From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #253 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, August 30 2003 Volume 03 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [chakram-refugees] The Baby, the Mother, and the Empire ["abqbeach" Subject: [chakram-refugees] The Baby, the Mother, and the Empire http://xenawp.org/xenaarticles/Xena_BabyMotherEmpire.pdf "The Baby, the Mother, and the Empire: Xena as Ancient Hero" by Alison Futrell Sorry if my scanning skills leave a lot to be desired! angie in NM ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:48:35 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news on Xena 2 DVDs In a message dated 8/27/2003 9:17:54 PM Central Daylight Time, aemoses@comcast.net writes: > just got this e-mail advert from davis-anderson. yup, thass right. > davis-*anderson* not davis-panzer. NB the source of the dvds: > > Davis-Anderson has joined with M80 to help spread the power of Xena! > Join The Xena Circle! > Okay, I joined the Circle. It looks suspiciously like a marketing ploy, with Lucy's (possibly one-time) "appearance" as bait. No doubt the messages will get a bit more pithy, but right now it looks like there'll be lots of "Hi, Lucy and Renee! Love you!" Funny thing is, I didn't see a mention on the site itself about Lucy's upcoming USA chat. Maybe I missed it. The simultaneous announcement of the Circle and the chat suggest a connection between the two that may be happenstance or superficial at best. Anybody got a different "take"? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:48:34 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: ITADITH In a message dated 8/28/2003 6:40:08 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > I think you mean, I assumed 'domestic' implied 'subtext' ? If so, you're > right, I did. >> I figured that, but was trying not to assume. I deleted my first response, based on a second reading of your comment, which sounded like you didn't like "domestic" in terms of the types of activities X&G did. I recognize that also might be part of it, but I wasn't getting how that had to mean subtext. Mind you, it's little things like that which did influence me to start seeing them as a "couple," along with all the other possible interpretations of their relationship. I wasn't "invested" in one interpretation over another, but all of them soon included X&G being each other's "home" (as Sophia so beautifully said) as well as "family." > One of the aspects I ((and *possibly* > >many other women) liked about ADITL and other eps was precisely the little > >day-to-day bits of X&G's lives -- the banter, the tiffs over "domestic" > >chores, etc. Mind you, chores aren't my favorite things IRL either, but I > >got a kick out seeing two female heroes who had mundane lives in between > >balancing the world on their backs. But the military stuff? I left > >that up to somebody else to noodle over. > > Okay, now I understand too. You find details of everyday life interesting > whereas I don't (not even 'male' occupations like digging ditches.) >> Not *all* such details, so much as the ones involving X&G. It communicated the genuine affection between the characters, not just some idealistic "Love" with a big "L." However, my work involves being interested in how other people work, so I suppose what you say is truer for me. I love watching people who enjoy what they do, whether it's driving a bus, digging a ditch, playing basketball, raising kids, running a business, painting .... Okay. I guess that does prove your point. > >Heh, what *you* were discussing. I saw "warfare," "battle," "conflict" or > >whatever as having much more than a physical component, as well as > >applicable to a variety of situations where people might be "fighting" over > >something. > > Well, I don't see it that way, other than in a metaphorical sense. I was > certainly talking about conventional warfare as practised through the ages. > > > So was I. I think we'd better let that discussion gracefully die. > >Actually, I said that that's true of sports where strength is an asset. > >While strength is definitely a part of most sports, I don't believe it > >means the "strongest" one will always win, except maybe in a very few > >sports. > > Not always, but usually, I think. Depends how you define 'strong', of > course.... obviously in the case of runners for example, speed and stamina > > (which are a reflection of physical strength) are what matters. >> In which case you'd see more weight lifters running in -- and winning -- track meets. Form, technique and strategy are also important, as are determination and mood. They all work together, and I don't see how you can isolate strength as the most critical. All other things being equal, the runner who can bench press the most weight may actually be at a disadvantage in terms of agility, flexibility and being injury prone. Dancers and gymnasts can be extremely strong, but not in the