From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #222 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Wednesday, August 6 2003 Volume 03 : Number 222 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 [IfeRae@aol.co] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny [IfeRae@aol.com] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 [IfeRae@aol.co] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy ["Creation (Sharon Delaney)" <] Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy [] Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 ["H.J.J. Hewit] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:57:47 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 In a message dated 8/4/2003 6:02:30 PM Central Daylight Time, cande@sunlink.net writes: > Actually the historic Caesar was hunting pirates. The pirates of the > Mediterranean were a real problem for Roman shipping and Caesar was out to > stop them. So actually he doing something "worthy" protection Roman > commerce. He was however not doing it just to serve Rome but to build his > reputation but he was doing something that had to done. Xena was criminal > and pirates when caught usually came to a bad end. > > This episode was based on true incident. Caeser as a young man was captured > by pirates and was ransomed. While captured he became close friends with > the pirate captain. When released he hunted that captain down and crucified > him. Caesar was not nice in Xena or in real life. > I didn't realize that. Wow, now this is some history I like! CR hates Caesar and blames him for Xena's rampages. I guess I'll give cr the benefit of acknowledging that Caesar probably is responsible for Xena's own little "Crucify them all" thing in Corinth. Heck, I'll credit Caesar with any of Xena's views on or feelings about crucifixions. However, your post also underscores my point about "evil" being in the eye of the beholder. Some of the same Romans who might've thanked Xena for helping get rid of Caesar in "Ides" probably would've thought she got what she deserved when Caesar crucified her that first time when she was pirating. Meanwhile, we're sympathetic mainly because she's ... Xena. :-) - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 01:57:48 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy In a message dated 8/4/2003 5:58:39 PM Central Daylight Time, outback@creationent.com writes: > We had nothing to do > with the commentaries being done. It was strictly Panzer-Davis. > Unfortunately, we're not the official resource when it comes to other > company's products. But I'm trying my best to find out. >> Okay, I finally "get" it now. Boy, it seems weird thinking of some "stranger" handling interviews/commentaries of LL and ROC for fan products. ;-) Maybe that's why I couldn't quite wrap my mind around there not being a connection with Creation. > I suspect the first season was released without the input of Lucy, Renee > and Rob because no one knew how well they would sell. If they sold well, > Panzer-Davis would have more money to spend on future releases. Ergo we > have commentaries on 3 of the season two eps and they're going back and > re-releasing season one with commentaries on 3 of the eps -- as well as > planning for the same on season 4 and 5.>> Well, they'd better figure some way to offer the season 1 commentaries solo, or they may have some irate mail coming their way from those of us who already have that set. Perhaps we should start a petition? > > Hopefully, as I believe, the running commentaries will be on all the sets > and not exclusive to any particular outlet. The Anchor Bay ad says "audio > and video commentary" and Renee mentioned to me doing an on-camera > interview. I don't know if both the audio and video commentaries will be > included on all sets. But, as I said, I'll keep working on it. > That makes me feel a little better. Looks like Creation's between a rock and a hard place like the rest of us on this. Thanks again. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:34:36 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 On Tuesday 05 August 2003 11:11, Cheryl Ande wrote: > This episode was based on true incident. Caeser as a young man was > captured by pirates and was ransomed. While captured he became close > friends with the pirate captain. When released he hunted that captain down > and crucified him. Caesar was not nice in Xena or in real life. > > CherylA Yes, I heard about the pirate incident, but not that he had become friends with the captain. As you say, he was not a nice man. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:21:23 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny On Tuesday 05 August 2003 10:00, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/4/03 5:04:16 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz > writes: > > On Monday 04 August 2003 16:27, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > Xena also allows Najara to fool her, again because > > Xena wanted so badly to save Gabrielle from that vision. > > Umm, that sentence can be read two ways - with the emphasis on 'allows' > (i.e. > Xena deliberately let herself be conned by Najara), or the emphasis on > 'fool' > (i.e. Xena truly was conned). I think you meant the first way - that > Xena deliberately overlooked any suspicions she may have had of the flaky > one. But there is a difference - in the case