From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #252 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, August 29 2003 Volume 03 : Number 252 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena mention ["abqbeach" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: ITADITH [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena photo club wrappers [cande@sunlink.net] [chakram-refugees] Re: [Flawless] Re: Lucy Live Chat TODAY! [Sekhmet209@a] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 22:37:40 -0600 From: "abqbeach" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena mention Since I'm out of lurkdom lately ... I've actually got a page up on my site that some folks might be interested in - screengrabs and clips from Xena references in other shows and movies. Includes the Seinfield and Reboot shows mentioned in this thread. http://xenawp.org/clips.htm If anyone has any other mentions on videotape or video file, I'd love to add them here. It's taken a while to collect these! angie in NM - ----- Original Message ----- From: "NZJester" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena mention > At 12:01 am 26/08/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >I was watching Seinfeld tonight and Jerry's Dad was commenting how > >everything on TV is "crap" (his words)... followed by. "THE ONLY THING I > >WATCH IS XENA, WARRIOR PRINCESS" > > > >Amazing how many shows gave a nod to a TV legend in the making. > > Even the classic computer generated cartoon ReBoot > had a nod to Xena in it > I actually saw the rerun last month with the nod to Xena in > In it Andria the sprite and Enzo the guardian in training > come into a system from the net on there way to try and find > there way back to Enzo's home system > A reporter named gabby tags along trying to get Andria's story > as they get caught up into a Dungeon & Dragons style game > When they reboot in the game to get special abilities > Andraia's garb looks a bit like Xena's in that Herc & Xena cartoon movie > and the garb of the report Gabby is blonde hair > a green BGSB top, brown skirt and a staff as a weapon > and her reporters pad is now a scroll shape > Enzo however looks more Like Mel in brave heart than Herc > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Catch ya later > NZJester > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:33:22 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: ITADITH On Thursday 28 August 2003 07:14, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/27/2003 5:50:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > In terms of 'domestic violence' (the original point), that usually refers > > to > > a couple who have an intimate relationship. Not 'just friends'. Or > > even flatmates. That's a subtly different meaning of the word > > 'domestic' IMO. But I don't wanna get into all that again.... >> > > Ah. Again, we have different views of that. With all the different living > arrangement today, I'm thinking of "domestic violence" being what happens > in the home, usually between adults. True, I used to hear it mostly in > reference to male/female married couples. I understand your seeing that in > light of the subtext now. I think you mean, I assumed 'domestic' implied 'subtext' ? If so, you're right, I did. > > >More bizarre than considering a mass murderer to be a hero? > > > > A reformed one. > > > > Yes, more bizarre to me. Xena was a hero long before we saw her dark > > past, > > and she did heroic things. But there was nothing in the remotest > > 'domestic' > > about the Gabdrag. One might as well call it a political statement of > > the oppression of the common peasants by the horse-riding nobility > > (except that > > domestic violence is currently a trendy topic and class warfare isn't). > > Both, IMO, are equally irrelevant and wide of the mark. >. > > Yes, I can understand now why it would be "bizarre" to me. I can also see > why it would *not* be bizarre to someone who saw X&G as a couple. It seems we understand each other perfectly then. Now all our shots will be bang on target. :) (snip) > > I have absolutely no interest in watching people doing dishes, or > > cooking, or > > for that matter digging ditches or potatoes or whatever the menfolk of > > those > > times did. Or having domestic arguments. ;) >> > > LOL! Okay, that helps explain some other differences in our responses. We > tend to dismiss different things. One of the aspects I ((and *possibly* > many other women) liked about ADITL and other eps was precisely the little > day-to-day bits of X&G's lives -- the banter, the tiffs over "domestic" > chores, etc. Mind you, chores aren't my favorite things IRL either, but I > got a kick out seeing two female heroes who had mundane lives in between > balancing the world on their backs. But the military stuff? I left > that up to somebody else to noodle over. Okay, now I understand too. You find details of everyday life interesting whereas I don't (not even 'male' occupations like digging ditches.) > <> As Peter Cook (?) said in > > >'Yellowbeard', a rotten big 'un will always beat a rotten little 'un. >> > > > > > >Or, maybe some people (not you) focus only on situations where that's > > > more likely to be the case? > > > > As it usually is in cases of physical conflict, which is what we were > > discussing. >> > > Heh, what *you* were discussing. I saw "warfare," "battle," "conflict" or > whatever as having much more than a physical component, as well as > applicable to a variety of situations where people might be "fighting" over > something. Well, I don't see it that way, other than in a metaphorical sense. I was certainly talking about conventional warfare as practised through the ages. > > Well, 'good' there begs the question 'good at *what*'? But, in the > > case of sports, I think that's an area where men do usually have an > > advantage (and > > hence are 'better') because in most (not all!) sports, strength is an > > asset. > > > > As you pointed out.