same way as someone who doesn't have to move a lot, fast or for sustained minutes. As you say, a lot depends on how we're defining "strength." My perception is that you're talking about one person who can push around another more easily, with the latter presumed to generally prevail. I'm talking about "strength" as more than that and only one of many factors that may determine who prevails. > << We're going to breed a generation of helpless motorists > who can't even change the spark plugs. (That's why I said men of 'my > generation' - we did pride ourselves on being able to keep going if it broke > > down. But then, we didn't carry cellphones to summon help - it was fix it > or start walking.) I like my computer, but I wouldn't let it drive my car > for me! :( >> Well, to be fair, isn't one of the points of technology to do the "thinking" for us? Hasn't mass production made it cheaper to get rid of some things and buy a new one, rather than fix an "outdated" one? My father could fix almost anything, but even he would probably throw his hands up at trying to fix some ultra-computerized gizmo that requires special equipment to analyze and repair. It seems the more "modern" we live, the more helpless we are -- dependent on someone else to provide and maintain everything from such basic necessities as food, to the resources to keep the food from spoiling (e.g., electricity) once we've got it. You know, I think one of the appealing aspects of XWP was that it showed a "simpler" time when our girls could control their environment more, provide for themselves. Yet, there was a science fiction aspect that futuristic, in terms of, say, Xena's ability to "invent" or replicate so many of the things we see now. Heck, she could "fly" or otherwise traverse huge distances in no time, not to mention freezing or blowing up whole armies and surviving for long periods underwater. She was her own technology. > If by more 'practical' you mean women are more ready to call the repair > man, > then that's *another* term we disagree on. I consider 'practical' to be > the > ability to fix minor faults.>> "Practical" to me means fixing those faults in a reasonable enough time that you don't have to cook outside for a month because the innards of the stove are all over the kitchen floor while *somebody* is figuring out the "minor" problem that needs fixing and waiting on the special tool to arrive in order to do that. Clean the heads on the VCR, or extract jammed > << In other words your criticism of 'fixes' that > take forever are based on someone incompetent trying to tackle the job, no?) > >> Nope, I'm talking about folks who are probably even more experienced at these things than you. Besides, I've never yet met a male "someone" who didn't think he was competent to work on whatever he was fixing. > >>>Situations where someone is trying to harm you, physically or otherwise. > >>>"Real" to me means you could be killed, whether it's alone or with 100 > >>>other people, in your own home or a dark alley, as a combatant or > >>>someone caught in the middle. > >> > >>Yes, OK. I've never seen that either. Have you? >> > > > >Yes. > > You have the advantage of me then. >> "Advantage" is not the word I would choose. I was agreeing with you that we sometimes don't know how we'll respond in some situations -- that it might be different than what we or others might expect, and that even experience, role or personality is necessarily predictive of how we'd respond. I was basing my opinions about the "appropriateness" or "reality" of Xena's behavior in "Doctor" on what I'm aware of. It was "possible" to me, not more "valid" than the possibility that she would've reacted differently. > < viewpoint rather than just words. Cultural differences. There are some > things my wife sees in a way which is quite surprising to me. >> That pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say. :-) > > Yes, but surely you're assuming in that statement that there *is* a leader > of > the group. Which is the point I was making. And the leader would want to > > know if someone had heard or observed something, yes, but he would not want > to debate courses of action or listen to opinions. Not in the middle of > the > action. > > How about we agree that, ideally, everything will go exactly as planned and that, if not, the leader will know the best response? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:44:30 -0400 From: Cousin Liz Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > just got this e-mail advert from davis-anderson. > Okay, I joined the Circle. It looks suspiciously like a > marketing ploy > The simultaneous announcement of the Circle and the chat suggest > a connection between the two that may be happenstance or > superficial at best. Anybody got a different > "take"? No different take here. It looked like a definite market ploy to me as well, that is after I finished laughing at the absurdity of the email I had received from them and wondered how many gullible fans would be roped in by them. Here. Have a look. And a laugh: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: OFFICIAL XENA STORE INVITE: Live the Fantasy, Become Part of Xena's Circle Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:59:55 -0700 From: "Sharon Jennings" Organization: Davis-Anderson Merchandising Hello Faithful Xena Fan: My name is Sharon Jennings, Id like to introduce myself as the new marketing maven over at Davis-Anderson Merchandising. In this position, it is crucial that I ask for your help in order to reach all worthy devotees of the Warrior Princess. Shows we represent such as Xena become celebrated because of the fans  the community that supports the legend in every way. I wish to offer you the opportunity to become one of the chosen few  the top council for input on Xena events, merchandising and more. You have received this invitation because of the personal fan site that you have created and regularly update  you have shown that youre a warrior worthy of Xena. And, as part of the Official Xena Store Circle you will need certain weapons to help forge support via the net. These may include: 7 Special Access to Online Chats and Star Personal Appearances 7 First Look at and Special Deals on Upcoming and Current Merchandise 7 Classified News, Special Content and Much More! You could be one of the delegates to spread the word of Xena to her legion of fans. For example, here at the Davis-Anderson headquarters, we are very excited about the upcoming release of the official Season 2 DVD Set of Xena. Did you know that it features awesome bonus material like?: 7 Exclusive Interviews with Lucy Lawless, Renee OConnor and Rob Tapert  Not Done on the Season 1 Set!!! 7 Audio & Video Commentary with Lucy Lawless and Renee OConnor  Also New to the Season 2 Pack!!! 7 Series Trivia on CD-Rom and More! So, will you be joining the Circle? If you accept this mission, we will be sending YOU exclusive content THIS WEEK to share with your division of fans in any way youd like. * Sign up now for the Official Xena Store Circle by clicking REPLY and sending me an affirmative response. Continued growth of the Xena empire is imminent, be part of making happen. Your Faithful Emissary, Sharon Jennings Marketing Maven Davis-Anderson Merchandising Corp * Terms of Service will follow in the next message - -- Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net Soulmates Xena Dinosaur Bards http://cousinliz.com ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:29:43 -0400 (EDT) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena mention On Queer Eye For The Straight Guy they were renovation a persoanl trainer with very long blond hair and they had him get a heair cut. When he came back to his house after the hair cut of the guys said he went from "Xena to a Baldwin." CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:13:34 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs i *do* want y'all to realize that my reason for posting this was not b/c of the "xena circle," which i immediately blew off, but the fact that the dvds are produced by anchor bay, not davis-anderson. i just thought i'd put the whole ad up in case anyone wanted to check it out. i have no interest in a "xena circle," whatever that is. i didn't even go there. just wanted to make clear that i am not so foolish as to be touting a gimmick. or at least not this gimmick. i was just passing along the "context," so to speak, along with the anchor bay news since i hadn't seen anything definitive on that. md--apparently feeling just slightly defensive ;) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cousin Liz" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs > IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > > > just got this e-mail advert from davis-anderson. > > > Okay, I joined the Circle. It looks suspiciously like a > > marketing ploy > > The simultaneous announcement of the Circle and the chat suggest > > a connection between the two that may be happenstance or > > superficial at best. Anybody got a different > > "take"? > > No different take here. It looked like a definite market ploy > to me as well, that is after I finished laughing at the absurdity > of the email I had received from them and wondered how many > gullible fans would be roped in by them. Here. Have a look. And > a laugh: > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Subject: OFFICIAL XENA STORE INVITE: Live the Fantasy, Become Part of Xena's Circle > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 01:59:55 -0700 > From: "Sharon Jennings" > Organization: Davis-Anderson Merchandising > > Hello Faithful Xena Fan: > > My name is Sharon Jennings, Id like to introduce myself as > the new marketing maven over at Davis-Anderson Merchandising. > In this position, it is crucial that I ask for your help in > order to reach all worthy devotees of the Warrior Princess. > Shows