From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #231 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Friday, August 15 2003 Volume 03 : Number 231 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order [cr ] [chakram-refugees] Stoic Xena [cande@sunlink.net] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227 ["Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order Errm yes, it was apparent that you were going through them in sequence. Lfe needs a quick brush-up on her general knowledge of Xena episodes. ;) cr On Thursday 14 August 2003 01:17, cande@sunlink.net wrote: > It's now just as I watch them. I am working my way through season 2 DVDs. > Season 1 was being watched as I was watching season 6 hence no reviews. I > may go back to season 1 at a later date. > > CherylA > > > From: IfeRae@aol.com > Did I miss an explanation about how you're coming up with these eps? Just > picking favorites at random? Enjoying the freedom from having to do them > in sequence? Trying to wiggle out of starting the reviews over again? > > I'm not complaining, just curious. > > - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:37:08 -0400 (EDT) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: [chakram-refugees] Stoic Xena You know when stoic people lose it is a surprise. My father was very stoic person - he just didn't show his emotions very much. Some years ago my mother got very ill and he had to take her to the emergency room and he was so upset he actually was crying. So was he suddenly a wimp? No he loved her and he got upset that she was ill. I was touched by the fact that the stoic facade did not stand up. He showed what he felt and I had better understanding of who he was. So it was with Xena. I like the fact that when her best friend died she didn't just stand back peer down at her and say "Uhm interesting convulsion. I'll miss the gal, too bad." In my opinion that would have certainly been out of character. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:04:51 -0500 From: "Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227 IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/12/03 8:36:07 AM Central Daylight Time, > cande@sunlink.net writes: > > << From: Cheryl LaScola > "Also, I happen to think this was LL's finest 3 minutes of acting. I was > totally swept away with the emotion Xena was feeling and inability to > give up was so real to me." > > I agree absolutely. Lucy was wonderful as grief and raged warred in her. > > CherylA Like usual, all of you are so much more eloquent in your wording than I could be. My general thoughts of, "that was a powerful scene" or "Wow, that really got to me", are so woefully inadequate to explain how a scene impacts me. > >> > > Me too! I remember the promos that said something like "see Lucy Lawless as > you've never seen her before." I figured this was the usual hype until I saw > the ep. On Coffee Talk, Lucy and Renee talk about how the director made them > do the resuscitation scene over and over, until both of them felt a little > desperate -- Lucy to revive Gabrielle, and ROC to finally be revived -- which also > led to some genuine surprise and relief. Even the usually playfully > dismissive Lucy seemed moved when she watched it. I seem to recall some article about the filming of the ep that said LL was concerned about allowing Xena to come so unraveled in the scene and ROC had told her to go for it. > > Given Lucy's understated, somber, stoic portrayal up to that point, I was > stunned when she "let go" as she did. I also knew next to nothing about her as a > person or actress. I admired the risks she'd already taken with Xena, in > terms of creating such an unself-consciously dark and physical character, but > frankly hadn't expected the emotional depth revealed in "Doctor." Later, of > course, I found out that Lucy believes in taking risks and is quite capable of > tapping into a wide range of emotions. Whenever I think of LL portraying Xena's angish/sorrow regarding the loss of a loved one, these three eps come to mind: ITADITH - with the scene we've been discussing here MI - when Solan dies AITST - when she wails her loss of Gabrielle I know there are *lots* of other examples, but these three hit me with the full impact that they did on my first viewing. Someone in another post had talked about Xena's stoic behavior -- keeping all emotions out.... I'm a trekkie from w-a-y back and something I have always made mental comparisons to is Spock. He had the emotions under the surface, but constantly struggled to keep them under control or out of sight. I see Xena in a similar vein. Spock did it because of [his] cultural norms and I think Xena did it for survival. A person in her line of work would certainly need to present a no nonsense, non-emotional persona. We see that she can maintain that except when she experiences the loss of a very close loved one. Whew - I think I've typed a whole months worth of my comments in one post! Mark ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:39:55 -0500 From: "S. Wilson" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Re: Adventures in the Sin Trade (was Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #227) At 02:04 PM 8/14/2003 -0500, Mark B. wrote: >Whenever I think of LL portraying Xena's angish/sorrow regarding the loss >of a loved one, these three eps come to mind: > ITADITH - with the scene we've been discussing here > MI - when Solan dies > AITST - when she wails her loss of Gabrielle > >I know there are *lots* of other examples, but these three hit me with the >full impact that they did on my first viewing. Ah! Adventures in the Sin Trade - WOW. I know some people don't like these eps, but I do, they're some of my faves, especially the beginning of the first one, where we get a private trip through Xena's grief. I remember when I watched that it felt so deeply personal and private that it kind of made me uncomfortable to be seeing it, and I felt truly horrible for her. It struck a nerve and deep one at that. It really got to me. But it wasn't just her grief - it was the way she was grieving. None of us had ever seen Xena that way - and without the backstory, I really thought she'd come totally unravelled and that was even more alarming. Really sucked me in, made me forget it was a TV show. I think it's really one of the gems of the entire series. Steph. (and it *definitely* didn't make Xena a wimp) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:54:57 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena episode order In a message dated 8/14/03 3:38:04 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << Errm yes, it was apparent that you were going through them in sequence. Lfe needs a quick brush-up on her general knowledge of Xena episodes. ;) >> That may well be. The other problem is that I can't keep up with thread sequences. I remembered Cheryl mentioning some of her favorite moments in ... um ... you know. Next thing it seemed we were discussing the Herc trilogy, then Debt, then "Doctor," among other eps. Somehow "wimpy" got in there (perhaps from me, since I recall my saying something about Xena's "batting eye syndrome" with Herc), so we went off on that tangent. Then there were some eps brought up on another list. Lately I've gotten used to Cheryl starting things, so I figured my confusion was her fault. (Just because I avoid blame -- as opposed to "responsibility" - -- where Xena's involved, doesn't mean I can't assign it here. Heh.) You probably have some system for organizing these things. Me? It's too much! Too much! - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #231 **************************************