From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #217 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Saturday, August 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 217 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] DVDs in general ["H.J.J. Hewitt" ] Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny [cr ] Re: [chakram-refugees] DVDs in general ["Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVDs in general Cheryl wrote-- >I think perhaps we are being just a bit over critical. Xena 1 again was >filmed on 16mm film and it will be grainy. Season 2 looks better but we are >still going from an analog source to a digital, I believe. In 1995 when Xena >first aired no one knew DVDs were going to so popular and I doubt if TPTB even >thought much about a secondary market like VHS much less DVDs. Perhaps if >they had they would have dumped the 16mm film and used the 35mm. > >Anyway remember only God is perfect and She made the ardvark. And a very well designed creature it is for what She intended... pigging out on termites. As also are Her wonderfully scaly pangolins of Asia and giant anteaters of South America (the ones with the fabulous tails they can cover up with like a blanket). I'll countenance no aspersions being cast on animals of such delightful weirdity! TEXena, Gaia-devotee ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:01:08 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Eye Color change On Friday 01 August 2003 02:00, Brule31x63@aol.com wrote: > My mother had blonde hair and blue eyes until puberty. She had black > hairand brown eyes all the years I knew her. Every time I see an old photo > Icannot identify my own mother. It does happen. > > When I first wrote these comments back when the Callisto's Eyes controversy > raged in 1998, I found an article in an archive of the journal of the AMA. > Alas, the link is now dead but here is the part I saved from that article: > > "Results: Among whites (n=1359), the eye color of 3.8% to 8.6% of the > sample twins became 2 U or more darker or 2 U or more lighter during 3- to > 9-yearintervals between 6 years of age and adulthood (>18 years, <24 > years).Among identical (monozygotic) twin pairs, there was a high degree of > concordance in eye color (r=0.98 [P<.001]), while in fraternal (dizygotic) > twin pairs, the concordance was less pronounced (r=0.49) and decreased with > age (r=0.07). Among the sample of the mothers of twins, 9% had irides that > lightened by 2 U or more during the follow-up period. " > > It would not be impossible at all for Callisto's eyes to change from blue > to brown. > > Cleanthes Yow! YAXI almost solved. Mind you, I reckon Callisto's eyes went almost black when she was angry. *Very* striking in appearance. Whether blue-eyed could change that far I'm not sure but you seem to have come up with a reference that gets - well, as close to solving the problem as most explanations of things in the Xenaverse. Congratulations! cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 20:06:35 +1200 From: cr Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny On Friday 01 August 2003 09:16, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/03 3:38:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << I have this odd > concept of fairness or justice which makes me feel that, in any given > situation, the blame should be apportioned most to those who are most at > fault for creating it - and this is frequently someone other than Xena. > And > the credit should go to those who do most to fix things - which frequently > is > Xena. >> Now you are misapplying my general remark up there to a specific instance that *I* did not choose to apply it to - viz, Xena's encounter with Caesar in 'Destiny'. Maybe I was a bit ambiguous in my post, I don't know. > Um, okay. Let's see .... Xena was on a pirating mission when *she* > captured Caesar. She saves him from being killed because *she* senses he > may be worth more gold alive. *She* is drawn to him because of his > sterling qualities (which will later nearly get her killed). No, she's drawn to him because of his self-confidence and arrogance. Not sterling qualities, IMO. What later nearly gets her killed is his treachery and deception. Maybe pardonable in the circumstances if you want to take his side, but still not what one normally calls 'stirling qualities'. Of course all this rather calls Xena's judgement into question for sparing the wretch in the first place. > *She* tries > to seduce him, summons him to her bed for activity he wasn't in too good of > a position to refuse (which might've been called rape if he'd been a > woman), and offers to partner up with him for the noble purpose of ruling > the world. *She* completely ignores the reservations M'Lila and others > have about Caesar. Her own arrogance and greed cause her to be surprised > because he does exactly what she hoped to do at his side -- plunder and > conquer. > How exactly did Caesar betray a relationship he never agreed to or promises > he never made to her? Indeed, all he did was stand (and lay) there, being > himself. He kept the one promise that he did make -- that he would do what > was necessary to rule. M'Lila chose to help Xena, which Caesar didn't know > and even Xena had a hard time understanding. M'Lila chooses to sacrifice > herself in front of an arrow aimed at Xena. Whoooah! This was Caesar's murderous Gestapo thugs - oh, sorry, Roman soldiers - who were intent on capturing / killing Xena. M'Lila was