>> > > Actually, I said that that's true of sports where strength is an asset. > While strength is definitely a part of most sports, I don't believe it > means the "strongest" one will always win, except maybe in a very few > sports. Not always, but usually, I think. Depends how you define 'strong', of course.... obviously in the case of runners for example, speed and stamina (which are a reflection of physical strength) are what matters. But the only exception I can think of at the moment, where strength seems to matter not at all, is table tennis. Oh yes, and lawn bowls and croquet. I can't think of any others. > > << I've also found, though, that sometimes > > women don't *want* to know how their car works. Maybe it's because they > > think (or have been conditioned to think) that they as women didn't ought > > to > > be bothered with that sort of thing. Whereas men (at least of my > > generation) either feel they ought to know something about it, or at > > least don't feel they ought *not* to know anything about it. >> > > Well, now even most men can't work on cars as much because so much is > computerized. I know, and I deplore it. It's an absolute pain when it comes to tracking down any faults. We're going to breed a generation of helpless motorists who can't even change the spark plugs. (That's why I said men of 'my generation' - we did pride ourselves on being able to keep going if it broke down. But then, we didn't carry cellphones to summon help - it was fix it or start walking.) I like my computer, but I wouldn't let it drive my car for me! :( > What's interesting to me is how many women are becoming > interested in the innards of computers. Thing is, I think women are more > "practical" when it comes to having things work as they should. The last > thing I want to see is somebody deciding to "fix" the car or stove as some > project that will "save" money but ends up taking forever when a repair > person could do it instead. Of course, men probably feel the same way when > a woman decides to "experiment" with what clothes to wear or make-up to put > on when they're supposed to be going out. :-) If by more 'practical' you mean women are more ready to call the repair man, then that's *another* term we disagree on. I consider 'practical' to be the ability to fix minor faults. Clean the heads on the VCR, or extract jammed tapes from it, without having to pay someone $50 to do it for you. (And incidentally, I have never paid a mechanic to work on any of my cars. I do get tyres changed or punctures fixed by a tyre place, since it's much easier with the right gear. The only mechanical job I don't do myself is changing rear wheel bearings since my home-made press (using a hydraulic jack) isn't powerful enough. I whip the axle shaft out, pop in an old spare, and drop the axle off at a workshop for them to do it and I can pick it up later. This is much quicker for me than having to hang around a workshop, twiddling my thumbs, while they extract the axle and change the bearing. Also much cheaper. In other words your criticism of 'fixes' that take forever are based on someone incompetent trying to tackle the job, no?) But if you were using the term 'practical' in the sense I think you were, of knowing when to quit, technologically speaking, surely that is in contradiction to the fact you mention that women are becoming interested in 'the innards of computers'. You're right, they are, there are quite a number of women on the Linux mailing lists I frequent, though they're still very much in the minority. But that may be changing. > > >Situations where someone is trying to harm you, physically or otherwise. > > >"Real" to me means you could be killed, whether it's alone or with 100 > > >other people, in your own home or a dark alley, as a combatant or > > > someone caught in the middle. > > > > Yes, OK. I've never seen that either. Have you? >> > > Yes. You have the advantage of me then. > > > I was referring to "common" to the two of us, which is more important to > > > my > > > understanding you. The "common to everybody" is a starting point and > > > fine as long as we understand it the same way. > > In fact it's indispensable, IMO. If we didn't have a fair idea of at > > least > > 99% of the words, we couldn't get started, though redundancy does help a > > lot in filling in any gaps. >> > > I say that because I deal with a lot of people for whom English is not > their primary or only language. Fortunately for me, they know more English > than I do their language, but the meaning of the words they use can be > quite different. They may never find an English word to convey what they > really mean, but it's okay, because they explain what they mean well enough > for me to "get" it. After that, I can usually give them an English word > that might approximate better what they were trying to say. Oh, I know that. My wife is a Cook islander. She's very fluent in English, though not always perfectly grammatical. Most of the time, her meaning is obvious, even when conjunctions and pronouns get a little confused. (Polynesian languages treat gender quite differently from English, most notably they don't have different words for 'he or 'she', they use the same word for both. My wife gets over this by allocating 'he' and 'she' at random, which can be entertaining or startling depending on the occasion. I'm not criticising, her English is 10000% better than my nearly non-existent Rarotongan). What causes more misunderstanding, though, are differences in viewpoint rather than just words. Cultural differences. There are some things my wife sees in a way which is quite surprising to me. (big snip) > > I still disagree with you, I think your example is a trifle contrived. > > We'll just have to disagree.