From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #232 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, August 16 2003 Volume 03 : Number 232 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade (was Re: chakram-refug... [IfeRa] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227 [IfeRae@aol.co] Re: [chakram-refugees] ITADITH ["Jackie M. Young" ] [chakram-refugees] Lucy Lawless Interviews [NZJester ] Re: [chakram-refugees] ITADITH [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade ["S. Wilson" ] [chakram-refugees] OT: DVDs ["Jackie M. Young" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:39:53 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade (was Re: chakram-refug... In a message dated 8/14/2003 2:33:20 PM Central Daylight Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: > Ah! Adventures in the Sin Trade - WOW. I know some people don't like these > eps, but I do, they're some of my faves, especially the beginning of the > first one, where we get a private trip through Xena's grief. I remember > when I watched that it felt so deeply personal and private that it kind of > made me uncomfortable to be seeing it, and I felt truly horrible for her. > It struck a nerve and deep one at that.>> Oh, excellent way of describing what I felt too -- "deeply personal and private." Lucy said she wasn't in a real good place emotionally at the time, and of course the weather was bad. But she said one of the hardest parts was doing those eps by herself, without Renee. I've always thought missing ROC was mixed in there too. It really got to me. But it wasn't > > just her grief - it was the way she was grieving. None of us had ever seen > Xena that way - and without the backstory, I really thought she'd come > totally unravelled and that was even more alarming. Really sucked me in, > made me forget it was a TV show. I think it's really one of the gems of the > entire series. >> You mean the backstory we saw in "Sin Trade"? By "unravelled," do you mean the shaman ritual stuff? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 01:39:55 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227 In a message dated 8/14/2003 1:51:33 PM Central Daylight Time, mab961@satx.rr.com writes: > Someone in another post had talked about Xena's stoic behavior -- > keeping all emotions out.... I'm a trekkie from w-a-y back and > something I have always made mental comparisons to is Spock. He had the > emotions under the surface, but constantly struggled to keep them under > control or out of sight. I see Xena in a similar vein. Spock did it > because of [his] cultural norms and I think Xena did it for survival. A > person in her line of work would certainly need to present a no > nonsense, non-emotional persona. We see that she can maintain that > except when she experiences the loss of a very close loved one.>> Hmmm. While I agree with you on one level, I always saw Xena as a very emotional person, whose "cold" exterior was so intimidating precisely because the enemy could sense the powerful emotions underneath. It's like they knew she cared, so was willing to stay in a fight to the end. I also thought it was her way of channeling the forces inside her which had allowed to erupt in the past in a destructive way. I guess I'm saying I saw the stoic aspect as more than part of her warrior persona, that she had strong emotions which radiated despite her exterior calm and which she kept a lid on more for personal reasons than concern about appearing "weak" to opponents. > > >> Whew - I think I've typed a whole months worth of my comments in one > post! >> > > LOL! Keep working on it. You may surprise yourself and do a year's worth everytime you post, like some of the rest of us. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:45:04 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] ITADITH On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:10:50 EDT, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >It's not real to me that Xena (if she's human) would not at some time >feel helpless -- especially since she took such personal responsibility >for, and believed she could do something about, nearly everything she >touched. - --That's true, but X was *very* experienced in success and failure of all sorts and I expect by now would know just what she could and couldn't reasonably do. Her first reaction to G's injury ("I've done all I can do for her; it's up to G now") is more of a realistic X response than the crying and screaming we witnessed later on. X acknowledged early on that G could die; if she had truly done all she could do for G, she would've been more resigned at her death than incredulous, IMO. I would more believe something like G's protesting and silent weeping when X died in FIN, but not all those histrionics from X in ITADITH which were more LL than X, IMO. > Did you feel the same way later when Xena screamed at Solan's death? Do >you think she should've shown more restraint then too? - --I felt a little bit the same about her reaction to Solan's death, especially