned down to play *yourself*... Lynn Ribaud ribaud@bnl.gov ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:05:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses - -----Original Message----- From: cr " Well, I liked the bit where Xena strung his bow under the table. That's one of those neat re-writing of history scenes, like When in Rome. Not so much re-writing history, as inventing their own story behind it. (Unlike - ahem - - OAAA)." Well that was cool but it made Uly look like a deluded fool in some ways however he did manage to use very effectivly. "And I did like that Xena backed off and, in effect, told him to go back to his wife. That did her credit." Yes I should have mentioned that. I shows that Xena is an honorable woman and very realistic. She knows that Ulysses, like a lot of returning soldiers, needs a chance to readjust to the lives they left behind. It was one of Xena's finest moments. Of course what the heck was she going to do with him once his physical charms wear thin - just someone else to save. CherylA Agreed that the guy was a charisma free zone. Odd, for someone as good looking as he undoubtedly was. Contrast that with Cecrops in the next (?) ep, who really isn't handsome but he sure has got *something*. Btw, what's that about this ep interfering with the subtext? IMO, the darn subtext was always interfering with the story. Dratted subtexters.... cr ... stomps off into the distance, muttering to himself ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:11:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Solan Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 01:14:58 -0500 From: "Mark B." Subject: [chakram-refugees] Orphan of War "In the ending scene, she delivered [IMHO] a very powerful and moving dialogue with Solan that gave the impression she was on the verge of telling Solan that she was his mother and was only just barely able to keep it back. I'm one who also enjoys [on a non-technical level] the impact of lighting on a scene. The light that highlighted the side of her face as she spoke with Solan just seemed to emphasize the strength of the emotions Xena was feeling as she spoke to her son." This is a very powerful scene. Lucy did such a wonderful job conveying Xena's conflicting emotions. You know she wants to tell him the truth but she doesn't want to destroy that wonderful picture he has of his mother. In the end she choses to let him have that image because in reality she has nothing to offer him. Jus a mother who can't be there for him and that realization breaks her heart - again. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 11:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com Well I don't know if it was my note to this list yesterday or great timing, but the votes FOR Lucy joining the Tarzan cast doubled in the last 12 hours and with over 5000 votes in those happy about her joining the cast went from 69% when I logged in yesterday to 89% this morning. Thanks for fellow Xenites and the word of mouth.... ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:39:36 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena commentries - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl LaScola" To: "Cheryl Ande" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena commentries > Although I agree Rob gives the most technical "background" to the eps I > personally love the commentary when it is just Lucy and Renee.....they > seem more open and fun loving, kind of "girls just wanna have fun" > atmosphere. > Yeah I did enjoy the fact they watched the episodes like they never saw them before. Perhaps they never did see the whole episode at least I don't think Lucy ever did. Rob said she never liked watching the completed episodes probabaly because like a lot of actors she was too self-critical. I however do enjoy listening to all the technical stuff. I was absolutely astonished to hear that no one ever took to the high seas in Destiny and that the boat latter doubled as the fort in The Price. I love that kind of stuff. By the way did you see the blurb about Hercules Season 2. Rob will be gossiping about Sorbo and the USA execs. Looks like they are trying to drum Hercules business. I wonder how the sets are faring vis a vis one and other. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 17:56:30 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses One day over at Whoosh a brave writer defended this episode. She almost had me convinced this was a half way good episode and then I watched it again. You know there are good things here - great music, nice fights, Gabrielle dancing and barfing across the ocean, and Rob's Folly. However you can't get past the dismal casting of John D'Aquino as Ulysses and it's a shame. Ulysses would have been such a great character to have on the show - a great warrior and a clever trickster. Cast correctly and if the script had been just bit more witty we could have had a great episode but it didn't happen. Lucy tries her best here but there is absolutly no chemeistry between her and D'Aquino and the love story just didn't come off. D'Aquino just tried too hard to be charming and it didn't help that he came off as slightly dumb. Rachel Blakely is wasted as Penelope. She is a good actress and plays in the syndicated show Lost World where she plays roguish woman adventurer. She was also onced rumored to have been up for the part of Eve. There have been some who said this show got a bad rap because it interferred with the subtext. I don't know if that's fair to the subtexters. I did like that little part where Gabby seems concerned that Xena is about to run off with Ulysses. I can however interupt that as any body's concern when a guy enters your best friend's life - you never know if you are about to be left in the dust. However I do notice that even Shippers never wrote any Xena and Ulysses stories . Even Rafe popped up in a few stroes but not Uly. Not much of a review here - sorry. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= - ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:02:17 -0400 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses Cheryl Ande wrote: > There have been some who said this show got a bad rap because > it interferred with the subtext. I don't know if that's fair > to the subtexters. I have to admit that in my book interfering with the subtext was never a good thing -- but it was also nothing new. They'd already thrown Draco, Marcus, Ares, etc... at Xena. When I 1st watched the episode I figured no one could be that bad of an actor. Maybe it was simply the dialogue or... or maybe heat stroke! But then I saw D'Aquino in some other show and realized that wasn't the case. He was as bad there as he had been in Xena. Totally unwatchable. And he's in too many scenes to fast-forward thru and make it worth your while. > Not much of a review here - sorry. I think you've said it all. - - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= - ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #273 ************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:13:59 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #273 Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:02:17 -0400 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Ulysses "I have to admit that in my book interfering with the subtext was never a good thing -- but it was also nothing new. They'd already thrown Draco, Marcus, Ares, etc... at Xena. When I 1st watched the episode I figured no one could be that bad of an actor. Maybe it was simply the dialogue or... or maybe heat stroke! But then I saw D'Aquino in some other show and realized that wasn't the case. He was as bad there as he had been in Xena. Totally unwatchable. And he's in too many scenes to fast-forward thru and make it worth your while." D'Aquino was in Seaquest the show Ted Raimi was in perhaps we can all balme Ted for getting this guy this role (g). Usually the casting is very good and on the mark, especially in major roles. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:15:22 EDT From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? In a message dated 9/15/03 2:21:27 AM, IfeRae@aol.com writes: >I happened to be watching the Bears-Vikings football game (I live in Chicago, >okay?), during which a commercial appeared for a business Visa card. It >was >about two women who run a fashion company. I thought it was a hypothetical >company with models -- one a dark-haired designer, the other a marketing >person >with short reddish hair. Unfortunately I wasn't paying much attention >until >they said the name of the company -- C&C Designs (I think). I suppose >the >marketing person could've been Claire, though she certainly didn't jump >out at me >as looking familiar. Anybody else see that? Saw it (you don't think I'd miss the Bears on one of the rare occasions when they're on a channel I can see, do you? ). I remember the ad, more or less, but I didn't see anybody who looked like Claire, so presumably actors were used in the ad if it did indeed portray her company. - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:11:31 +0100 From: Sojourner Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news At 02:20 15/09/2003 -0400, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:26:09 PM Central Daylight Time, >cande@sunlink.net writes: > > > This was actually what happen with Xena since no one actually knew if > > LL could carry a show they hired ROC because she was a known quanity > and had > > some good acting credits hoping if things were bad she could carry a lot of > > the exposition. > >You mean because Lucy wasn't known outside NZ? Frankly, I hadn't realized >ROC was "known" that much, outside of the Tapert/Raimi circle. > >-- Ife I think the phrase "known quantity" applies to the Tapert/Raimi circle - not known as in famous, but known as in reliable to deliver what she delivers... Sojourner ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:51:32 -0400 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena commentries IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > I sent my Amazon DVDs back unopened, once I found out about > the extra interview on Best Buy. Guess I'd better get > the BB ones soon, eh? Get that cute little bronzed butt to Best Buy right away my dear, so I don't have to call all around town again trying in vain to find you a copy! - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:32:48 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Claire Commercial? In a message dated 9/15/03 7:59:33 AM Central Daylight Time, ribaud@bnl.gov writes: << Claire spoke about this at the Brooklyn con. Yes, the commercial is speaking of her company (C&C California, I believe) and no, the actors are not Claire and Cheyann. They'd have had to audition to play themselves, and Claire didn't want to face that. Imagine being turned down to play *yourself*... >> Bwahahaha! "Sorry, Ms. Stanfield, but you're too bawdy and not tall enough." Anyway, glad they're getting some mention. Thanks for the info. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 21:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com It is still there at 8,441 and Lucy's % dropping from 89% to 88%. Seems some Tazan fans are increasingly anti-Lucy. Since I started tracking the poll, the "NOT HAPPY at all Lucy is in the series" count has gone from 500 to almost 850!! Come on LL fans keep voting for LL!! The site is www.tarzantheseries.com and the poll is on the right side just below the header... Cheryl J ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:21:17 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news > >In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:26:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > >cande@sunlink.net writes: > > > > > This was actually what happen with Xena since no one actually knew if > > > LL could carry a show they hired ROC because she was a known quanity > > and had > > > some good acting credits hoping if things were bad she could carry a lot of > > > the exposition. > > > >You mean because Lucy wasn't known outside NZ? Frankly, I hadn't realized > >ROC was "known" that much, outside of the Tapert/Raimi circle. > > > >-- Ife > > I think the phrase "known quantity" applies to the Tapert/Raimi circle - > not known as in famous, but known as in reliable to deliver what she > delivers... > > Sojourner I hadn't heard this. The only things I heard about the casting was that Lucy was like