of Caesar and Alti, it was > Xena's ambition that overrode her suspicions; in the case of Najara, it was > her altruistic feelings for Gabby. >> > > Yes, I meant Xena put misgivings aside that she might've paid more > attention to under different circumstances. > > > The only person I can think of who truly fooled Xena was Gabrielle -- > > possibly because Xena didn't want anything selfish or power-oriented > > from Gabrielle. It was usually because she took Gabrielle for granted or > > underestimated her independence and will (e.g., the Titans, Hope, > > Gurkhan). > > When you say 'fooled' Xena, how d'you mean? On certain specific > occasions? > > Actually, in Gabs' Hope, I think maybe Xena wanted to believe that Gabby > had > got rid of Hope anyway. >> > > "Fooled" in that she sometimes acted in a way Xena didn't expect. Mind > you, I do think Xena tended to idealize and underestimate Gabs in a way > that left Xena off-guard. With baby Hope, I think Xena expected Gabs to > defer to her greater experience, even though she obviously doubted Gabs' > willingness to allow Hope to be killed. Gabs' story of how Hope suddenly > turned on her (which I always thought sounded suspiciously like what she > might have thought about Xena) was a very convenient lie that fed into > Xena's suspicions about Hope, explained Gabs' sudden change of heart, and > didn't require producing a body. Xena had earlier said Gabs was getting > "pretty good" at eluding her. I believe Xena truly didn't realize just how > good Gabs was. Similarly, Xena knew Gabs' strong feelings in "Gurkhan," > yet never expected Gabs to try to beat the WP at her own game. > > > I think M'Lila took responsibility for > > rescuing/saving Xena, just as Xena did later for her own complicity. I > > simply meant that I don't hold Caear entirely responsible either. > > M'Lila and Xena chose not to walk away from events because of what was > > inside them. Ceaser didn't force M'Lila to be courageous and > > altruistic, any more than he forced Xena to be greedy, self-delusional > > and vengeful. > > True. Well, partly true, we didn't see Xena being vengeful until > *after* that episode, and one could argue that Caesar taught her that. >> > > Um, she declares her war on the world in that ep, as she's slitting a > soldier's throat right after M'Lila gets killed -- "tonight a new Xena is > born" committed to death. Yes, but this is after Caesar crucifies her and his men kill M'Lila. I think we can put the birth of EvilXena (insofar as it was caused by anything external to Xena's own nature) squarely down to Caesar. > << In fact, on this occasion, Xena wasn't capable of walking away, M'Lila > had to > carry her. M'Lila could have walked away, but she didn't. If there's > any hero in this episode, she's it. >> > > I agree about M'Lila. I meant Xena could've walked away from vengeance -- > maybe hobbled back home and focused on keeping Amphipolis safe without > conquering the whole world around Amphipois. No, not in this universe. ;) Xena was a wanted person, and Amphipolis was one of the first places Caesar would look. She had just escaped his vengeance, and killed three more of his soldiers - Caesar couldn't *afford* to let her get away with that. So she had to flee. If she'd popped up in charge of the Amphipolis Security Forces, it would just have brought Caesar's entire might down on Amphipolis. (snip) > Please forgive my snipping of your historical examples. It hurts my brain > too much to apply all that to this context. What I like about XWP is being > able to discuss events and people we all saw, even if through drastically > different lenses. OK, maybe I was getting too obscure. I was just trying to make a point that in some instances, I think, only one person (leader) could/would have done what was done; in other cases, if one person hadn't done it, another would have appeared to do it. Please excuse my snipping of your comments about leadership. I don't really have any comment to make. > Xena had many skills, but even she could lead only when others gave her the > power to do so or didn't decide to take it back. I can't determine degrees > (e.g., majorly or minorly) of responsibility in all that. There will always be grey areas, but I think the degree of responsibility is usually roughly apparent in any given case. > As a leader, she > accepted responsibility regardless of whether the occasion resulted in > "bad" or "good" outcomes. To her, that had nothing to do with anybody > else's responsibility for following her, even if I as an observer see the > responsibility as shared. I focus so much on her responsibility simply > because ... well ... she's Xena. Yet, further back, you said that followers were equally responsible for their actions. Or do you mean that, though the followers do share responsibility, you find Xena's more interesting? If so I agree. cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:56:25 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 On Tuesday 05 August 2003 17:57, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > > This episode was based on true incident. Caeser as a young man was > > captured by pirates and was ransomed. While captured he became close > > friends with the pirate captain. When released he hunted that captain > > down and crucified him. Caesar was not nice in Xena or in real life. > > I didn't realize that. Wow, now this is