trying to protect Xena, not get herself killed. While I can blame some of this on Xena's misjudgement in not operating on Caesar's level and slitting his throat from ear to ear as soon as the ransom was delivered, I blame most of it squarely on the man who gave those thugs their orders - Caesar. > How would any of that have > happened if Xena hadn't kidnapped Caesar in the first place? Well, Xena and Caesar were operating in the same region - you think Caesar would have left Xena alone for long? > Why is it > "fair" for him to take so much of the blame for a trap Xena so willingly > engineered and then walked straight into? Why is it "fair" for her to get > so much of the credit for trying to fix what happened later, when her > pirated loot (much of it probably the big ransom he encouraged her to > demand for him) is what enabled Caesar to launch his initial campaign? > > -- Ife Careful, lfe - you're in danger of making the creep sound like he might've turned into Mahatma Gandhi if not for Xena's bad example. ;) I just don't like ruthless military dictators who want to rule the world. Caesar, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler..... cr ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 00:29:30 -1000 (HST) From: "Jackie M. Young" Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] DVDs in general On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:28:24 -0400, "Cheryl Ande" wrote: >I think perhaps we are being just a bit over critical. Xena 1 again was >filmed on 16mm film and it will be grainy. Season 2 looks better but we >are still going from an analog source to a digital, I believe. - --;=) *Buuuuttttt*......we're *Xena fans*--we're *supposed* to be critical!!! ;=P LOL And maybe god just meant us to stick with analog....?? ;) >Anyway remember only God is perfect and She made the ardvark. So perhaps >we will have to live with the Xena imperfection and hope that Anchor Bay >will start doing its own transfers soon - --Needless to say, all imperfections eventually have to be accepted or corrected. I, personally, would rather have them corrected...;) And who can say if the transfers by Anchor Bay will be any better than Davis-Panzer's?? ;=/ *Sigh*, ;( - --Jackie ****************************************************** * Proud to have the same birthday as Lucy Lawless! * * * * "I think New Zealand geographically comes from * * ... Hawai'i." --Lucy Lawless, Late Show, 4/9/96 * * * * JACKIE YOUNG, JYOUNG@LAVA.NET * * * ****************************************************** ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:11:17 -0700 From: "Creation (Sharon Delaney)" Subject: [chakram-refugees] Xena 2004 calendars To all who have been asking, I just posted the covers and sample pages from all three calendars -- the photo calendar, the Xena Scrolls calendar and the tearaway calendar. They can be seen on the fan club page at http://www.creationent.com/outback/fanclubs/index.html The photo calendar is the same style as previous years. One large photo on top and three smaller ones on the bottom. There is also a link to all the images from this calendar on the fan club page. There are tributes to Amazons, Sacrifice and bad influences along with outtakes, comedy, wet month -- check out Gabrielle in the water chamber with a demon hand on her face! June is my favorite shot. It's fighting month and the top photo is the back of Xena as she charges up the hill in Helicon. It's such a cool action shot, hair all wild and tangled, hand grabbing for the chakram. The Xena Scrolls is an episodic calendar. The photos are grouped so that each month covers one-half of a season. There are four photos on top and three along the bottom. I tried to find pivotal moment and guests to illustrate each half a season. I love the little silhouette of Xena, Gabrielle and Argo that is next to the month name As soon as the other pages are clear, I'll post them. The tearaway desk calendar has 366 b&w photos -- it's a leap year I spent Memorial Day weekend trying to find as many as possible that had never been seen before. Those photos usually have post-its on them that say, "cleared for newsletter #21 not used." I laid them out so that there are 1-4 images of each episode, in air date order. Friend In Need ended up in the middle of Oct. With more days to fill, I did "fighting" pics, "Argo," "guests," and any other topic I could come up with to group photos. All three calendars are in for approval. I'll post updates as they go through production. And thanks for all the kind words we've received about the calendars over the years :) Sharon Official Xena Fan Club ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:13:29 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Miss Amphipolis & Destiny In a message dated 8/1/03 2:59:46 AM Central Daylight Time, cr@orcon.net.nz writes: On Friday 01 August 2003 09:16, IfeRae@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/31/03 3:38:33 AM Central Daylight Time, > cr@orcon.net.nz writes: > > << I have this odd > concept of fairness or justice which makes me feel that, in any given > situation, the blame should be apportioned most to those who are most at > fault for creating it - and this is frequently someone other than Xena. > And > the credit should go to those who do most to fix things - which frequently > is > Xena. >> Now you are misapplying my general remark up there to a specific instance that *I* did not choose to apply it to - viz, Xena's encounter with Caesar in 'Destiny'. Maybe I was a bit ambiguous in my post, I don't know.