the fifth choice, right? And that there was concern about her being able to pull in an audience. (I'll wait until the hysterical laughter dies down.) What I read somewhere about the casting of Renee was that they knew that Xena had to be gorgeous. But for the sidekick, they figured it didn't matter so much so they just went for the best actress of those who had auditioned for the role. Whoever said this (It was someone on the show, not Rob, I don't think) then indicated that with Renee they eventually wound up with both a good actess and a good looker too. Lucy of course has said that Rob really wanted Renee in the part because of her prior work for him. But Renee has talked about endless call backs to audition again after her first audition for the role of Gabrielle. So I don't think she was much more palatable to the LA suits than Lucy was. In the new season two DVD Area whatever America is, which I bought in Best Buy for $45 on it's own, not even needing to re-buy season one, YAHOOO! Renee says in the interview on the special Best Buy Bonus cd, that she calls Rob her champion. Because he always fought for her to get roles. Presumably he was fighting other people, not himself. I don't imagine it went, Rob: She's good. Rob: I don't know-is she bankable? Rob: But she can play that spunky fiestiness that so much a part of Gabrielle! Rob: But has anybody ever heard of her aside from those nerds who watch your direct to TV movies? Rob: She was on the Mickey Mouse club, for crying out loud! Not etc... 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 23:26:14 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news i've read and/or heard somewhere or other--i'm not like y'all who know where they read everything--that the part was created for renee by rob presumably b/c of her part in herc & the lost kingdom. which doesn't mean rob didn't have to fight for her to get it. but there was that whole thing about willa auditioning for the part of gab. i swear this was on one of the chats or behind the scenes bits and *some*body says the part was written for gab so altho they auditioned other people etc. etc. iirc, renee didn't know that at the time. indeed, she said wherever i heard or read this. . .maybe it was in chakram?. . .that she didn't even know she'd be in the second season. in any event, she made a perfect foil for lucy/xena on so many fronts. even their acting styles contrast nicely, with ren's compulsive workmanlike approach setting off and highlighting lucy's intuitive style. yes, thelo, i know. you'd much prefer to be watching whatsername who played m'lila. too late now. ;) as for lucy, i didn't realize she was that far down the list. i thought she was second or third. at least that's what i thought some years ago tho i do recall her saying in something recently that she was farther down the list than that. as jose chung said to scully on x-files, "truth is as subjective as reality." and kt, if you don't get a cc of this it's b/c my e-mails to you are bouncing as are those of another bud of yours who uses comcast. md - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KTL" To: "Sojourner" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news > > >In a message dated 9/12/2003 6:26:09 PM Central Daylight Time, > > >cande@sunlink.net writes: > > > > > > > This was actually what happen with Xena since no one actually knew if > > > > LL could carry a show they hired ROC because she was a known quanity > > > and had > > > > some good acting credits hoping if things were bad she could carry a lot of > > > > the exposition. > > > > > >You mean because Lucy wasn't known outside NZ? Frankly, I hadn't realized > > >ROC was "known" that much, outside of the Tapert/Raimi circle. > > > > > >-- Ife > > > > I think the phrase "known quantity" applies to the Tapert/Raimi circle - > > not known as in famous, but known as in reliable to deliver what she > > delivers... > > > > Sojourner > > > I hadn't heard this. The only things I heard about the casting was that > Lucy was like the fifth choice, right? And that there was concern about > her being able to pull in an audience. (I'll wait until the hysterical > laughter dies down.) > > What I read somewhere about the casting of Renee was that they knew that > Xena had to be gorgeous. But for the sidekick, they figured it didn't > matter so much so they just went for the best actress of those who had > auditioned for the role. Whoever said this (It was someone on the show, > not Rob, I don't think) then indicated that with Renee they eventually > wound up with both a good actess and a good looker too. > > Lucy of course has said that Rob really wanted Renee in the part because > of her prior work for him. But Renee has talked about endless call backs > to audition again after her first audition for the role of Gabrielle. So I > don't think she was much more palatable to the LA suits than Lucy was. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:05:07 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] xena poll at tarzantheseries.com In a message dated 9/15/2003 8:13:13 PM Central Daylight Time, cjlnh@webtv.net writes: > The site is www.tarzantheseries.com and the poll is on the right side > just below the header... > Finally found it. 79% for Lucy. Thanks! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:10:19 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Some Tarzan news In a message dated 9/15/2003 10:27:49 PM Central Daylight Time, aemoses@comcast.net writes: > i swear this was on one of the chats or > behind the scenes bits and *some*body says the part was written for gab so > altho they auditioned other people etc. etc. iirc, renee didn't know that > at the time. indeed, she said wherever i heard or read this. . .maybe it was > in chakram?. . .that she didn't even know she'd be in the second season. > Yes, I distinctly remember that too -- especially that they saw Renee as Gabrielle, but that she didn't realize it. Oh, maybe it was on the BTS where she's doing Shakespeare? Althought I thought I'd read it before then. As to Lucy, I'd read in several places that there may have been five ahead of her. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #274 **************************************