we represent such as Xena become celebrated because of > the fans  the community that supports the legend in every way. > > I wish to offer you the opportunity to become one of the chosen > few  the top council for input on Xena events, merchandising > and more. You have received this invitation because of the > personal fan site that you have created and regularly update  > you have shown that youre a warrior worthy of Xena. And, as > part of the Official Xena Store Circle you will need certain > weapons to help forge support via the net. These may include: > > 7 Special Access to Online Chats and Star Personal Appearances > > 7 First Look at and Special Deals on Upcoming and Current Merchandise > > 7 Classified News, Special Content and Much More! > > You could be one of the delegates to spread the word of Xena to > her legion of fans. For example, here at the Davis-Anderson > headquarters, we are very excited about the upcoming release of > the official Season 2 DVD Set of Xena. Did you know that it > features awesome bonus material like?: > > 7 Exclusive Interviews with Lucy Lawless, Renee OConnor and Rob > Tapert  Not Done on the Season 1 Set!!! > > 7 Audio & Video Commentary with Lucy Lawless and Renee OConnor  > Also New to the Season 2 Pack!!! > > 7 Series Trivia on CD-Rom and More! > > So, will you be joining the Circle? If you accept this mission, > we will be sending YOU exclusive content THIS WEEK to share with > your division of fans in any way youd like. * > > Sign up now for the Official Xena Store Circle by clicking REPLY > and sending me an affirmative response. Continued growth of the > Xena empire is imminent, be part of making happen. > > > > Your Faithful Emissary, > > Sharon Jennings > > Marketing Maven > > Davis-Anderson Merchandising Corp > > * Terms of Service will follow in the next message > > -- > Cousin Liz eas01@fast.net > > Soulmates > Xena Dinosaur Bards > http://cousinliz.com > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:11:32 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena mention In a message dated 8/29/03 8:30:57 AM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: << When he came back to his house after the hair cut of the guys said he went from "Xena to a Baldwin." >> Humph! I don't see how that could be an improvement. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:11:31 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs In a message dated 8/29/03 12:15:03 PM Central Daylight Time, aemoses@comcast.net writes: << i *do* want y'all to realize that my reason for posting this was not b/c of the "xena circle," which i immediately blew off, but the fact that the dvds are produced by anchor bay, not davis-anderson. i just thought i'd put the whole ad up in case anyone wanted to check it out. i have no interest in a "xena circle," whatever that is. i didn't even go there. >> Yes, that was my assumption, and thanks for posting the info. I'm not familiar with such sites and even have trouble with the yahoo ones related to Xena. However, I admit I was willing to give it a chance because I thought some of those mentioning it might've known something I didn't. I didn't give a lot of the info they wanted -- just a screen name and email addy. Just wanted to let folks know my impressions. Okay? - -- Ife (patting md's hand) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:51:42 -0400 From: "mirrordrum" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs bless you, dearrie, for yurr kindness to an auld woman. *chortle* i'm actually rather excited about anchor bay and more commentary. i'm so easy. ;) also i suspect that as lucy and renee get busier and farther removed from xener, which i'm sure they will, the opportunities will become less frequent for these little extras. kiss the joy, relish the day. md - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Interesting, possibly positive, news onXena 2 DVDs > In a message dated 8/29/03 12:15:03 PM Central Daylight Time, > aemoses@comcast.net writes: > > << i *do* want y'all to realize that my reason for posting this was not b/c of > the "xena circle," which i immediately blew off, but the fact that the dvds > are produced by anchor bay, not davis-anderson. i just thought i'd put the > whole ad up in case anyone wanted to check it out. i have no interest in a > "xena circle," whatever that is. i didn't even go there. > >> > > Yes, that was my assumption, and thanks for posting the info. I'm not > familiar with such sites and even have trouble with the yahoo ones related to Xena. > However, I admit I was willing to give it a chance because I thought some of > those mentioning it might've known something I didn't. I didn't give a lot of > the info they wanted -- just a screen name and email addy. Just wanted to > let folks know my impressions. Okay? > > -- Ife (patting md's hand) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #253 **************************************