since she hardly knew the lad. IMO, she was crying and wailing more because of the time she _could've_ had with him, than the actual time she had with him that was now lost. And yeah, I think a little more restraint could've been shown then, too. But I also took into account the fact that there was this mother-child bond that was tragic for her to sever when she gave him away as a baby. I don't believe I saw that in her relationship with G, mostly because I saw them as close friends, but not necessarily partners. >Apparently, this ep was to show us how much Gabs had gotten to Xena. Is >it that you believe Xena wouldn't have felt so much for Gabrielle that >this would be the first time we see Xena "lose it" like that? I guess >I'm trying to understand if it's Xena's "losing it" over Gabrielle that >you don't believe or Xena's ever "losing it" like that for any reason. - --At this stage of the game, the two of them have been together for about a year or less. I'd say that was a little *early* for X to be so deeply affected. I had a best friend in HS for 3 yrs. and we were very close, but I don't think either of us would've carried on that way about each other if we were in the same situation. So yeah, I didn't think what we saw on-screen was enough justification for X's reaction. I also thought that in general, X would've been more reserved or realistic in her reaction at that point. X & G hadn't been through all the "traumatic" experiences they would experience later on in S2, S3, etc., so I felt it was still early days for such an extreme (and unbelievable) performance. After all, death _was_ X's calling.....;=/ Just MO, - --Jackie (who's glad Thel agrees with her _some_times ;P ) ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * "Feel the fear and do it anyway." --Lucy Lawless, * * Evening Post, 7/4/98 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. 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Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:32:37 +1200 From: NZJester Subject: [chakram-refugees] Lucy Lawless Interviews I have done some Video caps of some recent Lucy Lawless Interviews They are kindly hosted by Xena2010 who has advertised these already on some lists I did them in a very Low res Real media format optimized for 56K modems and also in 320 * 200 res AVI files AVI are using the DivX 5.0.3 video codec & Mpeg3 Audio codec Lucy Lawless Interview on Edwards At Large August 9, 2003 http://www.geocities.com/xena2011/Lucy-EdwardsInterview/index.html Lucy Lawless & Rob Tapert Interview on NZ TV 3 News regarding Boogeyman August 13, 2003 http://www.geocities.com/xena2011/LucyRob-Tv3newsinterview/index.html Lucy Lawless Interview on Holmes on TV One August 14, 2003 http://www.geocities.com/xena2011/Holmes/index.html - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Catch ya later NZJester - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:30:44 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade (was Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227) On Friday 15 August 2003 07:39, S. Wilson wrote: > Ah! Adventures in the Sin Trade - WOW. I know some people don't like these > eps, but I do, they're some of my faves, especially the beginning of the > first one, where we get a private trip through Xena's grief. I remember > when I watched that it felt so deeply personal and private that it kind of > made me uncomfortable to be seeing it, and I felt truly horrible for her. > It struck a nerve and deep one at that. It really got to me. But it wasn't > just her grief - it was the way she was grieving. None of us had ever seen > Xena that way - and without the backstory, I really thought she'd come > totally unravelled and that was even more alarming. Really sucked me in, > made me forget it was a TV show. I think it's really one of the gems of the > entire series. > > Steph. > (and it *definitely* didn't make Xena a wimp) My favourite of the entire series, I think. Partly because it was so different from all that had come before, partly because of the atmosphere that T J Scott created, partly because of the extraordinary air of desperation that Lucy managed to conjure up. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:14:25 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order On Friday 15 August 2003 08:54, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/03 3:38:04 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << Errm yes, it was apparent that you were going through them in sequence. > Lfe needs a quick brush-up on her general knowledge of Xena episodes. ;) > > That may well be. Or of course it may be that cr couldn't resist the chance to score a cheap shot off lfe..... ;) > The other problem is that I can't keep up with thread > sequences. I remembered Cheryl mentioning some of her favorite moments in > ... um ... you know. Next thing it seemed we were discussing the Herc > trilogy, then Debt, then "Doctor," among other eps. Somehow "wimpy" got in > there (perhaps from me, since I recall my saying something about Xena's > "batting eye syndrome" with Herc), so we went off on that tangent. Then > there were some eps brought up on another list. Flawless, I think. I have been known to confuse lists, too. > Lately I've gotten used to Cheryl starting things, so I figured my > confusion was her fault. (Just because I avoid blame -- as opposed to > "responsibility" -- where Xena's involved, doesn't mean I can't assign it > here. Heh.) You probably have some system for organizing these things. > Me? It's too much! Too much! > > -- Ife Yeah, I have an infallible system. Blame it all on lfe. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:42:20 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] ITADITH On Friday 15 August 2003 18:45, Jackie M. Young wrote: (snips) > > > Did you feel the same way later when Xena screamed at Solan's death? Do > >you think she should've shown more restraint then too? > > --I felt a little bit the same about her reaction to Solan's death, > especially since she hardly knew the lad. IMO, she was crying and wailing > more because of the time she _could've_ had with him, than the actual time > she had with him that was now lost. > > And yeah, I think a little more restraint could've been shown then, too. > But I also took into account the fact that there was this mother-child > bond that was tragic for her to sever when she gave him away as a baby. I could believe that. She'd just made his acquaintance again and (somewhat reluctantly) agreed to let him travel with her.... it wasn't only her son who died, it was the prospect of getting to know him, and the feeling she must have had that now she would never be able to tell him. That feeling of missed opportunities, and of guilt that now she could never make it up to him for her absence. > I > don't believe I saw that in her relationship with G, mostly because I saw > them as close friends, but not necessarily partners. Me too (obviously ;) > >Apparently, this ep was to show us how much Gabs had gotten to Xena. Is > >it that you believe Xena wouldn't have felt so much for Gabrielle that > >this would be the first time we see Xena "lose it" like that? I guess > >I'm trying to understand if it's Xena's "losing it" over Gabrielle that > >you don't believe or Xena's ever "losing it" like that for any reason. > > --At this stage of the game, the two of them have been together for about > a year or less. I'd say that was a little *early* for X to be so deeply > affected. I had a best friend in HS for 3 yrs. and we were very close, > but I don't think either of us would've carried on that way about each > other if we were in the same situation. So yeah, I didn't think what we > saw on-screen was enough justification for X's reaction. > > I also thought that in general, X would've been more reserved or realistic > in her reaction at that point. X & G hadn't been through all the > "traumatic" experiences they would experience later on in S2, S3, etc., > so I felt it was still early days for such an extreme (and unbelievable) > performance. After all, death _was_ X's calling.....;=/ > > > Just MO, > --Jackie (who's glad Thel agrees with her _some_times ;P ) You are? I'm flattered. I had imagined that my agreement was usually the equivalent of being endorsed by Osama bin Laden... ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:24:00 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade I said: >It really got to me. But it wasn't > > > > just her grief - it was the way she was grieving. None of us had ever seen > > Xena that way - and without the backstory, I really thought she'd come > > totally unravelled and that was even more alarming. Really sucked me in, > > made me forget it was a TV show. I think it's really one of the gems of > the > > entire series. >> Then Ife said: >You mean the backstory we saw in "Sin Trade"? By "unravelled," do you mean >the shaman ritual stuff? > >-- Ife The backstory, yes, I think (if I'm understanding you). Why she was hunting elk, dancing around strangely, picking shrooms, hiding out in caves, and talking to herself. "Unravelled" as in no longer dwelling in reality. That's just the opening moments. Later when she killed the horse and drank its blood - although confusing at first and really gross - she was dressed in tribal garb and seemed to be "offering" the blood up, or in a certain direction, or something, so I started to assume this was all part of a rite and Xena really hadn't lost it. That didn't lessen the impact of the first few scenes, though. The grief in those first few scenes was difficult to watch. Compared with the grief she showed in ITADITH, there are stark differences in how she's grieving and how I reacted. S. ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:42:00 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade In a message dated 8/15/03 7:24:37 AM Central Daylight Time, sswilso@uark.edu writes: << The backstory, yes, I think (if I'm understanding you). Why she was hunting elk, dancing around strangely, picking shrooms, hiding out in caves, and talking to herself.