From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #260 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Thursday, September 4 2003 Volume 03 : Number 260 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] Re: FIN Part 1 ["Cheryl Ande" ] [chakram-refugees] Xena has new owner, I think ["Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: FIN Part 1 > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:10:58 -0800 (AKDT) > From: KTL > > > > > > (Gabrielle) pleads with Xena but Xena says she wants her to > > know that if she only had thirty seconds to live this how she would > > spend them- looking into Gabrielle's eyes. As Lucy says in the > > commentary Xena is rehearsing her death and this is her deathbed > > confession - she loves Gabrielle. > > > Oh honey, you done been watching this with your HLAK (Hot Lesbian Action > Knob) turned WAY up, ain'tcha? (Note: The HLAK was first noted and > described on the Xenaverse list MANY MANY years ago...) > > What Lucy says in the commentary is: > > "I think this is Xena's practice run at death. Cause she knows she won't > be able to go through it, with Gabrielle. So she's doing it now so that > Gabrielle knows what it might have been like later." > > End of quote > Yes that is the end of the quote but you have to admit there is a confession of love in this scene. "If I only had thirty seconds to live, this is how I would live them - looking into your eyes" This isn't exactly two good buddies saying farewell to one another. If Xena is practicing for her death then she has decided to say something very important to Gabrielle and what she is saying is that she wants to die with the image of her before her. That'w what happens in the last battle. Xena is dying with Gabrielle's name on her lips and her image before her. She isn't thinking of Hercules, or Borias or her children she is thinking of Gabrielle. > Lucy has a very intriguing and imaginative intellect. I love to > hear her analyse what was going on in Xena's mind. I love how she stands > back and comments on Xena--like when Xena bangs the wheel open with her > sword--she says something about how with Xena the final answer is always > brawn and violence. (IF the fancy plans fall through that is...) Yes it is always interesting who obejective actors are when discussing their characters. They have such an ineterstin ability to see them as people in their own right. Xena would of course do this otr that. She never seems to say I decided Xena sould do this or that - it is as if Xena had a kind of will of her own. > > > > It was only with the introduction of Evil Xena in the Debt that XWP was > transformed from being a cheesy parody of myths into being a true myth all > of its own, featuring a hero who was extraordinarily original and > compelling. The presentation of Evil Xena and stories from Xena's horrific > past that were shared with us only after we fell in love with good > reforming Xena, created a myth with a unique take on the hero that Tapert, > Stewart and Lawless continued to weave on our teensy tiny TV screen over > the last four years of the show. There had never been such a character as > Xena in any western Civ storyline that I'm aware of. You're right about how Evil Xena was introduced. For two years we hear about bad Xena was and I don't think the audience really ever imagines that she is all that bad. Then we meet her and in Destiny she isn't really that horrible. A bit spoiled and full of herself but then there is that transformation in the end when you see madness take hold of her. In the Debt we meet the results of Xena's transformationa and I think the audience is stunned. She is corrupt. Nasty and greedy but yet there is still a spark of humanity. You root for Lo Mao to nurture that spark and you expect Xena to make the right choice then Xena obstinately choses the wrong path again. Then you watch her over and over take the wrong fork in the road and you marvel that this woman finally turns from evil and wants to remake her life. It is a powerful story of redemption. Xena didn't change because she was simply always just a good girl trying to break free of evil influences. She was the evil influence and through sheer force of will she turned from it. She decides to use her the power she had for good simply because she decides that is what's best. I never believed that she was looking for salvation for herself. I always thought she was struck suddenly by a kind for empathy for her victims and suddenly she knew what they suffered and wanted to make that right as best she could. I always thought Evil Xena was almost in a kind of psycotic state - disconnected from the people surrounding her never quit able to understand their sufferring. Once Xena is well the magnitude of her selfishness and narcissism overwhelms her and she is determined to rejoin society and act as unselfishly as possible to make up for her prior trangressions. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 19:12:24 -0400 From: "Cheryl Ande" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena has new owner, I think Looks like Universal will be sold to NBC. So I wonder what effect that will have on Xena merchandising or the prospects of a Xena movie. Of course Vevendi has been in financial trouble so a sale is no surprise. CheryA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:28:45 -0800 (AKDT) From: KTL Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, mirrordrum wrote: > bless you, dearrie, for yurr kindness to an auld woman. *chortle* i'm > actually rather excited about anchor bay and more commentary. i'm so easy. > ;) > > also i suspect that as lucy and renee get busier and farther removed from > xener, I actually read this as "...as Lucy and Renee get bustier...." "...and farther removed from Xener,..." And I thought, "What does md know that we don't and just HOW much bustier are those guys going to get? I mean it's pretty "bustier" when getting bustier moves you farther away from something. which i'm sure they will, the opportunities will become less frequent > for these little extras. kiss the joy, relish the day. > > md > pass the hot dogs. KT ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:52:35 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena has new owner, I think Oh NO! ... NBC, MSNBC, Microsoft, Bill Gates... the world is ending! :( At 07:12 PM 9/3/2003 -0400, Cheryl Ande wrote: >Looks like Universal will be sold to NBC. So I wonder what effect that will >have on Xena merchandising or the prospects of a Xena movie. Of course >Vevendi has been in financial trouble so a sale is no surprise. > >CheryA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #260 **************************************