From: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org (chakram-refugees-digest) To: chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Subject: chakram-refugees-digest V3 #211 Reply-To: chakram-refugees@smoe.org Sender: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-chakram-refugees-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk chakram-refugees-digest Sunday, July 27 2003 Volume 03 : Number 211 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 ["Mark B." Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 IfeRae@aol.com wrote: >> > > Same here. Before I got on discussion lists, I saw the show through only one > set of eyes. Now, I see it through so many different eyes. No matter how > many times I watch an ep, there's something "fresh" that I got from someone > else. I may keep some of the same conclusions, but it forces me to understand > better how I got there and opens me up to other conclusions. > > I've got to agree very much here. When I first started watching the series, I [being a guy] was looking strictly at the surface action/adventure. When I got on Chakram [and now Chakram-refugees] it opened a totally different window for me. Like you said, there is always something "fresh" to see. A perfect example of this is when 'Bitter Suite' first aired. While the music an sets were very different, I was initially totally lost regarding the tarot cards references [never got into that]. Now, after many, many viewings and absorbing all the information and POVs provided by others on the list, that ep has become one of my favorites. Mark ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 17:37:02 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 In a message dated 7/25/2003 5:45:40 PM Central Daylight Time, sgitzou@periaktoi.gr writes: > I thought the actress was > wonderful. > > I thought the character she played had almost as many flaws as Xena. > > > >-- Ife > > > > The actress played excellent her role. In my opinion the character is bad > not the actress. I mean, come on, she fooled Xena not only in present but in > past too. > Let's play our game, Ife, I' ve given you the key. Watch again the FIN and > figure out if it feets with your opinion! > You mean that Akemi had flaws? That she was "bad" because she was so good in her manipulations? Um, aren't we already agreed on that? Am I missing something? - -- Ife (who's not always the quickest at "getting" things) ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:11:21 EDT From: IfeRae@aol.com Subject: Re: [chakram-refugees] Friend In Need Part 2 In a message dated 7/26/2003 2:22:55 AM Central Daylight Time, mab961@satx.rr.com writes: > When I first started watching the > series, I [being a guy] was looking strictly at the surface > action/adventure. When I got on Chakram [and now Chakram-refugees] it > opened a totally different window for me. Well, I'm a woman, and I have to say I was initially interested in Xena as an independent, risk-taking (and, yes, butt-kicking) woman with flaws and a dedication to be the best in multiple arenas. I didn't recognize or become interested in Gabrielle or the relationship until I got online. I've read so many others say how different fans opened up whole new perspectives. While I'll always love Xena for herself, I know without a doubt that I wouldn't have gotten so much from the show or remain so obsessed, if not for people with sometimes polar opposite views. As for the male posters, many offer insights into aspects I have little patience for -- like military strategy, geography, or the technical "reality" of physical "laws" in the Xenaverse. It's also heartening for me to see them embrace the subtext and be able to identify with qualities in Xena or even Gabrielle. This was underscored for me by the male directors (on the bonus Best Buy S1 DVD) who obviously loved this opportunity to do action with drama and "heart." I will never again assume ordinary male viewers are as narrow-minded and stuck on themselves as the majority of men who determine what will "sell" seem to be. XWP demonstrated that such stereotyping does both men and women a disservice. - -- Ife ========================================================= This has been a message to the chakram-refugees list. To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@smoe.org with "unsubscribe chakram-refugees" in the message body. Contact meth@smoe.org with any questions or problems. ========================================================= ------------------------------ End of chakram-refugees-digest V3 #211 **************************************