>> LOL! Now that you put it like that, it was kind of weird. Guess I'd gotten so used to weird on XWP that I hadn't thought of just how odd it was. < "Unravelled" as in no longer dwelling in reality. >> Hmm, actually that is a great way of putting what was happening in "reality." She was moving into a spirit world. I believe you meant unintentionally doing that, as opposed to knowing exactly what she was doing. Still, even she said she was going to a place she'd never want to visit again. We later see all the dangers and painful memories associated with that realm. So the fact that she would choose to plunge in doesn't take away from how desperate she was (initially hinted at in her exchange with Hades). Her life with Gabrielle had unraveled. The future she had begun to envision had unraveled. I think in the cave she says something like "I've lost my center." < That's just the opening moments. Later when she killed the horse and drank its blood - although confusing at first and really gross - she was dressed in tribal garb and seemed to be "offering" the blood up, or in a certain direction, or something, so I started to assume this was all part of a rite and Xena really hadn't lost it. That didn't lessen the impact of the first few scenes, though. The grief in those first few scenes was difficult to watch. Compared with the grief she showed in ITADITH, there are stark differences in how she's grieving and how I reacted. >> That's why I think "unravelled" is so perfect. Like you, I felt a certain "madness." In "Doctor," Gabs was still there, albeit possibly dead. Xena was still fighting to bring her back. She was surrounded by people who, though doubtful, also wished Gabs would live. Xena's reaction was based on a "reality" we could see and understand. Similar thing with Solan's death. In ST, I felt a profoundly bleak loneliness -- the realization that Gabs was gone, even if Xena would find a way to be with her. In the beginning, I felt she was going through some ritual, personal or otherwise, to reconcile her feelings, but I wasn't reassured by the fact that she was doing it by herself in some remote place that wasn't tied to anything I was aware of ("unreal"). Kind of like her wailing on that mountain at the beginning of Bitter Suite. Yes, that opening scene in ST was phenomenal in ways beyond Xena's other expressions of grief. Unraveling on all levels -- emotional, physical, mental, spiritual -- and so powerful precisely because Xena was both driven to such an extreme and then willingly embraced it. I love it! Thanks! Lucy managed to convey so much of the emotional texture and context we'd see the backstory for later. We have an actress (Greek, as it happens) on the list who's great at giving insights into performances like that. Sophia? Where the heck are you? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:42:01 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order In a message dated 8/15/03 6:22:46 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << Yeah, I have an infallible system. Blame it all on lfe. ;) >> "Ife" and "infallible" in the same context? Bwahahahaha! No wonder you're always in trouble. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:42:04 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] ITADITH In a message dated 8/15/03 1:45:42 AM Central Daylight Time, jyoung@lava.net writes: << X was *very* experienced in success and failure of all sorts and I expect by now would know just what she could and couldn't reasonably do. >> Hmm, sorry, I just do't see people having such certainty when it comes to emotions. << Her first reaction to G's injury ("I've done all I can do for her; it's up to G now") is more of a realistic X response than the crying and screaming we witnessed later on. X acknowledged early on that G could die; if she had truly done all she could do for G, she would've been more resigned at her death than incredulous, IMO. >> What's characteristic to me is Xena's refusal to give up, combined with the personal interest that often motivated her decision to give something her all. The "reality" is that one person's idea of "it's over" is not the same as someone else's. Take modern-day CPR. There are many cases of one rescuer who refuse to give up on a person with no pulse, even when their colleagues believe the effort is useless. They may have no more experience than the others, yet for some reason they keep at it and actually save the person. Don't forget, Xena did a Caesarian (hmmm) Section to save both Ephiny and her baby, when others might've accepted losing one of them. Xena believed Gabrielle was "still in there" and needed to fight to come back. Yes, that was based as much on her need to believe that, same as with anyone who tries what others believe to be impossible. But I think her "it's up to G now" was also based on her experience with Gabrielle's injuries. She did what she thought was "logical," in terms of giving Gabrielle air, shaking her, maybe even pounding her chest. I'm sure we'll discover that many "primitive" societies used herbs or physical methods