>> > > In my experience, things break down for the smallest of reasons -- a blown > tire, a lose wire, a person who heard an instruction the wrong way -- an > "O" ring or piece of tile on the most sophisticated of space shuttles, or a > box cutter that some lowly inspector says shouldn't be allowed on > airplanes. Not listening to people who know their jobs is what usually > leads to disaster. Perhaps this is back to your point about not wanting to > focus on the mundane. ... and... ? I can't remember what your example was. Oh yes, some minor geek fixing some fault, wasn't it? Well, I'd expect him to. I'm really not sure where this is going. > > > >"Listening" has > > > >become a very underrated tool. Doing' it when doesn't matter may not > > > >nearly as critical as listening when there's new information that > > > > could get you killed if you ignore it. When animals sense danger, > > > > the forest becomes quiet. Maybe the biggest is roaring, but the > > > > others are listening as an important part of their survival. But > > > > what do they know, eh? > > > > > > > >-- Ife > > > > > > I just don't think that's relevant to warfare. Hunting, maybe. > > > > > > > > >I was talking about being the hunted, though the hunter might want to > > >listen as well. Maybe we have different concepts of what "warfare" > > >involves? > > > > > >-- Ife > > > > In the present discussion, I was thinking about organised warfare, > > between groups of people, such as we (usually) saw on Xena. Not > > geurilla or commando-style warfare (though the Amazons may have > > approached that at times), but even then, I think, having one person in > > command is important. > > > > cf Endgame, for example.>> > > Regardless of what type it is, would you agree that the combatants are > usually simultaneously hunters and the hunted? I would not want to be > among any group -- especially in war -- where they didn't listen to what > was going on around them. If I were the leader, I'd want as many ears > checking things out as possible, letting me know what they heard, so I > could incorporate that into my strategy if I chose. I would not expect > them to tell me something they thought inconsequential, so I don't envision > a bunch of folks yammering just to hear themselves talk because I said I > wanted to know anything that could affect the success of our mission. A > boil on someone's foot could cause someone's death, if the injured person > was unable to "cover" a colleague as expected. But I'm getting back to the > "mundane" again. > > -- Ife Yes, but surely you're assuming in that statement that there *is* a leader of the group. Which is the point I was making. And the leader would want to know if someone had heard or observed something, yes, but he would not want to debate courses of action or listen to opinions. Not in the middle of the action. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Xena photo club wrappers Ah I really don't care about the wrappers, I just toss them. I put the photos in an acid free plastic holder anyway. So as far as I'm concerned don't spend the money on them unless of course you have bunches of them you want to get rid. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 23:23:47 EDT From: Sekhmet209@aol.com Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: [Flawless] Re: Lucy Live Chat TODAY! [cc'd to various lists for informational purposes only] In a message dated 8/28/03 6:24:49 PM, renee30152@yahoo.com writes: >I have a quick update for everyone. The following is >the complete >info available right now. Lucy Lawless will be >participating in an >online chat on September 2nd. The chat will be held at >4pm EDT and >can be accessed at http://talk.usatoday.com. Also, >Season 2 of Xena >will be released on DVD the same day. You can join the >official >online team by going to >http://www.m80teams.com/?QzoyOTE6MjU5MjA3 >and signing up. You may even win the Season 2 release. What you meant to say, of course, is that YOU may win the Season 2 release if we all sign up at the URL you've provided-- it's a pyramid scheme! In other words, if everyone were to use http://www.m80teams.com/?QzoyOTE6Mjc3ODg2 (with my spankin' new code at the end instead of yours), maybe _I_ could win the season 2 release (which would be nice because I can't afford to buy the thing), but people who sign up late don't have a chance at the prize at all, because there won't be any "recruits" left for them to suck onto their scorecard for the contest, and there's no "straight" promo contest for the DVDs that they can enter. So, in effect, the contest is no contest at all for the majority of fans, and unless there's some m80 member in particular to whom they want to try to "give" a season 2 DVD set, they should sign up at http://www.m80teams.com/register/xena/index.html?xena (without anybody's code number), or not bother to sign up at all, since the whole thing appears to be a marketing ploy. But thanks for the chat info... - --Sekhmet ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #252 **************************************