some history I like! Yes! I love it when they fit the story neatly into history. Similarly with 'When in Rome' for example. (And it's why OAAA so disconcerts me when it derails history right across all the tracks.... but I won't start that again :) > CR hates Caesar and blames him for Xena's rampages. I guess I'll give cr > the benefit of acknowledging that Caesar probably is responsible for Xena's > own little "Crucify them all" thing in Corinth. Heck, I'll credit Caesar > with any of Xena's views on or feelings about crucifixions. However, your > post also underscores my point about "evil" being in the eye of the > beholder. Some of the same Romans who might've thanked Xena for helping > get rid of Caesar in "Ides" probably would've thought she got what she > deserved when Caesar crucified her that first time when she was pirating. > Meanwhile, we're sympathetic mainly because she's ... Xena. :-) > > -- Ife Of *course*. I am blatantly and unashamedly prejudiced towards Xena. And against anyone who tries to hurt her. Well, except Ares. And Callisto. ;) Besides which, Caesar's haircut is so evil, I'd blame him on sight for everything from the decline of the Amazons to global warming..... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: cande@sunlink.net Subject: Re: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 - -------Original Message------- From: cr > > On Tuesday 05 August 2003 11:11, Cheryl Ande wrote: > This episode was based on true incident. Caeser as a young man was > captured by pirates and was ransomed. While captured he became close > friends with the pirate captain. When released he hunted that captain down > and crucified him. Caesar was not nice in Xena or in real life. > > CherylA Yes, I heard about the pirate incident, but not that he had become friends with the captain. As you say, he was not a nice man. cr > Actually I have heard that the captain treated Caesar as a son. Interestingly Caesar had an interesting reputation. There was Roman saying that he was a husband to every woman and a wife to every man. So if we are of a mind to speculate then we can draw more parallels between Destiny and history than we would normally. CherylA ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 08:32:32 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy >In a message dated 8/4/2003 5:58:39 PM Central Daylight Time, >outback@creationent.com writes: >> Panzer-Davis would have more money to spend on future releases. Ergo we >> have commentaries on 3 of the season two eps and they're going back and >> re-releasing season one with commentaries on 3 of the eps -- as well as >> planning for the same on season 4 and 5. > >Oh no, they're rereleasing Season 1?? So we have to buy it again to get a >few commentaries when we already spent $60?? Ugh! :( Do you know which >>eps on Season 2 (or 1) have commentaries? The commentaries are Lucy and >>Renee, correct? Season 1 Sins Of The Past -- Lucy, Renee Callisto -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Is There A Doctor -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Season II Return of Callisto -- Lucy, Renee A Day In The Life -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Destiny -- Rob > Anyway, it's interesting to note that Hercules Season 1 had commentaries >from Kevin Sorbo and Michael Hurst right off the bat, and it only came out >a few months after Xena Season 1...what's up with that? :( Maybe cuz the Xena ones sold well. Actually, I think the Herc ones came out quite a while after Panzer-Davis initially released the Xena ones. Remember P-D sold season one for some time before Anchor Bay did. But my memory isn't all that great when it comes to dates. Someone probably knows better >> Hopefully, as I believe, the running commentaries will be on all the sets >> and not exclusive to any particular outlet. The Anchor Bay ad says "audio >> and video commentary" and Renee mentioned to me doing an on-camera >> interview. I don't know if both the audio and video commentaries will be >> included on all sets. But, as I said, I'll keep working on it. > > Yeah, it seems like there's no "exclusive bonus disc" this time around, >all of them have the goodies? They at least should all have the running commentary. I'm still not sure about the taped interviews. >Which is a good thing...I'm glad I got the >version with the extra disc the first time (did anyone not get it with the >disc? It was also released without the bonus disc, wasn't it?) Yes. Only Best Buy, Suncoast and one other store, I forget which one, had the bonus disc with the director interviews. >cuz the >director commentaries were very interesting, although of course I like >audio commentaries *during* the actual episodes a bit better because then >they don't have to cut to a clip and back again to show you what the heck >they're talking about, etc., and you get the play-by-play details on it >all. I bet Lucy and Renee commentaries would especially rock because those >2 would have fun reminiscing. :) And I can just imagine Renee sharing some >deep acting insights. (Commentaries from the writers and directors would >also be appreciated...my fave part of the Buffy dvd's is the commentaries >from some of their excellent team of writers, as they know sooo much >about the characters/story arcs, etc., it's fascinating!) > >I can't wait till September!! :) (But is it Sept 2 or 9? Why does Best Buy >still say 9?) And I wish we knew which eps have the commentaries! > > > -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- Haven't a clue about the dates at all. Sharon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy Can anyone direct me to the BB site that shows a picture of the box?? Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:47:56 -0400 (EDT) From: cjlnh@webtv.net (Cheryl LaScola) Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena references.... Two tidbits: 1- Watching the Food Network's Best Of show today..... I was half paying attention but they were interviewing some nice old lady who had a catering biz in Whittier Ca. She apparently makes wedding cakes for many of Hollywood's elite. At the end of the interview she told a story about a request she had for a "high profile" order......which turned out to be for Lucy Lawless. The interviewer responded, "Lucy Lawless, the Warrior Princess?" She confirmed, yes. I think the name of the company was Fantasy Frostings (Whittier, Ca.). 2- In the trailer for Kathryn Morris' new TV series COLD CASE ( a CSI type investigator of old, closed murder cases), she is asked by someone, "You're a real CRUSADER aren't you?" I wonder if that was intentional. Now I liked Kathryn as an actress and all, but if she can get her own series, why can't Holywood give Lucy a juicy drama to sink her teeth into (big screen or small)? Gosh I miss her acting. Her natural abilty to communicate a mood or feeling with a simple look was amazing. I have to believe there are quality starring roles to match her talent and range. Oh well, Cross my fingers and keep hoping she will get another breakthrough role..... Cheryl ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 17:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy Just go to www.bestbuy.com, and type Xena into the search box at the top... -Sarah- On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 cjlnh@webtv.net wrote: > Can anyone direct me to the BB site that shows a picture of the box?? > > Cheryl > ========================================================= > This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with > "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. > Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. > ========================================================= ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:25:54 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy In a message dated 8/5/03 10:34:09 AM Central Daylight Time, outback@creationent.com writes: << >Well, they'd better figure some way to offer the season 1 commentaries solo, >or they may have some irate mail coming their way from those of us who >already >have that set. Perhaps we should start a petition? Not going to be released solo. I'm gonna hazard a guess that the video interviews may be included with season one as an incentive to buy it again. But that is just my guess. I haven't heard anything and I've now exhausted my sources. (Says Sharon as she starts saving her pennies ) >> So, if you want the running commentaries and interviews, you have to buy the whole set again. Boy, that sucks. Well, they'd better offer the bonus directors' interviews too, for those who missed that the first time around. I understand the desire to test the waters first -- to determine if it'll be worth the cost to have enhancements. What I don't understand is not having a contingency plan to package some of those enhancements separately when they're going to be offered after the first round of sales. It comes off as intentionally folks to buy multiple sets of the same thing. The sad part of all this is the potentially negative impact on sales projections. On one hand, they want to use pre-orders to gauge probable interest. On the other, they discourage trust in pre-ordering by habitually offering a better version or more format options (e.g., VHS vs. DVD) later on. True, those who pre-order are fairly certain they'll have the item, but it's worked out that the "early birds" generally pay more and have fewer choices than those who risk waiting. Meantime, there's all those unaccounted for folks who've learned it's better not to buy too soon. You'd think by now that the distributors would have a clue about projecting probable interest, without resorting to tactics that probably cause some consumers to walk away from the whole process. << Maybe a deluge of email inquiries to P-D and/or Anchor Bay would get an answer about the video interviews?? >> Well, I for one intend to write them. I don't want them blaming "lack of interest" on us fans, when much of the fault lies with the the distributors' own business practices. I realize now that you can't do much about that. Just blowing off a lil steam. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:25:53 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy In a message dated 8/5/03 10:35:06 AM Central Daylight Time, outback@creationent.com writes: << Season 1 Sins Of The Past -- Lucy, Renee Callisto -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Is There A Doctor -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Season II Return of Callisto -- Lucy, Renee A Day In The Life -- Lucy, Renee, Rob Destiny -- Rob >> Oooo, excellent ep choices. << They at least should all have the running commentary. I'm still not sure about the taped interviews. >> So this would be like the AFIN DC DVD, where you could choose to view the ep by itself or with the commentary running throughout? - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:25:57 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny In a message dated 8/5/03 2:40:13 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << Xena was a wanted person, and Amphipolis was one of the first places Caesar would look. She had just escaped his vengeance, and killed three more of his soldiers - Caesar couldn't *afford* to let her get away with that. So she had to flee. If she'd popped up in charge of the Amphipolis Security Forces, it would just have brought Caesar's entire might down on Amphipolis. >> All that could be true. I simply didn't see that expressed at all in Xena's motivation to embrace death and destruction. I heard much more focus on what she could do to others, than on any fears about what Caesar or anybody else might do to her -- with the former being part of her strategy for minimizing the latter. > Xena had many skills, but even she could lead only when others gave her the > power to do so or didn't decide to take it back. I can't determine degrees > (e.g., majorly or minorly) of responsibility in all that. There will always be grey areas, but I think the degree of responsibility is usually roughly apparent in any given case. >> LOL! If you've discovered a standard that everyone would agree with, I'd love to hear it. > As a leader, she > accepted responsibility regardless of whether the occasion resulted in > "bad" or "good" outcomes. To her, that had nothing to do with anybody > else's responsibility for following her, even if I as an observer see the > responsibility as shared. I focus so much on her responsibility simply > because ... well ... she's Xena. Yet, further back, you said that followers were equally responsible for their actions. Or do you mean that, though the followers do share responsibility, you find Xena's more interesting? If so I agree. >> Yes. She's more interesting to me as a character. Her essence is centered around self-responsibility, so I can evaluate her against her own standards. And because we have so much more information on her, I feel more comfortable (and can cite more "evidence" for) speculating about her motivations and responsibilities as an individual, as opposed to mobs or other characters. Indeed, that's probably why "public" figures/leaders receive so much scrutiny, so much of the credit or blame for events. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:25:55 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 In a message dated 8/5/03 2:50:47 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: << I am blatantly and unashamedly prejudiced towards Xena. And against anyone who tries to hurt her. Well, except Ares. And Callisto. ;) >> Oh? Why is that? Because you like them too (which is a good enough reason)? Or is there some other reason (like having a different moral relationship to Xena)? - - Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:38:11 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy >In a message dated 8/5/03 10:35:06 AM Central Daylight Time, >outback@creationent.com writes: > ><< > Season 1 > Sins Of The Past -- Lucy, Renee > Callisto -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > Is There A Doctor -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > > > Season II > Return of Callisto -- Lucy, Renee > A Day In The Life -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > Destiny -- Rob >> > >Oooo, excellent ep choices. > > ><< They at least should all have the running commentary. I'm still not sure > about the taped interviews. >> > >So this would be like the AFIN DC DVD, where you could choose to view the ep >by itself or with the commentary running throughout? > >-- Ife I would assume so. Sharon ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2 DVD Best Buy > Season 1 > Sins Of The Past -- Lucy, Renee > Callisto -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > Is There A Doctor -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > > > Season II > Return of Callisto -- Lucy, Renee > A Day In The Life -- Lucy, Renee, Rob > Destiny -- Rob Yay! :) What would be even cooler would be if they'd gotten *Hudson* to do commentary on the Callisto eps...oh well. > > They at least should all have the running commentary. I'm still not sure > about the taped interviews. Hmmm... -Sarah, aka the abbagirl- P.S. I wonder when Season 3 will come out? :) I think I heard (a long time ago) it'd be sometime early next yr? Like maybe April or something? I forget... P.P.S. Ya know, it's too bad they can't stick the Xena bloopers on these dvd's as extras, cuz they belong to Creation and all. :( ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:01:18 -0500 From: "H.J.J. Hewitt" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Re: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #219 >Caesar's haircut is so evil, I'd blame him on sight for >everything from the decline of the Amazons to global warming..... > >cr Aw, heck, cr, its style in the show was a neat-o replica of that on contemporary busts of Caesar, and you can hardly fault his doing what skillions of balding males do and have done to cover their ever-barer pates. The day well may come when even y-o-u . . . TEXena ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #222 **************************************