that are the basis for what we do today. Somebody had to be the first to try it, without proof that it would work. Xena was usually that person in XWP, the one who did not "accept defeat." To me, it was more characteristic that she try "too long," than that she give up "too soon." << I would more believe something like G's protesting and silent weeping when X died in FIN, but not all those histrionics from X in ITADITH which were more LL than X, IMO. >> As someone else said, Lucy expressed concern about Xena's letting go like that. It was ROC and others who convinced her not to "protect" the character from doing something so human. Seems she was glad she did. << --I felt a little bit the same about her reaction to Solan's death, especially since she hardly knew the lad. IMO, she was crying and wailing more because of the time she _could've_ had with him, than the actual time she had with him that was now lost. >> Funny thing is, I found that scene too "stilted" for some reason, even though few would argue that a mother might react that way at the death of a child. I believed the emotion because I was predisposed to accept it as appropriate (as I would have her grieving over Lyceus at the point when he died). I believed the emotion in "Doctor" was appropriate because Lucy convinced me it was. I wasn't a big Gab fan at that point, so didn't have any particular investment in "Xena's *supposed* to feel that way" about someone I couldn't see much use for myself. :-) I simply didn't see it as "uncharacteristic" in terms of all the reasons I mention above. << And yeah, I think a little more restraint could've been shown then, too. But I also took into account the fact that there was this mother-child bond that was tragic for her to sever when she gave him away as a baby. I don't believe I saw that in her relationship with G, mostly because I saw them as close friends, but not necessarily partners.>> Okay, I think that answers my question. I think you're saying that, in general, people should always be able to restrain their emotions, and that the least restraint should be reserved for certain people. BTW, the subtext hadn't entered my mind. I felt G had come to mean and represent a lot to Xena, and was worth every conceivable effort to save. Frankly, I thought Xena might've been as committed to saving Ephiny if something had gone wrong -- "Come on, Ephiny, fight!" The main difference might've been that she yelled, "Don't you die on me!" rather than "Don't you leave me!" with a bit less desperation. <<--At this stage of the game, the two of them have been together for about a year or less. I'd say that was a little *early* for X to be so deeply affected. I had a best friend in HS for 3 yrs. and we were very close, but I don't think either of us would've carried on that way about each other if we were in the same situation. So yeah, I didn't think what we saw on-screen was enough justification for X's reaction. >> Ah, so length of the relationship is also part of your equation for appropriate response. <> In a way, that makes it even more credible for me -- that this was the first "test" of Xena's response to such a situation with Gabrielle, the first experience of how deeply she might feel once she'd begun allowing others in her heart again. I do believe she was surprised, just as she was surprised at her relief and joy when Gabs "came back." << Just MO, --Jackie (who's glad Thel agrees with her _some_times ;P )>> LOL! I won't comment on what that might mean. Anyway, I appreciate your response. It helps me understand how your criteria for all this differ from mine. I think of myself as fairly "stoic" and not particularly comfortable with "touchy feely" stuff. It sometimes surprises me when I end up arguing for the "rightness" of Xena's emotions in a situation like "Doctor," even though I think I have perfectly "logical" reasons based on Xena's fundamental characteristics -- as I'm sure you do too for feeling those emotions weren't appropriate. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 13:15:55 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order On Saturday 16 August 2003 09:42, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/15/03 6:22:46 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << Yeah, I have an infallible system. Blame it all on lfe. ;) >> > > "Ife" and "infallible" in the same context? Bwahahahaha! No wonder you're > always in trouble. > > -- Ife Precisely! What I said. All lfe's fault. ;) cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 17:11:04 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: [chakram-refugees] OT: DVDs This is from my friend Katsu in Japan (who's on this list). Since people have been asking questions about DVDs, this is pretty much THE comprehensive FAQ on them, and more. ;) It does show that they are far less *reliable*/compatible than we have been led to believe.....;P *sigh* http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.41 - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #232 **************************************