>> Oh, sorry, then. We'd been talking about blame, Caesar, M'Lila, Destiny, so I thought you meant that as an example of the fairness thing. > Um, okay. Let's see .... Xena was on a pirating mission when *she* > captured Caesar. She saves him from being killed because *she* senses he > may be worth more gold alive. *She* is drawn to him because of his > sterling qualities (which will later nearly get her killed). No, she's drawn to him because of his self-confidence and arrogance. Not sterling qualities, IMO. What later nearly gets her killed is his treachery and deception. Maybe pardonable in the circumstances if you want to take his side, but still not what one normally calls 'stirling qualities'. >> LOL! That was another of my misguided tongue-in-cheek remarks. I was underscoring that she was drawn to the same *not* so great qualities that she herself exhibited. You said you loved my sarcasm, so I threw a little in. But it won't do any good, if you don't know I'm doing it. Maybe I'll put a "JK" for "just kidding" in there. *If * I can remember. (BTW, that was a "NotK," as my brain is not very dependable lately.) << Of course all this rather calls Xena's judgement into question for sparing the wretch in the first place. >> Actually, I thought that was an excellent move on Pirate Xena's part -- discerning that he was probably worth added booty alive. It was the falling for him that wasn't very bright. > How exactly did Caesar betray a relationship he never agreed to or promises > he never made to her? Indeed, all he did was stand (and lay) there, being > himself. He kept the one promise that he did make -- that he would do what > was necessary to rule. M'Lila chose to help Xena, which Caesar didn't know > and even Xena had a hard time understanding. M'Lila chooses to sacrifice > herself in front of an arrow aimed at Xena. Whoooah! This was Caesar's murderous Gestapo thugs - oh, sorry, Roman soldiers - who were intent on capturing / killing Xena. M'Lila was trying to protect Xena, not get herself killed. >> M'Lila was a wild card Caesar didn't know about. While I doubt M'Lila was suicidal, she saw the arrow being aimed at Xena and had to know that throwing herself in front of it could be fatal. Maybe "sacrificed her body" would be more accurate? << While I can blame some of this on Xena's misjudgement in not operating on Caesar's level and slitting his throat from ear to ear as soon as the ransom was delivered, I blame most of it squarely on the man who gave those thugs their orders - Caesar. >> Well, to be fair to Pirate Xena, I didn't get the impression she was at that point someone who renegged on a deal or slit folks' throats for the heck of it. If Ceasar hadn't insulted that guard, his life probably wouldn't have been imperiled anyway. All Xena knew was that he was an important person with big plans. There was no reason for her to kill him or suspect he'd end up using her as he did (e.g., making her his victim). Indeed, if she suspected they might bump heads one day, she'd have probably looked forward to the challenge, never expecting she'd be so outclassed. > How would any of that have > happened if Xena hadn't kidnapped Caesar in the first place? Well, Xena and Caesar were operating in the same region - you think Caesar would have left Xena alone for long? >> And why was Xena operating in that region? Because she was pirating. Maybe she was financing an army to protect her homeland, but it's not like she was out taking orphans on a charity cruise. > Why is it > "fair" for him to take so much of the blame for a trap Xena so willingly > engineered and then walked straight into? Why is it "fair" for her to get > so much of the credit for trying to fix what happened later, when her > pirated loot (much of it probably the big ransom he encouraged her to > demand for him) is what enabled Caesar to launch his initial campaign? > > -- Ife Careful, lfe - you're in danger of making the creep sound like he might've turned into Mahatma Gandhi if not for Xena's bad example. ;)>> I didn't say Xena "made" Caesar, no more than Caesar "made" Xena. My point above is that Xena is particularly responsible for her own betrayal. I've acknowledged that she was young and much less experienced than Caesar. I also believe she acted genuinely in her dealings with him. Neverthless, she spun a fantasy scenario in her head, used her own power and assets to seduce her victim (which Caesar was at the time, regardless of future events) into being her partner in that scenario. She didn't care what conquering with him meant, as long as she got what she wanted. She believed they'd reached an agreement, when all Caesar did was smile and clearly state his own goals. She believed what she wanted to believe, with little support from Caesar. If her scenario became a web that trapped her, Caesar can't take all the blame for doing what he could to help her get stuck in it. << I just don't like ruthless military dictators who want to rule the world. Caesar, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler..... >> ...and Xena. No one leads without followers who buy into whatever the leader is offering. No one gets that kind of power without tapping into other people's fears and/or hopes. I blame the leader, but I can't absolve those who aid in the misuse of power with their support or their silence. I hold both responsible. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. 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